Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Nonynho]

i mean ur the first EVER to say hakari is top 3 (5 with modulo)

What can i say, he's very close to being that guy!
Though i concede Hakari > Dabura was due to misconceptions of mine, i gotta see more to see if i'm convinced Hakari > Kenjaku isn't true

 

[Sus]

hakari's problem is that he's all defense little offense (yeah he is physically strong but we saw how useful it is against some top tier)

 

[Nonynho]

hakari's problem is that he's all defense little offense (yeah he is physically strong but we saw how useful it is against some top tier)

Hakari's solution is because things aren't under his control, outside Causality manip's Ctrl+Z, INFINITE ce with his being weirdly "rough" and hurting Kenjaku even more and being equally tremendously skilled CQCwise while his RCT's a tad bit better and faster

 

[Sus]

Hakari's solution is because things aren't under his control, outside Causality manip's Ctrl+Z,

risky and will definitely prioritize getting jackpot over using ut

INFINITE ce

infinite stamina is cool but that only lasts for as long as he can maintain jackpot

with his being weirdly "rough" and hurting Kenjaku even more and being equally tremendously skilled CQCwise while his RCT's a tad bit better and faster

ganesha likely bypasses immortality but we aren't sure

 

[Nonynho]

infinite stamina is cool but that only lasts for as long as he can maintain jackpot

Subsequent jackpot(s) are not unimaginable for Hakari and sustaining 8 minutes and 22 seconds against Hakari is not easy, and we shouldn't forget that he's not a pushover or stupid while not in Jackpot

ganesha likely bypasses immortality but we aren't sure

let's presume it doesn't?
Then Hakari seeing how skilled he is (if he doesn't just know since Kenjaku's a famous mf) just has to defend his neck/head area, which Kenjaku sees very early that is the only area where he could end him by wrecking, since he'll notice very shortly that no other hits matter much

 

[Sus]

Subsequent jackpot(s) are not unimaginable for Hakari

more than likely, actually, hakari does have "INCREDIBLE LUCK!!!" after all

and we shouldn't forget that he's not a pushover or stupid while not in Jackpot

true but he admitted he couldn't beat uraume, someone weaker than kenjaku

let's presume it doesn't?

okay, i don't like assumptions anyway

Then Hakari seeing how skilled he is (if he doesn't just know since Kenjaku's a famous mf) just has to defend his neck/head area, which Kenjaku sees very early that is the only area where he could end him by wrecking, since he'll notice very shortly that no other hits matter much

kenjaku has prior knowledge on culling game players with the exception of yuki since her technique was kept as a secret by jujutsu high

do u remember how he killed hazenoki?

 

[Nonynho]

Sukuna canonically helping my boy's slander

 

[Nonynho]

true but he admitted he couldn't beat uraume, someone weaker than kenjaku

oh s*, i don't remember that

do u remember how he killed hazenoki?

nope

 

[Sus]

oh s*, i don't remember that


nope

kenjaku has a curse that he used to block hazenokis brain from healing his body

this would immobilize and kill hakari

 

[Nonynho]

kenjaku has a curse that he used to block hazenokis brain from healing his body

this would immobilize and kill hakari

By the time Kenjaku uses that, he'd have to realize Hakari's ability's based on RCT, and by that time, Hakari's already in Jackpot and can just kill the curse

 

[Sus]

do yall think domain gravity + maximum uzumaki can kill base maho?

 

[Nonynho]

do yall think domain gravity + maximum uzumaki can kill base maho?

maybe, but that'd imply that was Kenjaku's opening move ig

 

[Sus]

maybe, but that'd imply that was Kenjaku's opening move ig

it isn't, but he should know of mahoraga

anyway i personally don't think its enough

 

[Zabazab]

hakari's problem is that he's all defense little offense (yeah he is physically strong but we saw how useful it is against some top tier)

This is a myth that has been sparked by the Hakari agenda. Hakari's physicals are not stated to be particularly exceptional. Yuji eats Hakari's CE-infused punches without even defending and gets back up. Charles of all people tears through Hakari like he's made of tissue paper. Kashimo severely injured Hakari numerous times with simple strikes. Uraume was blasting holes through Hakari.

His actual wincon against competent sorcerers (usually 1st Grade and above) is outlasting his opponent, by a combination of his painful CE trait and his Jackpot's automatic RCT. This strategy isn't usually very good though, and with luck he tends to, at most, stalemate. The other 3 Heavy Hitters kick his ass, for instance. I wouldn't even put him in the top 10 because of how few opponents he can actually defeat even if there are many he can fight.

 

[Sus]

i will sound biased but in fiction characters with busted regen usually get torn apart by attacks far weaker than them

take ban from the seven deadly sins for example

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Dawg the only member of Jujutsu Tech who would beat Kenjaku without sneaking him is Yuta and that's only because Rika ate Hana's arm.

And Hakari is one of the guys who wouldn't beat Kenjaku even if he did sneak him.

Insane Yuta glaze. He gets cooked with or without Hanas or anyone technique. He ain't beating even weakened Kenny without sneak attack

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No one needs to bring up Gojo vs anyone outside the top 3 because it's redundent to say things like "Gojo beats Kenjaku" or "Sukuna beats Yuta" or "Dabura beats Yuji"

Stick to Rezero

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

i will sound biased but in fiction characters with busted regen usually get torn apart by attacks far weaker than them

take ban from the seven deadly sins for example

You can't be serious about this.
JP Hakari was slightly superior to Base Kashimo physically. If you actually read the fight you can clearly see that. At this point Zab should stop scaling JJK inverse. Bro got worsts takes than Arkenis.

 

[Sus]

You can't be serious about this.
JP Hakari was slightly superior to Base Kashimo physically.

i didn't say otherwise, im mainly saying hakari getting torn apart by someone like charles isn't an anti feat

If you actually read the fight you can clearly see that. At this point Zab should stop scaling JJK inverse. Bro got worsts takes than Arkenis.

i don't have to make takes because my fav proved his place at the top 3 spot

 

[Zabazab]

Insane Yuta glaze. He gets cooked with or without Hanas or anyone technique. He ain't beating even weakened Kenny without sneak attack

Kenjaku would instantly die to Jacob's Ladder because of his technique being extinguished, making him unable to move or use jujutsu. There is no way for Kenjaku to counter this. Btw the members of jujutsu tech who could beat Kenjaku by sneaking him are Maki and Hana.

 

[Keshirou]

Yuta > Kenjaku in 2026
...

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

i didn't say otherwise, im mainly saying hakari getting torn apart by someone like charles isn't an anti feat

Thats done by piercing attack + Hakari knew he hit the jackpot so he didn't put up any resistance

i don't have to make takes because my fav proved his place at the top 3 spot

I'm not saying he is top 3. I'm just saying he ain't any Weaker than Yuta.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Kenjaku would instantly die to Jacob's Ladder because of his technique being extinguished, making him unable to move or use jujutsu.

Headcanon

There is no way for Kenjaku to counter this. Btw the members of jujutsu tech who could beat Kenjaku by sneaking him are Maki and Hana.

Another headcanon. It's literally mentioned Maki would have failed. Yuta needed Todo's help and it was still close

 

[Sus]

I'm not saying he is top 3. I'm just saying he ain't any Weaker than Yuta.

was talking about yuta and kenjaku (maho victims)

 

[Sus]

water found in lake

 

[Sus]

even if anyone could have 10S alongside their own technique, only yorozu gojo and maybe kenjaku are taming it

 

[Zabazab]

Headcanon
Another headcanon.

This is not an argument. "You came to a conclusion on a hypothetical scenario based on information in the manga" that's what power scaling is. It's also headcanon to say Jacob's Ladder wouldn't kill Kenjaku, you realize that, don't you? Don't post such substanceless messages, especially if you're replying to me. It's bothersome.

It's literally mentioned Maki would have failed. Yuta needed Todo's help and it was still close

You seem to be thinking I'm specifically referring to the situation they were in during the Shinjuku Showdown arc in the manga. I never said that. It's also never said Maki would fail, just that it was too risky without Boogie Woogie as support, or Rika to clean up the berserk Cursed Spirits.

And Yuta needed Boogie Woogie because, again, the specific situation where Yuta had to conserve both 5 Minute Mode and Authentic Mutual Love, meaning Yuta was required to kill Kenjaku without Copy. If he could use Copy freely, Jacob's Ladder would end the fight instantly due to Kenjaku losing control of Geto's body and being incapable of activating Cursed Spirit Manipulation.

 

[Sus]

we need a Q&A where gege says JL is doodoo caca

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is not an argument. "You came to a conclusion on a hypothetical scenario based on information in the manga" that's what power scaling is. It's also headcanon to say Jacob's Ladder wouldn't kill Kenjaku, you realize that, don't you? Don't post such substanceless messages, especially if you're replying to me. It's bothersome.

Are you using chatgpt or something to reply?

Brother, Kenny isn't affected by CT Burnout or by DA being applied to his own body, which is basically power nullification similar to JL. Yeah, it's headcanon that JL works on his brain's CT. He probably has some Binding Vow or some barrier stuff which that protects him from being affected by the CT's power nullifying mechanism, either way Angel technique doesn't null brain itself it only affects the outer layer of the body so far that's. If it was able to target inner stuff Sukuna would have died since it would have erased the cursed objects completely which was not the case. It only damaged outer layers of his body. If you actually read JJK rather than watching reels, you probably would've known that.

You seem to be thinking I'm specifically referring to the situation they were in during the Shinjuku Showdown arc in the manga. I never said that. It's also never said Maki would fail, just that it was too risky without Boogie Woogie as support, or Rika to clean up the berserk Cursed Spirits.

And Yuta needed Boogie Woogie because, again, the specific situation where Yuta had to conserve both 5 Minute Mode and Authentic Mutual Love, meaning Yuta was required to kill Kenjaku without Copy. If he could use Copy freely, Jacob's Ladder would end the fight instantly due to Kenjaku losing control of Geto's body and being incapable of activating Cursed Spirit Manipulation.

It doesn't matter. Your point was that Maki could sneak up on Kenny, which is nearly impossible. Even a weakened Kenny had enough speed to react to and almost defend himself against Yuta. If it weren't for Todo, Yuta wouldn't have landed that attack.

In a normal scenario, Maki isn't sneaking up on anything. Kenny would easily detect the SSK before she could get close enough to land a sneak attack on him.

 

[Sus]

idk why people reject a simple thing the story made clear

no one stood a chance against kenjaku in a 1v1

and i fully understand if you think yuta fairly beats him, but one shot/no diff? we might be reading different mangas

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

idk why people reject a simple thing the story made clear

no one stood a chance against kenjaku in a 1v1

and i fully understand if you think yuta fairly beats him, but one shot/no diff? we might be reading different mangas

If it was easy to kill Kenny with JL they would have sent angel lol she has enough range to erase cursed spirits too. They specially needed to sneak him to kill. Idk how anyone can think JL will one shot Kenny when narratively it's made it clear he has back up for CT powernull stuff and Angel never once indicated she can one shot Kenny with JL. They needed to plan different things to sneak him.

 

[Sus]

bumass angel cant one shot anyone if we are being honest, who came up with this JL wank?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

bumass angel cant one shot anyone if we are being honest, who came up with this JL wank?

Read Zab messages above

 

[Zabazab]

Brother, Kenny isn't affected by CT Burnout or by DA being applied to his own body, which is basically power nullification similar to JL.

The line you've drawn between these effects is false. Burnout and Domain Amplification are not in any way comparable to Technique Extinguishment, let alone the higher output of Jacob's Ladder. Burnout doesn't even neutralize your cursed technique, it just becomes ridiculously difficult to use. And Domain Amplification "neutralizes" cursed techniques by allowing the opposing cursed technique to flow into the """space""" where the sure-hit technique would normally be.

This is not at all similar to the three anti-curse curses in JJK (BR, ISoH, JL).

He probably has some Binding Vow or some barrier stuff which that protects him from being affected by the CT's power nullifying mechanism

My previous argument about these not being the same as technique nullification applies here. And beyond that, Technique Extinguishment nullifies all jujutsu, the likes of barrier techniques included.

Angel technique doesn't null brain itself it only affects the outer layer of the body so far that's. If it was able to target inner stuff Sukuna would have died since it would have erased the cursed objects completely

The only reason Jacob's Ladder harms Incarnations is because its effect breaks down the cursed object inside them, and Sukuna was gonna die if not for his Oscar skills and Yuta turning off the technique to save Megumi respectively. Also, all jujutsu ultimately stems from the brain, so obviously Technique Extinguishment is working on it. I hope the irony of you so confidently accusing me of not reading isn't lost on you.

It doesn't matter. Your point was that Maki could sneak up on Kenny, which is nearly impossible. Even a weakened Kenny had enough speed to react to and almost defend himself against Yuta.

It does matter, because the looming "We gotta jump Sukuna" is a MASSIVE deal that influences every decision. And speed does not really matter for a sneak attack, you won't react to something you can't sense coming. SSK is only needed for a fight, not a sneak.

Are you using chatgpt or something to reply?

Are three incredibly-short paragraphs so awe-inspiring you think I'd need a chatbot to manage it?

If it was easy to kill Kenny with JL they would have sent angel lol she has enough range to erase cursed spirits too.

Hana was not to participate in combat due to being disabled and incapable of cursed energy reinforcement, she was only to act a final card to be played in a worst-case scenario if even the Yu-jo plan failed, to try and save Megumi (Hana's love)/destroy Sukuna (Angel's nemesis).

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The line you've drawn between these effects is false. Burnout and Domain Amplification are not in any way comparable to Technique Extinguishment, let alone the higher output of Jacob's Ladder. Burnout doesn't even neutralize your cursed technique, it just becomes ridiculously difficult to use. And Domain Amplification "neutralizes" cursed techniques by allowing the opposing cursed technique to flow into the """space""" where the sure-hit technique would normally be.

This is not at all similar to the three anti-curse curses in JJK (BR, ISoH, JL).

I never said anything about DA allowing an opponent's technique to flow into its space. I'm talking about DA preventing the user from using their own CT, which has nothing to do with what you're saying.

Besides, it was never shown, implied, or assumed anywhere in the series that JL can outright end Kenny. The only point you might be right about is CT burnout.

My previous argument about these not being the same as technique nullification applies here. And beyond that, Technique Extinguishment nullifies all jujutsu, the likes of barrier techniques included.

She can only nullify what is within her scope, not something beyond it. She only nullifies barriers that she can directly access; she wasn't nullifying the entire Culling Game.

All she did was create holes in the barriers and move around the other colonies through those openings.

The only reason Jacob's Ladder harms Incarnations is because its effect breaks down the cursed object inside them, and Sukuna was gonna die if not for his Oscar skills and Yuta turning off the technique to save Megumi respectively. Also, all jujutsu ultimately stems from the brain, so obviously Technique Extinguishment is working on it. I hope the irony of you so confidently accusing me of not reading isn't lost on you.

It normally has burning effects. It isn't nullifying cursed objects when they're merged with other people.

Besides, Kenny isn't even a reincarnated sorcerer. He has an active CT that allows him to replace and control Geto's body. JL works in a similar way to DA: when DA is active, users can't use their CTs, and when JL is active, opponents can't use their CTs either.

Once they escape the light, they can immediately resume using their techniques. It isn't nullifying the brain itself. The light only nullifies what it can directly touch.

So, at best, it temporarily prevents the external use of a CT rather than permanently nullifying its source.

It does matter, because the looming "We gotta jump Sukuna" is a MASSIVE deal that influences every decision. And speed does not really matter for a sneak attack, you won't react to something you can't sense coming. SSK is only needed for a fight, not a sneak.

Speed does matter, and besides, non-CE weapons aren't doing anything to Kenny. She isn't physically one-shotting him either.

She definitely needs the SSK to kill any heavy-hitter-level opponent.

Are three incredibly-short paragraphs so awe-inspiring you think I'd need a chatbot to manage it?

Yes

Hana was not to participate in combat due to being disabled and incapable of cursed energy reinforcement, she was only to act a final card to be played in a worst-case scenario if even the Yu-jo plan failed, to try and save Megumi (Hana's love)/destroy Sukuna (Angel's nemesis).

You say JL can instantly kills Kenny, but if that were the case, CE reinforcement wouldn't matter since Kenny would be cooked instantly.

She also has a ranged attack with JL, so the cursed spirits wouldn't have escaped either. Again, that doesn't require CE reinforcement on herself.

Yuta was needed to deal with Sukuna, yet they still sent him to sneak up on Kenny rather than relying on your hypothetical scenario of JL working on Kenny, which was never implied or assumed anywhere in the series.

As for Hana being the final card, that means nothing. She entered the fight at the end and had enough time, unlike Yuta, who was needed from the beginning to fight Sukuna.

Now you're just making up reasons for why Hana wasn't sent to kill Kenny. It's simple: her technique wasn't enough. That's all there is to it. There's no deeper motive here; you're just making things up.

 

[Sus]

This is not at all similar to the four anti-curse curses in JJK (BR, ISoH, JL).

big raga turned himself into a walking ISoH fr

 

[Sus]

?

 

[Ozcantabak]

Curse Naoya beating Toji or no ?

 

[Sus]

holy headcanon
"his weakness is combo attacks" wrap it up, we have seen him adapt simultaneously to various phenomena in every single fight he has been in

sukuna: adapted to shrine and using cursed energy

yorozu: adapted to liquid metal and insects

gojo: adapted to infinity, blue, red and possibly black flash all at once

 

[Sus]

Curse Naoya beating Toji or no ?

no..? toji has the same precognition as maki and thus one shots him with SSK

toji has even more wincons if he prevents naoya from using PS with ISoH