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Ahhhhh, forgot about this. So it even also applies to Deku, just that his own is a lot more subtle than that of the others
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Gotta give it to Shigaraki and Deku though Deku dies in the process.
If Shigaraki can’t regenerate from radiation effects then humanity wins/draw
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We just ******* die. All Shigaraki needs to do is put his hands down a few times and humanity inevitably falls (he was going to destroy all of Japan in a single bout of decay).
That’s assuming that humanity can even hit 2 less than 2 metre wide objects going faster than the speed of light. One or both of them should have Danger Sense as well, and both are capable of using their vestiges to communicate so they’d know that a nuke was coming before it hit and would be able to evacuate the blast area. (There’s a good comment about that here). There’s also nothing stopping Shigaraki digging a hole underground like he did when fighting Star to avoid the worst effects of the blast (also the Tiamat missiles are probably nukes as well anyway, given how they are hypersonic, have a wide radius of destruction, and are said to be a method that Japan is incapable of using.)
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tired of hearing tis
Deku and Shiggy see the nukes coming and have sufficient enough travel speed to get tf outta there they aint js gonna be stupid and try to face tank the nukes
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Call me Sukuna cuz people are losing limbs and fast. I'd train my speed especially so i can land hits
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Shigaraki got it for sure due to decay, busted regen (specially if you use the High Mid interpretation, which i shall for thie thought experiment), inhuman combat speee, and amazing travel speed (Mach 10 running speed with MHS leaping speed)
Deku don't got regen or decay but he surely got AoE range with OFA and has the same speed as Shigaraki so he's got it too
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Deku and Shiggy are Japanese, meaning Japan is the first to experience their onslaught.
Ik we got the stats here and shit and whatever, but we know in lore that it’ll take Shigaraki a week to destroy Japan using Decay. I’d say Deku (while he has the AP to outright destroy Japan) cannot destroy it any faster than Shigaraki. Even if they could, that’s plenty of time for other global superpowers to say go aw hell naw.
When I say humanity might win/it might end in a draw it’s because the entire planet would be inhabitable.
Deku and Shigaraki being X fast is irrelevant.
danger sense is irrelevant.
While the Japanese military is fighting as hard as they possibly can (to no avail) Russia and the US is starting to move warheads via air and sea.
I think a situation like that would push them to just end everything. Let’s say by chance Deku and Shiggy can intercept every single nuke (doubt) the fallout doesn’t just go away, eventually they’re gonna get sick and die.
Last I checked there’s over 10,000 nukes globally? Even if they intercept all of them, the world is absolutely cooked and they wouldn’t survive the fallout.
So I think humanity dies alongside them.
But there’s likely gonna be people living in bunkers across the globe so if you consider that a win I think humanity takes the dub.
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Deku can probably just catch the nukes and redirect them to space with Gearshift.
Deku would do better soloing the world actual solo without Tomura. It would take extenuating or extreme circumstances for governments to launch nukes. Tomura is likely more likely to trigger that response; it even happened in canon.
Deku would do better soloing the world actual solo without Tomura. It would take extenuating or extreme circumstances for governments to launch nukes. Tomura is likely more likely to trigger that response; it even happened in canon.
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I would like to remind yall that Tomura alone made a much more advanced USA which if I had to guess is likely still the worlds superpower back tf off and call him an invincible monster so he lwkey might just aura diff the countries alone into submission once he wipes out japan with decay maybe.
This happened in canon btw
Deku is stronger then shiggy physically so it'll take him less time to initiate that response probably since any time they try to nuke him danger sense will warn him and then he redirects them with BW since he has way more then enough LS to do it
This happened in canon btw
Deku is stronger then shiggy physically so it'll take him less time to initiate that response probably since any time they try to nuke him danger sense will warn him and then he redirects them with BW since he has way more then enough LS to do it
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Danger sense just tells him there’s danger coming, and the general direction of it.
Not what’s coming.
I don’t think they’d identify any nuke with thousands of other missiles being launched in their general direction, jets trying to keep up and shoot at them etc.
nukes also fire off above the ground.
Not that it matters as I don’t believe a direct strike would harm them, mostly the fall out from them.
It wouldn’t take much for them to realize that the only way to stop them is by nuking them. They’re zipping around at impossible speeds and wiping cities in seconds.
Japan is getting wiped.
Eventually the fallout would probably wipe all life on earth out, besides the few living in bunkers.
Not what’s coming.
I don’t think they’d identify any nuke with thousands of other missiles being launched in their general direction, jets trying to keep up and shoot at them etc.
nukes also fire off above the ground.
Not that it matters as I don’t believe a direct strike would harm them, mostly the fall out from them.
It wouldn’t take much for them to realize that the only way to stop them is by nuking them. They’re zipping around at impossible speeds and wiping cities in seconds.
Japan is getting wiped.
Eventually the fallout would probably wipe all life on earth out, besides the few living in bunkers.
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thats the problem tho
just as long as they know they are there and look up to see a bunch of bombs heading their way they can just simply get out of there with their travel speed
iirc deku's travel speed can at least get up to mhs so he'd get out of there in microseconds since i dont think izuku would want to test to see if he can be affected by a bombs heat and radiation
Shigaraki could likely face tank several nukes anyway due to the possibility of him having high-mid regen and the ability to survive without vital organs so he'd likely not care about the radiation or heat ngl even then he should also have sufficient enough TS to get out
just as long as they know they are there and look up to see a bunch of bombs heading their way they can just simply get out of there with their travel speed
iirc deku's travel speed can at least get up to mhs so he'd get out of there in microseconds since i dont think izuku would want to test to see if he can be affected by a bombs heat and radiation
Shigaraki could likely face tank several nukes anyway due to the possibility of him having high-mid regen and the ability to survive without vital organs so he'd likely not care about the radiation or heat ngl even then he should also have sufficient enough TS to get out
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People really be thinking launching nukes non stop is smth easy or casual lmao
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yea + would humanity really resort to that? they'd be killing millions depending on where they are
and given that they are placed on earth both deku and shigaraki likely know where the presidents are and their locations
so something like the WH would likely get targetted first and wiped out instantly before any nukes could be sent from the US
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Shigaraki would wipe out humanity by the time world leaders finally come around to using nukes
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We see in the anime (and I think in the manga as well) that he can put his hands down for a second and it just continues decaying, with it being stated to reach Fuji. It would take a week, but only require a short touch to get started.
He doesn’t need to destroy all of it. Just destroy the place of government and do the same for other countries. No weapon is going to be able to hit a 166cm, hypersonic (at minimum) object with an unpredictable flight path. And as others have said, firing a nuke, let alone a thousand, is a massive decision that won’t be made quickly.
How? Depending on the speed they might not even be able to be hit by a single weapon. It takes time for a bomb to fall to the ground, and danger sense would allow Deku to note the threat earlier.
I don’t think that all the nukes going off would irradiate the entire world. According to this the nukes would cause everything to be uninhabitable for a few hundred km. The bombs take time to fall as well, which gives Deku’s and Shigaraki more time to intercept or dodge. If you assume they fall at Mach 21 (7km/s), they fall from 88km (maximum altitude on long range trajectory) and they need to detonate at about 30km (the threshold for high altitude detonations not aimed for destruction), then that gives Deku and Shiggy about 8 seconds to intercept them. In that time Shigaraki can use his radio wave quirk to disable any bombs heading his way, making them useless in the process. It would also take ages for humanity to mobilise and strategise due to the metaphorical weight of nuclear weapons along with the preparations needed to launch them. In comparison, Shigaraki and Deku don’t need to strategise as long, and can get around the planet faster. By the time weapons are sent to their location, Shigaraki could be in Indonesia and Deku in China. And again, since Shigaraki just needs to touch the ground for a second to ensure widespread destruction, he doesn’t have to be in a country for very long to cripple it. I’m pretty sure Shiggy’s regen would deal with the effects as well, as radiation is mostly bad because it works by changing DNA or causing mutations and we know that Shigaraki can already adapt to harmful substances and even change its shape to fit Shigaraki’s power.
Shigaraki has search doesn’t he? That would allow him to find people in bunkers. And he wouldn’t be dead because, again, he likely has the ability to adapt to and regenerate from the radiation and also the ability to disable them with Radio Waves.
Doesn’t matter when radio wave or shock waves from OFA (80 km radius cleared in under a second) deal with all of them just as easily.
See the above point
These impossible speeds (especially for Deku) could lead to the attacks missing if we go for higher end scales (such as FTL Deku and Shiggy). Even if we don’t accept those speeds, it takes far too long to actually mobilise a nuclear weapo, much less coordinate every government on the planet to fire on one point. By the time a drop point is determined, the two could have moved on to farther away targets. It will also take a long time for other countries to figure out what’s happening in Japan due to things like lack of footage and clear motives and abilities of the fighters.
Bunkers are shielded from the radioactive effects of nuclear bombs due to being buried deep underground. Shigaraki also pulled this strat against Star so what’s stopping him from using it here to avoid the nuke’s radioactive effects? The fallout also probably wouldn’t be as bad as you say, as mentioned in the above video.
Yeah I think I agree with this. In addition to what you mentioned, Deku can disperse 80km of clouds in less than a second whilst weakened, giving him a direct counter play to any nuclear attack. In comparison, Radio Waves have a smaller range (though would still do the job). Deku can also go faster, and has ways of obscuring his location with smokescreen. Shigaraki would still wipe humanity though and has his own advantages (regen, adaptation, being able to survive w/o most of his brain, burrowing underground etc).
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The only way humanity has hopes of stopping the duo is nukes and they are almost if not completely irrelevant based on the physical stats, abilities, and intelligence of deku and shigaraki. Deku and Shiggy wipe humanity and its not close
But thats a given since its narratively treated that without heroes like deku trying to stop shiggy that shiggy alone would've wiped out mha's humanity by his lonesome which keep in mind they are MUCH more advanced then our current day humanity
But thats a given since its narratively treated that without heroes like deku trying to stop shiggy that shiggy alone would've wiped out mha's humanity by his lonesome which keep in mind they are MUCH more advanced then our current day humanity
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i stand corrected, I was lowk under the impression that firing hella nukes (apparently Russia and the US has like 1,000 ready to fire at any given moment) would absolutely cook the atmosphere completely and irradiate the entire planet. I think slop nuke propaganda is strong with me.
Lowk forgot about Shigaraki’s EMP waves.
Deku can only move at MHS travel speeds with 100% and Fuax OFA/gearshift. Things he can’t use at all times apparently.
But I think i agree with yall with a majority of this.
I still believe if Japan was suddenly being ripped apart by 2 humanoids capable of destroying entire cities in seconds other countries would absolutely begin nuking without question. That’s borderline cosmic horror.
But knowing Shiggy’s EMP waves and no amount of nukes currently existing could eradicate the atmosphere/irradiate the planet it’d all be in vain.
Excuse my ignorance
Lowk forgot about Shigaraki’s EMP waves.
Deku can only move at MHS travel speeds with 100% and Fuax OFA/gearshift. Things he can’t use at all times apparently.
But I think i agree with yall with a majority of this.
I still believe if Japan was suddenly being ripped apart by 2 humanoids capable of destroying entire cities in seconds other countries would absolutely begin nuking without question. That’s borderline cosmic horror.
But knowing Shiggy’s EMP waves and no amount of nukes currently existing could eradicate the atmosphere/irradiate the planet it’d all be in vain.
Excuse my ignorance
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In fairness, I think sometimes our tiering system makes it hard to realise how busted these characters would be irl. Deku moving at Mach 10, let alone the 1.68c we have him at, would make him hard for any government to tag. The fastest fighter jet ever flies at Mach 6.72 and this was an experimental one made with help from NASA with only 3 ever being built. Clearing storms doesn’t sound the most impressive, until you realise Deku is moving over 52 BILLION Metric Tons of material in under a second. For reference, the mass of every human combined is 100 times less than this. The difference in mass between a human and an elephant is usually less than that.
Nukes are honestly worse if they are fired at every city rather than focused on location, which the start of the Kurzgesagt video talks about. They are still incredibly dangerous for the world, but not if all fired at one spot.
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MHA has great highs but also terrible lows. The first 3 seasons had a very solid and consistent writing.
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Extremely underrated. One of the best written shonen OAT.
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I'd argue the second half of MHA (MVA-Epilogue) is far FAR better written than the first half. The "lows" are greatly exaggerated. The worst writing in the series is the heteromorph conflict.
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Same, a lot of people just hate on the story because it didn’t go the way they wanted it to. In that sense, they aren’t fans of the series but rather their view of the series. I’ve not finished JJK yet, but I’m near the end and getting the same impression from that series as well.
I love that the series offers societal critiques, whilst also trying to offer solutions to those problems. It’s a very good series for making you hopeful, perhaps one of the most hope-pilled stories I’ve read/watched. I think stories often go like “look how bad this is” or “look how bad things were in the past, good thing we’re not like that now” and both approaches annoy me because they are either defeatist or wilfully ignorant.
I agree. I think the series gradually gets better as you go on. I think there are a couple speed bumps (licensing exam arc and Joint Training arc) but other than those it really builds up into the war arc. The heteromorph plot isn’t even terrible imo, just a little undercooked. I still really enjoy Shoji vs Spinner though.
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Exactly. Horikoshi's worst isn't even that horrible.
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Probably because the License exams and Joint Training drags the other story arcs down but even then it's debatable. Even then these "low" story arcs weren't that bad and had some of the high points in the story, like Deku vs Bakugo.
MHA's final act benefits significantly from the storylines since the beginning of the story coming to a climax and conclusion (the great highs), but "far better written" is a great stretch.
Also, might be a hot take here but Paranormal War > Final War. The only dogshit part of the first war was Mr. Compress.
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Shouldn't Dark Hero arc Deku's 100% be FTL instead of just "far higher"? Given he claims his 100% is Prime All Might level already at that time.
This seems like a result of merging the Paranormal War and Dark Hero arcs as one key.
This seems like a result of merging the Paranormal War and Dark Hero arcs as one key.
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I think dogshit is a bit of an exaggeration. Like, his portrayal wasn’t inconsistent with how he’d been done before. It was also lowkey kinda funny how simple his reasons were for being a villain. I’m not sure even the worst written parts of the series are “dogshit”. Lacklustre is probably the best word for them.
Probably, I’m pretty sure there’s other evidence as well but I can’t remember unfortunately
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It isn't. He fancies himself as someone carrying the will and legacy of Oji Harima, his Robin Hood-esque ancestor, whilst his actions suggests nothing but. In actuality, his association with the destructive LOV undermines Harima's supposed ideals.
What's funny is that he was highkey being tuff as hell while saving Tomura and Spinner, the backdrop of his backstory is just lame.
Compress isn't completely unsalvageable, though. Acknowledging that he has become a corrupted/distorted or half-assed version of Harima makes sense of what he's done so far. But he's been written out of the story after this point aside from a conversation with Geten (which the anime unfortunately cut).
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Seems pretty consistent to me. Much like Harima, the League (especially Tomura) pledges to reform hero society and fight against corruption. The only difference is their more violent methods, but it makes sense for Compress to be even more radicalised as hero society hasn’t changed at all in the generations since Harima’s age. This plot could have been eluded to a bit earlier, but it’s far from dogshit.
That would kinda seem a bit hand-holdy though. It’s easy to read that from his actions juxtaposed against Harima’s without it needing to be spelled out for the reader.
If we want to talk about a villain who was treated like dogshit, Magne exists. One of the only Trans reps in the series, and she gets taken out like that.
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That's not Tomura's vision, at all. He's not seeking any reforms, he aims to destroy everything and create a sandbox for the League to do whatever they please.
The League's actions were harming the very commonfolk Harima distributes the stolen wealth to.
The similarities between Tomura and Harima/Compress begins and ends with their shared hatred of the hero society.
Hero society did change since Harima's age. But it matters little as the problem is there the lacking frame of reference, which is Compress's personal opinions and how high society/the rich heroes of MHA affects the poor.
Everyone else in the League had an actual angle that the story ultimately addressed. Tomura being a (kinda) someone failed by hero society (ignore it was AFO all along) which motivated heroes like Deku to prevent potential villains from becoming one. Toga and Quirk counseling. Even the heteromorph plotline was a clear angle even though it was like, not even half-cooked, more like a lightly heated and still raw, and Spinner's involvement was mostly propaganda.
Compress? Nothing, because his cause was pure nothingburger.
Harima's actions fits an anti-hero and "returning wealth/power to the people" is a bit closer to the MLA's ideology, too bad they became redshirts after the MVA though.
Expanding on a long-tenured character (for a villain) whose entire motivation and backstory was explained within two pages or so is not being hand-holdy.
Magne is treated badly but it really doesn't soften the blow with how lame Compress is. He's even more empty than Spinner whose character is being a soulless trendchaser until he found his own conviction.
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That is a way of societal reform though. At least in Shigaraki’s mind. He views the whole of hero society as a mistake that requires fixing via destruction. It’s also not just the league he wants to create a future for, rather everyone that follows him.
I mean, Shigaraki also cares somewhat about the underprivileged. That was the whole point of the “I have to be their hero” scene, he was a hero for those who had none, those who had been downtrodden all their life.
Not all of it was AFO. It’s still important that if someone had helped him on the street that day, “Tomura Shigaraki” wouldn’t exist and AFO’s plan would have backfired. If his family had stood against his father earlier then his quirk may not have manifested in such a violent way. AFO’s plan was premeditated on the public’s over reliance on heroes as well as their deification in the public eye.
Magne is the only member of the League to be killed within a hundred chapters of their introduction and it’s done so quick and matter-of-factly. At least Compress gets time to interact with the League and properly befriend them. He had proper interactions and felt like a member of their family. Like I can’t think of a single thing Magne does outside of her battles with the Wild Wild Pussycats and Overhaul. Compress gets moments of him caring for the League (particularly Toga) and scenes showing his trust in them (such as with Shigaraki). A somewhat lacking backstory being the only bad thing makes him far less lame than her.
I m do agree that Spinner is a far better character from a writing standpoint, I just wouldn’t say that his backstory is dogshit even with its flaws. I wouldn’t call any part of the series dogshit honestly.
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Im watching you
btw im wondering is this announcement true? are we really getting another movie?
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Edit: Nvm apparently this is a MV damn you crunchy roll
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Mr.Compress slander will not be tolerated
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So, if MHA is not S tier in writing, then what is??
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The Kagurabachi shaped elephant in the corner
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I mean it can be S tier if u dig into its thematics n stuff but on the surface it should be an A-A+ tier story
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