[Greenverse - Major Revisions] Part 1: Cosmology (Tier 1 upgrade) - Accepted

[Rutæhh]

O*tsiders trying to get into 1-A with the fakest R>f on the wiki:

 

[Udlmaster]

How did the lower-dimensional one reach reality, otherwise without a mechanic that's an antifeat

The lower dimensions have travellers who can enter higher dimensions like how a dozen characters we have enter R>F planes. As we are directly told, just because they travelled up the dimensions doesn't change the fact that they're not even real to the beings who occupy the Dimension.

The higher-dimensional one seems like the being itself manifested, rather than manifesting an avatar through which to act upon reality or what have you, and that's an antifeat

It's an Avatar. The same language is used for Stack!

Klatu, the Alien from Dimension X…Thinks he’s so big time, just because he’s downloading his consciousness
from another reality…I could tell you a few things about that pokey little body he’s chosen to inhabit…

If you're downloading yourself, it's not your true body. When I download a file, I don't have the original.

I should note, once again, I ran all this past Ultima like a few months ago and he agreed it was 1-A and a real R>F difference.

O*tsiders trying to get into 1-A with the fakest R>f on the wiki:

Me when I lie.

 

[Deonment]

The lower dimensions have travellers who can enter higher dimensions like how a dozen characters we have enter R>F planes. As we are directly told, just because they travelled up the dimensions doesn't change the fact that they're not even real to the beings who occupy the Dimension.

The issue here is that when we have characters go up or down the R>F hierarchy, we require them to A)Have the help of a character higher up on the stack or B)Have some non-linear factor that'd let them reach said point (ie enlightenment) that doesn't imply the addition of lesser powers to breach the realm of higher powers
The fact that they can simply travel upwards is an issue at all to begin with, let alone the fact that they can exist in there without an avatar (though they don't seem to be doing so if they exist within the third dimension as a result of downloading their consciousness, my first point still applies), especially with how they are apparently still not as real as the 3rd dimension in that scenario anyways, just as how 1-A beings can't exist in non 1-A space, and non 1-A being can't exist in 1-A space, the same principle applies to baseline reality and more fictional states of being

It's an Avatar. The same language is used for Stack!
If you're downloading yourself, it's not your true body. When I download a file, I don't have the original.

Sure that works, but the above still needs to be responded to

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

@Rutæhh

Do you want this to be closed since it's been accepted?

Just make sure you apply the changes to the Cosmology ratings.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

@Rutæhh

Do you want this to be closed since it's been accepted?

Just make sure you apply the changes to the Cosmology ratings.

Don't we need three votes?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Don't we need three votes?

Only really notable versus need three votes, two is enough for normal ones.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Only really notable versus need three votes, two is enough for normal ones.

I'm not sure I'm following. Greenverse isn't particularly a notable verse, yes, but this is still a controversial thread. And controversial topics generally require three staff votes.

Otherwise, my Shadow Fight thread would have been closed the moment you gave your input.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I'm not sure I'm following. Greenverse isn't particularly a notable verse, yes, but this is still a controversial thread. And controversial topics generally require three staff votes.

Otherwise, my Shadow Fight thread would have been closed the moment you gave your input.

Mb, I thought this was a Cosmology update, was thinking of this one; https://vsbattles.com/threads/greenverse-major-revisions-part-1-cosmology.181154

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Mb, I thought this was a Cosmology update, was thinking of this one; https://vsbattles.com/threads/greenverse-major-revisions-part-1-cosmology.181154

This is, a cosmology update, sire SpaceMan...

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This is, a cosmology update, SpaceMan...

Nvm, you can wait for three if you want, forgot about the Tier 1 rule.

 

[Rutæhh]

Bit confused here. I can apply the changes now or do I still need to wait?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Bit confused here. I can apply the changes now or do I still need to wait?

One more staff member, that's mb.

 

[Udlmaster]

A)Have the help of a character higher up on the stack

We don't know exactly how the Psychenauts appeared into the Higher level, it's never said that it's an ability that anyone can have (for example, John has only gone to higher ones with his gift which is from Lilith who is beyond reality entirely).

Every time someone does want to go to a higher level in the verse they need help from another entity who is that powerful, the main examples we're given when the group has to travel into the Chronoflow is Father Time himself, who is all of Time; The Lord of Thorns who is possibly the single most powerful being in Creation (not counting things outside Creation like the Shimmering Planes or Afterlives) and Posedonus (yes really) who's a power and a domination due to being a worshipped God. The Gods also transcendental in nature if you were wondering.

The only other time anyone tries to go into a higher plane is when John summons an Angel, and that was just the Angel responding to the call and that was described as this:

Dead Boy and Julien both had their eyes squeezed shut now, beads of sweat standing out on their strained faces. I kept my eyes open. One of us had to, and I was more used to Seeing the unseen realms. I still kept my mental barriers firmly in place. There were things none of us could afford to see, if we wished to remain in the mortal world. The glory of the shimmering plains is not for mortals. By now we could all feel Something approaching, from a direction we all instinctively recognised but couldn’t identify. It felt like above, in all senses of the word. Something was coming into our world, Something impossibly large and powerful, downloading itself into a mortal frame that wouldn’t blow all the fuses in our merely human minds.

It’s up to the Nightside to save itself, if it can. I am bending the rules to help you, John Taylor, and I will not do so again. Good luck. And don’t call this number again.

(Also I just remembered this statement also uses the same "download" phrase and as it says, it's taking a limited form to not instantly destroy John and the others)

So going by what the verse has shown in every instance of people traversing or being sent to Higher planes requires a benefactor from a higher dimension or with higher dimensional abilities, it does meet the requirements, it's just that we're not told what the Lower-D Psychenauts used but it could have been deals with Angels or the Fallen or maybe a Transient being or such, but we're just not told what.

B)Have some non-linear factor that'd let them reach said point (ie enlightenment) that doesn't imply the addition of lesser powers to breach the realm of higher powers

Yeah, the examples we're given for every single Higher reality entity is that they are untouchable once they're in. They're treated as very Cthulhu mythos in that way.

The Outsiders are described as unstoppable if they were to be able to enter the Nightside and that they will kill every living thing in Creation.

"The kind of door we’ve done everything but barricade and nail shut from this side. You know the kind of dimensions I’m talking about, John. Where Things from Outside have been waiting for millennia, just for a chance to force their way in and destroy every living thing in creation. Do I really need to say the Names?”

“Better not,” I said. “You never know what might be listening."

And this is how John goes onto describe them:

“They’re so different from us they’re beyond simple labels like Good and Evil. Those are human beliefs, human concepts. They’re bigger than that, beyond that, monstrous beyond anything we can imagine because our concept of evil isn’t big enough to encompass the things they do. We call them Outsiders because they’re outside anything we can understand or accept: outside morality, or sanity, maybe even Life or Death.”

Sure that works, but the above still needs to be responded to

Hopefully that's explained how the series does itself align with the standards of the Wiki

 

[Deonment]

Hopefully that's explained how the series does itself align with the standards of the Wiki

Yeah, that works, showcases that there are mechanisms they could utilize to reach those higher/lower levels and whatnot

 

[Rutæhh]

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[Rutæhh]

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[Rutæhh]

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[Rutæhh]

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

ActuallySpaceMan makes sense to me.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Kudos to the OP. Now, make the Outside High 1-A and God 0!

 

[Rutæhh]

Kudos to the OP.

thanks man

Now, make the Outside High 1-A and God 0!

dont worry big bro, ill make it come true

anyways I'll apply the changes needed.

 

[Rutæhh]

applied the changes having this thread closed.

thanks for participating and all your contributions.