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Sorry Shin pookie wookie, I'm stealing your flow to wank my own verse. 
As a preface, this will, I reckon, cause LOM to likely be the single highest scaling verse per average character on the wiki.
By that, I mean that everything in the verse will very likely scale to H1A+ at some combat-applicative fundamental aspect. Which sounds, um, understandably ridiculous. But as you’ll see below, it’s functionally the only coherent tier wherein it can be placed.
So I will simply ask here to not ignore the CRT by some pre-supposed absurdity regarding the results. That’s all.
Now, with that, I begin it is apt we continue on with it.
All things in the setting have a numeric grounding: 3 represents all things, multiplicity itself. 2 represents division and duality, particularly the difference between ground (divinity) and grounded (materiality), which therein go on to produce 3. Then 1 represents the Creator, that is, existence itself. Being a category inherently simpler than conceptual division, it is naturally prior to such things. Whereas 0 represents what is prior even to existence, as such it can only be regarded by its absence, so it is “non-existence”, or in other words, “Chaos”.
Alright, so the source of the Universe is non-dual and the condition of existence. That’s fine. It’s nothing really special by itself. But there is a particular thing of notice here: the usage of [unknown] in regard to Chaos. This is very important, because it is directly related to the nature of the objects that ground the Universe; that being the “divinities” mentioned prior.
The Original Creator is all things.
In being all things, it follows that it is also every duality, every conflict, every opposing concept and symbol. And in being as such, it is prone to maximally dividing itself, as it is maximally contradictory. Through this, the creation myth follows:
In dividing itself, it gave birth to the Outer Deities (divinities), whom each embody certain concepts and symbols through their Sefirot. Following that, each notion represented by a particular Great Old One was given rise and determinacy by their particular births. And here, I specify determinacy and not simply just existence, because as can be seen in the scan above, the OC already in a sense created everything, but it remained mixed (undifferentiated) and in absolute chaos because in the concepts/symbols themselves being undifferentiated (as one) in OC, so was everything that was grounded by it. So there is a pretty distinctive relation between the differentiation of OC and the differentiation of materiality itself.
With that then, we now go on to this:
Symbols are intellectual principles. In that, they are beyond lower noetic functions like discursive reasoning and sensory experience and rather than simply being the ground of their particulars, they also act as the ground for the conception and intellection of those same particulars. That being that at the level of Symbolism, its knowledge (truth/meaning) and its being are numerically identical. That is to say, "the knowledge of Life" and the "existence of Life" are the same thing in the "Symbol of Life". Which is why Symbolism is only apprehended via experience and not of anything else.
Because again, at this level, the knowledge of the Symbol is its existence, so in knowing it, you become it, so you experience it.
In certain traditions, especially (Neo)Platonism, the Forms & Expressed Principles (as intellectual principles) transcend discursive reasoning and predication (i.e. the actual reason they are H1A+) by virtue of them not being apprehended by such manners. Since at their level, there is no division between subject (thinker) and object (thought). Which means that if one were to attain [knowledge] of a Form, they would also have to attain its [existence], which is the reason why at such levels, there is a form of unification, or a "becoming one" with them. This is different from, say, sensually perceiving some particular apple, since at that level the knowledge of it and its existence aren't the same thing, so you can attain sense-data of it without unifying into an apple.
And I say all of that... because it is quite literally what happens within LoM:
In turning inwards, one exceeds their own individuality and self, resulting in unification with the Universe itself. In which at that point, in becoming "one" with the object at hand, there is a form of transcendental knowledge attained, wherein one simply "sees" Truth and nothing else. And it is "seeing" and "experiencing" and nothing else, because at this level, there is unity between the subject (the "I"), and the object (the Universe, the Symbolism, the Original Creator). This is precisely the reason why this knowledge is "something only you can understand" (in that, it cannot be conveyed traditionally) and "indescribable" (in that, in being beyond discursive reasoning, it is ineffable in that regard).
And I want to particularly stress out the importance of it being stated that there is no difference between the "I" and the Universal "I" at this level, because a difference between the Ego and the Other would dualize the whole process, making it inevitably impossible to unify object and subject.
Additionally, there is an explicit positing of immediacy as well.
Things are intelligible because the highest intellectual faculty one always remains in attendance to these principles. If it were not so, then one would be incapable of having a conception of anything since such conception or meaning is a derivative of "having seen the principle up there". Which is why procession in theosophy works via a process of reversion into oneself and of turning inwards, simply "leaving behind" the lower faculties of mind. Which again, as can be read in the scans above, is quite literally the exact same thing happening here.
In Symbolism being Truth itself, all intellection comes from a beings immediacy with them. Since everything in fundamentally unified as "one", simply leaving behind obstructions like the self and sensory experience is enough to reverse into them. Which is why achieving divination and truth via something like Tarot Cards is so simple, since it all comes from knowledge within.
This is, by the way, where the aforementioned "unknown" aspect of Chaos comes in.
The Creator (Primordial Chaos), in being the condition for Symbolism to emerge, exists naturally prior to the exemplification of them. As such, in bring prior to such grounds of knowledge, it naturally follows that it is entirely ineffable--transcending names, discursive language and knowledge itself. And this is why, in it becoming "1", i.e. "existence", it divides itself. Because contradictions have no intelligible content (stealing from Platonism again). Since to exist is to be known at some fundamental level, something like a "square circle" has no subsistence since it cannot be known, thus for OC to fulfill its condition of "being", it must divide into intelligible dualities. This is also why Chaos (the unity of contradictions) is nothingness.
I believe, then, that at this point, its become exhaustingly clear what Symbols are: That is, the conditions for intellection themselves. And to re-iterate the short paragraph on Platonic Forms again, this is already High Outerverse level+. All language regarding logical spaces is discursive, and so is all predication in them. When you speak of propositions regarding logical spaces, you pre-suppose these principles for the conception of predicates. Which is to say that when you speak of a derivative apple, you pre-suppose the Form of the apple to ground that conception, and so is done for every other object. This is why Tier 0s don't exist in logical spaces, by the way; because they are the conditions for them, and so, they are prior to them. To say "this T0 exists or doesn't exist in this certain world" is an ontic category error. Same is applied here. (And if you're worried if this is how it works in the wiki or not, you can simply take it with Ultima here)
But now there's probably a question you're asking: Is this not a Tier 0 thread?
Yes, yes it is.
And you might also be wondering: Doesn't the OC clearly have potency considering it continuously divides and unifies? How can it be T0?
Yea it does, which would be a very big problem... if it wasn't for the fact that it's not OC who is gonna actually be T0.
If you'll re-read a certain scan again, there's some very specific language used:
The Creator simply represents the Ultimate/Chaos. But it is not Chaos-as-is, which is a status belonging to what is regarded as the Symbol of Chaos:
When Lumian was fusing with an aspect of the OC (specifically, Mirrored OC), it allowed him to glimpse, through that aforementioned non-discursive knowledge, a fundamental Symbol--the essence of all things.
"This" is what OC embodies. In the same way as all Great Old Ones embody certain Symbol, the OC embodies the most unique and fundamental one of Chaos; that being the ground of procession (separation & unity), of destruction and creation, and of existence. And since it is prior to all of these, it becomes none of these, governing the flow from and to chaos (here speaking of material chaos), governing Genesis (Beginning) and Termination (End):
For after all, Beginning and End are one and the same at this level:
^This is why OC is also called "Primordial Chaos", because within LoM, it literally just means "Beginning End".
Specifically for OC, since it is the harmony between dualities as the Dao itself, it contains both the beginning and the termination of its own activity within itself, as the unity of Yin and Yang (also a cheeky reference as to why the Spirit World spans the past, present & future, and why Symbolism are Primordial Revelations):
Naturally in difference to the Symbol-itself which contains them as purely static and nothing more.
Which therein leads us finally to this:
Beginning represents all possibilities, wherein End contains sublimation. As OC, it represents procession; the exemplification of all things within it into multiplicity. Whereas as the Symbol, they remain truly "one", meaning that all it can be (Beginning) is all it is (End). As such, the Primordial Chaos, in a sense, would lack such potency, making it purely actualized.
So non-duality becomes the Ultimate Truth of all things~
In being both beyond intellectual multiplicity (that is, lower noetic functions), and in being beyond conceptual duality (that is, Yin and Yang), it simply exists as all things, free of distinction.
Oh and just to elaborate, the naming in particular is not an issue. The Symbol and OC can both be called "Primordial Chaos" in the same sense as to how Lumian is called "Calamity itself" even though he only embodies the Symbol of Calamity:
Because at that level, by fully reversing into such Symbolism, you become almost indistinguishable from it. Because at the end of the day, OC and Chaos are one (as are all things); the only difference is that the former represents procession, or in other words, the manifestation of the latter into multiplicity (that is also High 1-A+ by itself btw, if there wasn't enough for for it yet. Iirc, in it being a "Tier 0" but exemplified into multiplicity is what the tier was originally based on, and pretty sure what the standard is still now: T0 is all qualities simpliciter, whereas H1A+ Type 2 is all qualities complex):
With all that's been said, the fundamental Symbol of LoM can only be left with a singular appropriate tier: Boundless.
As a little note, it should be noticed that Chaos is prior to division between universal and particular (division of Astral World and Reality), i.e. Symbolism and Material objects. As such, it is not divisively predicated, as in, it does not utilize anything else as a truthmaker for its being the same way an apple for example would utilize the universal of an apple. Following that, at its level, it is entirely self-predicative and self-sufficient.
Godhood is the indestructible spirit of the Creator within all things.
I know. That's an extremely long scan, so I'll just explain it in very simple terms.
Godhood is spirit and mind of OC and furthermore of the Great Old Ones (the divinities it has divided itself into) that is located within all beings. It is fundamentally an instinct. In being unified with the particular Sefirot/Symbols, what this "Godhood Instinct" represents is based on the very concepts it is based on.
It is a sort of "directionality" that beings possess. In ascending through the Sequences/Emanations, the psyche of the OC and of the particular GOO awakens within beings through the collective subconscious, and thus the instinct of those beings morphs into that same instinct that the Gods possess.
Naturally, that being because marks in the subconscious are formed via experience, the same sort of thing required in the apprehension of Symbols:
But of course, the intellection of humans isn't permanent and they're not going to always be in cogitation to perceive Symbols, so their mental marks aren't either. The Great Old Ones, being minds quite literally derived from the Symbols themselves thusly become eternal--being indelible marks in the sea of subconscious, eventually manifesting in the islands of of consciousness (individual minds) and the spirituality sky (the reflection of spirit in the mind world, since "spirit" is just the outward appearance of the mind, really).
With this then, it becomes even more apparent as to why the OC split up:
Mother Goddess of Depravity represents Reproduction, so her Godhood Instinct is to reproduce. Circle of Inevitability represents Redemption, so its Godhood Instinct is Redemption. And the Creator represents Chaos, the condition for procession (unity & separation), so of course, in maximally embodying that, the Creator's instinct literally becomes procession itself. Thusly, OC becomes maximally chaotic, having an uncontrollable tendency for unity & separation. So in coming closer to the OC, you fuse with it (The Universe) and thus become just as chaotic.
Which is why:
The instinct of the Universe is returning to that primordial origin.
And in doing so, all is erased, even the Creator’s spiritual mark itself. Wherein at that point there will be no distinction in the pure attendance of the Symbol:
Oh yea, that was a bit of a tangent but it's basically just more holistic grounding on it all. In short, Godhood will directly scale to OC, that is, High 1-A+.
It also, funnily enough, directly relates to the first section of the CRT, since the entire reason beings' minds shatter when looking at Godhood is because it explicitly transcends lower noetic activities:
So you literally need to transcend subject-object duality to look at these things lol. Definitely the strongest MM3 on the site for a reason hehehehehe.
Conclusions:
Thanks for reading.
Staff Votes:
@Qawsedf234 (Agree, except Chaos should be H1A+ Type 2 instead of 0)
@ActuallySpaceMan42 (Agree, except Chaos should be H1A+ Type 2 instead of 0)
As a preface, this will, I reckon, cause LOM to likely be the single highest scaling verse per average character on the wiki.
By that, I mean that everything in the verse will very likely scale to H1A+ at some combat-applicative fundamental aspect. Which sounds, um, understandably ridiculous. But as you’ll see below, it’s functionally the only coherent tier wherein it can be placed.
So I will simply ask here to not ignore the CRT by some pre-supposed absurdity regarding the results. That’s all.
Now, with that, I begin it is apt we continue on with it.
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 51)
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 46)
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1071)
All things in the setting have a numeric grounding: 3 represents all things, multiplicity itself. 2 represents division and duality, particularly the difference between ground (divinity) and grounded (materiality), which therein go on to produce 3. Then 1 represents the Creator, that is, existence itself. Being a category inherently simpler than conceptual division, it is naturally prior to such things. Whereas 0 represents what is prior even to existence, as such it can only be regarded by its absence, so it is “non-existence”, or in other words, “Chaos”.
Alright, so the source of the Universe is non-dual and the condition of existence. That’s fine. It’s nothing really special by itself. But there is a particular thing of notice here: the usage of [unknown] in regard to Chaos. This is very important, because it is directly related to the nature of the objects that ground the Universe; that being the “divinities” mentioned prior.
The Original Creator is all things.
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 1369)
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1088)
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1090)
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 441)
In being all things, it follows that it is also every duality, every conflict, every opposing concept and symbol. And in being as such, it is prone to maximally dividing itself, as it is maximally contradictory. Through this, the creation myth follows:
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1171)
In dividing itself, it gave birth to the Outer Deities (divinities), whom each embody certain concepts and symbols through their Sefirot. Following that, each notion represented by a particular Great Old One was given rise and determinacy by their particular births. And here, I specify determinacy and not simply just existence, because as can be seen in the scan above, the OC already in a sense created everything, but it remained mixed (undifferentiated) and in absolute chaos because in the concepts/symbols themselves being undifferentiated (as one) in OC, so was everything that was grounded by it. So there is a pretty distinctive relation between the differentiation of OC and the differentiation of materiality itself.
With that then, we now go on to this:
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 40)
Symbols are intellectual principles. In that, they are beyond lower noetic functions like discursive reasoning and sensory experience and rather than simply being the ground of their particulars, they also act as the ground for the conception and intellection of those same particulars. That being that at the level of Symbolism, its knowledge (truth/meaning) and its being are numerically identical. That is to say, "the knowledge of Life" and the "existence of Life" are the same thing in the "Symbol of Life". Which is why Symbolism is only apprehended via experience and not of anything else.
Because again, at this level, the knowledge of the Symbol is its existence, so in knowing it, you become it, so you experience it.
In certain traditions, especially (Neo)Platonism, the Forms & Expressed Principles (as intellectual principles) transcend discursive reasoning and predication (i.e. the actual reason they are H1A+) by virtue of them not being apprehended by such manners. Since at their level, there is no division between subject (thinker) and object (thought). Which means that if one were to attain [knowledge] of a Form, they would also have to attain its [existence], which is the reason why at such levels, there is a form of unification, or a "becoming one" with them. This is different from, say, sensually perceiving some particular apple, since at that level the knowledge of it and its existence aren't the same thing, so you can attain sense-data of it without unifying into an apple.
And I say all of that... because it is quite literally what happens within LoM:
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 32)
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 32)
In turning inwards, one exceeds their own individuality and self, resulting in unification with the Universe itself. In which at that point, in becoming "one" with the object at hand, there is a form of transcendental knowledge attained, wherein one simply "sees" Truth and nothing else. And it is "seeing" and "experiencing" and nothing else, because at this level, there is unity between the subject (the "I"), and the object (the Universe, the Symbolism, the Original Creator). This is precisely the reason why this knowledge is "something only you can understand" (in that, it cannot be conveyed traditionally) and "indescribable" (in that, in being beyond discursive reasoning, it is ineffable in that regard).
And I want to particularly stress out the importance of it being stated that there is no difference between the "I" and the Universal "I" at this level, because a difference between the Ego and the Other would dualize the whole process, making it inevitably impossible to unify object and subject.
Additionally, there is an explicit positing of immediacy as well.
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 7)
Things are intelligible because the highest intellectual faculty one always remains in attendance to these principles. If it were not so, then one would be incapable of having a conception of anything since such conception or meaning is a derivative of "having seen the principle up there". Which is why procession in theosophy works via a process of reversion into oneself and of turning inwards, simply "leaving behind" the lower faculties of mind. Which again, as can be read in the scans above, is quite literally the exact same thing happening here.
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 1380)
In Symbolism being Truth itself, all intellection comes from a beings immediacy with them. Since everything in fundamentally unified as "one", simply leaving behind obstructions like the self and sensory experience is enough to reverse into them. Which is why achieving divination and truth via something like Tarot Cards is so simple, since it all comes from knowledge within.
This is, by the way, where the aforementioned "unknown" aspect of Chaos comes in.
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1089)
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1090)
The Creator (Primordial Chaos), in being the condition for Symbolism to emerge, exists naturally prior to the exemplification of them. As such, in bring prior to such grounds of knowledge, it naturally follows that it is entirely ineffable--transcending names, discursive language and knowledge itself. And this is why, in it becoming "1", i.e. "existence", it divides itself. Because contradictions have no intelligible content (stealing from Platonism again). Since to exist is to be known at some fundamental level, something like a "square circle" has no subsistence since it cannot be known, thus for OC to fulfill its condition of "being", it must divide into intelligible dualities. This is also why Chaos (the unity of contradictions) is nothingness.
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1091)
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1154)
I believe, then, that at this point, its become exhaustingly clear what Symbols are: That is, the conditions for intellection themselves. And to re-iterate the short paragraph on Platonic Forms again, this is already High Outerverse level+. All language regarding logical spaces is discursive, and so is all predication in them. When you speak of propositions regarding logical spaces, you pre-suppose these principles for the conception of predicates. Which is to say that when you speak of a derivative apple, you pre-suppose the Form of the apple to ground that conception, and so is done for every other object. This is why Tier 0s don't exist in logical spaces, by the way; because they are the conditions for them, and so, they are prior to them. To say "this T0 exists or doesn't exist in this certain world" is an ontic category error. Same is applied here. (And if you're worried if this is how it works in the wiki or not, you can simply take it with Ultima here)
But now there's probably a question you're asking: Is this not a Tier 0 thread?
Yes, yes it is.
And you might also be wondering: Doesn't the OC clearly have potency considering it continuously divides and unifies? How can it be T0?
Yea it does, which would be a very big problem... if it wasn't for the fact that it's not OC who is gonna actually be T0.
If you'll re-read a certain scan again, there's some very specific language used:
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1090)
The Creator simply represents the Ultimate/Chaos. But it is not Chaos-as-is, which is a status belonging to what is regarded as the Symbol of Chaos:
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1118)
When Lumian was fusing with an aspect of the OC (specifically, Mirrored OC), it allowed him to glimpse, through that aforementioned non-discursive knowledge, a fundamental Symbol--the essence of all things.
To elaborate since I don't want pointless discussion on "mitigate its influence." It is not saying that you can somehow "resist" a T0 or something stupid like that. A lot of this stuff has two- or even threefold meanings. In this particular case, it is referring to how in things embodying Chaos at some particular levels--or at least coming from it--their instinct follows that as well, i.e. they are prone to converging and separating, or all the other dualistic stuff. It would be akin to saying that if you can pour water on some fire, you directly scale to the concept of fire itself. Or that you scale to T0 because you have EE. Stuff like that. It's simply the rule of the universe that things unify and diverge, not some explicit act from the essence itself.
Which is why this is said right after:
Naturally, only OC is, in a sense, "prone" to this. Since it embodies Chaos maximally, it is in itself infinitely chaotic, and so maximally divides itself. But lesser beings don't embody it to this degree, so their convergence and separation is nowhere near this. This is in the same way, for example, a Sequence 9 Villain doesn't have reproductive tendencies on the level of a MGoD; they embody this stuff at lesser degrees. In any case, this will become a bit more elaborated down the line as well.
So yea, it's not them literally "resisting" a T0--it doesn't even act in that sense. It's just talking about how beings, in embodying it at varying degrees, have varying degrees of tendency for convergence and divergence. MGoD both in being the strongest Outer Deity and also not embodying chaos as much is not prone to such aggressive levels and splitting up and aggregating again.
Which is why this is said right after:
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1118)
Naturally, only OC is, in a sense, "prone" to this. Since it embodies Chaos maximally, it is in itself infinitely chaotic, and so maximally divides itself. But lesser beings don't embody it to this degree, so their convergence and separation is nowhere near this. This is in the same way, for example, a Sequence 9 Villain doesn't have reproductive tendencies on the level of a MGoD; they embody this stuff at lesser degrees. In any case, this will become a bit more elaborated down the line as well.
So yea, it's not them literally "resisting" a T0--it doesn't even act in that sense. It's just talking about how beings, in embodying it at varying degrees, have varying degrees of tendency for convergence and divergence. MGoD both in being the strongest Outer Deity and also not embodying chaos as much is not prone to such aggressive levels and splitting up and aggregating again.
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1111)
"This" is what OC embodies. In the same way as all Great Old Ones embody certain Symbol, the OC embodies the most unique and fundamental one of Chaos; that being the ground of procession (separation & unity), of destruction and creation, and of existence. And since it is prior to all of these, it becomes none of these, governing the flow from and to chaos (here speaking of material chaos), governing Genesis (Beginning) and Termination (End):
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1174)
For after all, Beginning and End are one and the same at this level:
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1090)
(https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/cP_tqkcYhM-fA4l9c59JUA)
^This is why OC is also called "Primordial Chaos", because within LoM, it literally just means "Beginning End".
Specifically for OC, since it is the harmony between dualities as the Dao itself, it contains both the beginning and the termination of its own activity within itself, as the unity of Yin and Yang (also a cheeky reference as to why the Spirit World spans the past, present & future, and why Symbolism are Primordial Revelations):
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1152)
Naturally in difference to the Symbol-itself which contains them as purely static and nothing more.
Which therein leads us finally to this:
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 514)
Beginning represents all possibilities, wherein End contains sublimation. As OC, it represents procession; the exemplification of all things within it into multiplicity. Whereas as the Symbol, they remain truly "one", meaning that all it can be (Beginning) is all it is (End). As such, the Primordial Chaos, in a sense, would lack such potency, making it purely actualized.
So non-duality becomes the Ultimate Truth of all things~
(https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/MVDN8EkTOoEi6k8DmQL2dQ)
In being both beyond intellectual multiplicity (that is, lower noetic functions), and in being beyond conceptual duality (that is, Yin and Yang), it simply exists as all things, free of distinction.
Oh and just to elaborate, the naming in particular is not an issue. The Symbol and OC can both be called "Primordial Chaos" in the same sense as to how Lumian is called "Calamity itself" even though he only embodies the Symbol of Calamity:
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1162)
Because at that level, by fully reversing into such Symbolism, you become almost indistinguishable from it. Because at the end of the day, OC and Chaos are one (as are all things); the only difference is that the former represents procession, or in other words, the manifestation of the latter into multiplicity (that is also High 1-A+ by itself btw, if there wasn't enough for for it yet. Iirc, in it being a "Tier 0" but exemplified into multiplicity is what the tier was originally based on, and pretty sure what the standard is still now: T0 is all qualities simpliciter, whereas H1A+ Type 2 is all qualities complex):
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 1387)
With all that's been said, the fundamental Symbol of LoM can only be left with a singular appropriate tier: Boundless.
As a little note, it should be noticed that Chaos is prior to division between universal and particular (division of Astral World and Reality), i.e. Symbolism and Material objects. As such, it is not divisively predicated, as in, it does not utilize anything else as a truthmaker for its being the same way an apple for example would utilize the universal of an apple. Following that, at its level, it is entirely self-predicative and self-sufficient.
Godhood is the indestructible spirit of the Creator within all things.
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1088)
I know. That's an extremely long scan, so I'll just explain it in very simple terms.
Godhood is spirit and mind of OC and furthermore of the Great Old Ones (the divinities it has divided itself into) that is located within all beings. It is fundamentally an instinct. In being unified with the particular Sefirot/Symbols, what this "Godhood Instinct" represents is based on the very concepts it is based on.
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1153)
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1175)
It is a sort of "directionality" that beings possess. In ascending through the Sequences/Emanations, the psyche of the OC and of the particular GOO awakens within beings through the collective subconscious, and thus the instinct of those beings morphs into that same instinct that the Gods possess.
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1119)
Naturally, that being because marks in the subconscious are formed via experience, the same sort of thing required in the apprehension of Symbols:
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 1069)
But of course, the intellection of humans isn't permanent and they're not going to always be in cogitation to perceive Symbols, so their mental marks aren't either. The Great Old Ones, being minds quite literally derived from the Symbols themselves thusly become eternal--being indelible marks in the sea of subconscious, eventually manifesting in the islands of of consciousness (individual minds) and the spirituality sky (the reflection of spirit in the mind world, since "spirit" is just the outward appearance of the mind, really).
(Circle of Inevitability, Chapter 1155)
With this then, it becomes even more apparent as to why the OC split up:
Mother Goddess of Depravity represents Reproduction, so her Godhood Instinct is to reproduce. Circle of Inevitability represents Redemption, so its Godhood Instinct is Redemption. And the Creator represents Chaos, the condition for procession (unity & separation), so of course, in maximally embodying that, the Creator's instinct literally becomes procession itself. Thusly, OC becomes maximally chaotic, having an uncontrollable tendency for unity & separation. So in coming closer to the OC, you fuse with it (The Universe) and thus become just as chaotic.
Which is why:
(https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/8Ju4F_B3cBLm5brbnu5cjA)
The instinct of the Universe is returning to that primordial origin.
And in doing so, all is erased, even the Creator’s spiritual mark itself. Wherein at that point there will be no distinction in the pure attendance of the Symbol:
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 1271)
Oh yea, that was a bit of a tangent but it's basically just more holistic grounding on it all. In short, Godhood will directly scale to OC, that is, High 1-A+.
It also, funnily enough, directly relates to the first section of the CRT, since the entire reason beings' minds shatter when looking at Godhood is because it explicitly transcends lower noetic activities:
(Lord of Mysteries, Chapter 902)
So you literally need to transcend subject-object duality to look at these things lol. Definitely the strongest MM3 on the site for a reason hehehehehe.
Conclusions:
- Symbol of Chaos / Primordial Chaos: Boundless
- + Acausality Type 5 for transcending the Symbol of Change. It's implied by the tier, but we still have to index anything we can, so yea.
- Original Creator: High Outerverse level+ (Type 1)
- Godhood: High Outerverse level+ (Type 1)
- Astral World / Symbolism / Sefirot: High Outerverse level+ (Type 1)
Thanks for reading.
Staff Votes:
@Qawsedf234 (Agree, except Chaos should be H1A+ Type 2 instead of 0)
@ActuallySpaceMan42 (Agree, except Chaos should be H1A+ Type 2 instead of 0)
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