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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

MANOFGOD7 said:
A story about absolute true heroes isn't enough to qualify it as peak??
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The subject matter doesn't decide quality, the story itself and how it's written is.

There's also no absolute definition of what makes a true hero. Deku certainly is a crazy, self-sacrificing hero as well as an inspiring hero in the end but it doesn't necessarily make him more heroic than others.
 
MANOFGOD7 said:
So, the surface level narration of the story is not enough to make it S tier??

A story about absolute true heroes isn't enough to qualify it as peak??
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It is for me.
Metalballrun said:
The subject matter doesn't decide quality, the story itself and how it's written is.
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And the reader’s perception of the writing as well. Cos it’s mostly subjective what counts as good writing.
Metalballrun said:
There's also no absolute definition of what makes a true hero. Deku certainly is a crazy, self-sacrificing hero as well as an inspiring hero in the end but it doesn't necessarily make him more heroic than others.
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Yeah they’re all true heroes by the end. As are many regular people as well. As long as you reach out to help, then you can be a hero.
 
Metalballrun said:
The subject matter doesn't decide quality, the story itself and how it's written is.
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We were talking about surface level for the meantime.......:giggle:
Metalballrun said:
There's also no absolute definition of what makes a true hero.
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Are we sure:oops:??

I would overlook this part for a while, but based on what you said afterwards, I'ld like to remind you that there are false heroes who are defined by their works and feats.
Metalballrun said:
Deku certainly is a crazy, self-sacrificing hero as well as an inspiring hero in the end but it doesn't necessarily make him more heroic than others.
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Doesn't make him more heroic than which others?? Like Homelander??
 
JoeDM021 said:
the nagant bullet feat alone is hella impressive and should be baseline genius level minimum
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What exactly was that feat again? Been a while since I rewatched/reread that part of the story, so I don’t remember the full feat. He managed to figure out where she was shooting from using two points iirc?
 
1000TonsofFun said:
What exactly was that feat again? Been a while since I rewatched/reread that part of the story, so I don’t remember the full feat. He managed to figure out where she was shooting from using two points iirc?
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he figured out nagants exact location via 2 shots only from when she was a KM away

at first you might think danger sense helped him a little but it didnt cause it would only tell deku the vague direction of where the bullet was going (aka north, south, west, east) when it was in his range and at first this might seem helpful but it actually would make the feat more impressive because it wasnt telling deku that the bullet was curving and changing direction so if anything danger sense would mislead him due to the fact its vague about the direction where the thing its warning about is coming from.

For Example: danger sense tells deku the bullet is coming at him from the east and he dodges.. but what we know is that the bullet curved and turned around a bunch of buildings in various directions in order to reach deku therefore muzzling her location but danger sense would just tell deku the bullet is coming from the east so that would mislead people to think the bullet came from the east when it made a bunch of turns down from the north then turning into the east side of the person.
 
MANOFGOD7 said:
false heroes who are defined by their works and feats.
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In MHA almost none of such heroes exist that it's practically a non-issue.

The only false heroes in MHA are the MLA members and those are basically domestic terrorists coming from all walks of life.

Of course you can go by Stain's definition of a "true hero" but everyone with a brain knows Stain is batshit insane and a universal liability whose harm both in action and ideology dwarfs any positive merit that could be attributed to him, which there are barely any.
 
Yo, I had this recalc of the Izuku and Bakugou storm feat made up like 3 years ago give or take, I was wondering if anyone could confirm whether it holds up or not, and if we could possibly apply the Prime Might multiplier to it giving the context surrounding the feat?

Feat: Deku and Bakugo vaporising Nine's storm

I am going to be looking at an already existing calc and fine-tuning it to give a more believable number. Namely, I will be reducing the height of the storm slightly and will be assuming percentages of the storm being condensed water, instead of the whole thing being vaporised.

The feat in question is in this clip, specifically the second "blast" when they start screaming harder. It looks as if the storm is vaporised, at least the majority, thus I'll be using the vaporisation of water.





Updated stuffs:

Storm height px = 358 px

Storm height m = 307412.2976 m



Storm volume = 1.119525302x10^17 m^3 = 1.119525302x10^23 cc



Assuming percentages of condensed water:

Given that the storm is very dark, even looking blue/purple in some areas, it's likely to contain quite a bit of condensed water. 10% seems like a good start point, though it may contain more, so I'll also be doing higher percentages alongside it.



10% = 1.119525302x10^22 cc

20% = 2.239050604x10^22 cc

50% = 5.597626509x10^22 cc

100% = 1.119525302x10^23 cc



Vaporisation of water = 2575 J/cc



Energy required:

10% = 2.882777653x10^25 J

20% = 5.765555305x10^25 J

50% = 1.441388826x10^26 J

100% = 2.882777653x10^26 J



All of them are Multi-Continental. 100% is likely not the case, however the others are all plausible.

Edit: Video ain’t working, but it’s just the final battle on Nabu Island.
 
BiggestOpp said:
Why is weakened All Might considered as strong as Final Deku’s smash?
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Because he was too fast for Kurogiri during the USJ incident, and Kurogiri was able to stop Embers Deku right as he was about to perform the final smash. Because OFA can’t increase power and speed independently, Deku in this moment must be weaker than USJ All Might.
MugenKage said:
Yo, I had this recalc of the Izuku and Bakugou storm feat made up like 3 years ago give or take, I was wondering if anyone could confirm whether it holds up or not, and if we could possibly apply the Prime Might multiplier to it giving the context surrounding the feat?
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Good work, although according to this, storms possess 20g/m^3 of condensed water. 1.119525302x10^17*20=2.2390506*10^18g or 2.2391*10^15 kg. Sea water has an average density of about
1.0245g/cm^3.

2.2390506*10^18/1.0245=2.1855057*10^18cm^3.

2.1855057*10^18*2575= 5.6276772e+21 Joules or 1.3450471319311663 Teratons of TNT. Still would be a good supporting feat nonetheless. You can probably also get something from the rotational KE given that Deku and Bakugo spin the storm a little before it’s destroyed.
You should put this in a blog anyway and see if it gets accepted.
 
BiggestOpp said:
That seems… weird?
I can’t put into words why that feels wrong.
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Izuku isn't at his 100%, but his exact placement is completely up for debate. The reasoning isn't fully solid. It's not surprising at all you feel that way.

While I have my own personal bias for it, I've been thinking of making a thread to undo it.

100% Izuku, no extra Quirks, is slightly stronger Prime All Might. However, in that final moment, he's not using 100% and is heavily injured. Both Izuku and All For Shiggy are operating well below their full power. It's a far easier sell to say that Prime All Might scales to the Final Smash then it is for Weakened All Might.

The highest calc for Weakened All Might level is High 6-C+. 18 Teratons isn't the worst sell, but the 60x multiplier does raise Prime All Might level pretty high.

If we did that, the Final Smash calculation becomes a supporting feat for Prime All Might level.

Weakened All Might characters would go back to 877.51 Gigatons, Final Smash is 18.65 Teratons, and Prime All Might would be 52.65 Teratons (Country level).

Basically, they'd go back to their ratings before the Final Smash ever happened.

The Final Smash being above Weakened All Might, but below Prime All Might is actually pretty fitting for me. It helps make the 60x multiplier sell better, even if I have issues with that as well. However, having a Country level feat to support it makes the rating look more solid.

We also have two High 6-C calculations for Weakened All Might level. As I said, I don't think a jump to Country level is that bad.

However, you can't deny that three High 6-C calcs better support High 6-C vs 6-B.

I do want to focus on the travel speed stuff with the limited time I have here, but it's been difficult. I'm struggling to deal with contradictions and scaling issues. I thought travel speed vs combat speed would be simple, but it really isn't. There's an entire mess here I'm trying to untangle, and alongside recent personal issues, it's been taking far longer than I thought.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Izuku isn't at his 100%, but his exact placement is completely up for debate. The reasoning isn't fully solid. It's not surprising at all you feel that way.

While I have my own personal bias for it, I've been thinking of making a thread to undo it.

100% Izuku, no extra Quirks, is slightly stronger Prime All Might. However, in that final moment, he's not using 100% and is heavily injured. Both Izuku and All For Shiggy are operating well below their full power. It's a far easier sell to say that Prime All Might scales to the Final Smash then it is for Weakened All Might.

The highest calc for Weakened All Might level is High 6-C+. 18 Teratons isn't the worst sell, but the 60x multiplier does raise Prime All Might level pretty high.

If we did that, the Final Smash calculation becomes a supporting feat for Prime All Might level.

Weakened All Might characters would go back to 877.51 Gigatons, Final Smash is 18.65 Teratons, and Prime All Might would be 52.65 Teratons (Country level).

Basically, they'd go back to their ratings before the Final Smash ever happened.

The Final Smash being above Weakened All Might, but below Prime All Might is actually pretty fitting for me. It helps make the 60x multiplier sell better, even if I have issues with that as well. However, having a Country level feat to support it makes the rating look more solid.

We also have two High 6-C calculations for Weakened All Might level. As I said, I don't think a jump to Country level is that bad.

However, you can't deny that three High 6-C calcs better support High 6-C vs 6-B.

I do want to focus on the travel speed stuff with the limited time I have here, but it's been difficult. I'm struggling to deal with contradictions and scaling issues. I thought travel speed vs combat speed would be simple, but it really isn't. There's an entire mess here I'm trying to untangle, and alongside recent personal issues, it's been taking far longer than I thought.
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Why use speed to scale him at all when we can just use the fact that Embers Deku was still at risk of being injured by AFO? Other High-End tier characters were getting beat down by AFO and those same attacks were a threat to Deku.

He’s not Prime AM tier at all, at best he’s somewhere above High-Ends but is still capable of being hurt by attacks on that level.
 
Ozcantabak said:
Was it ever explained why 100% Deku at the beggining was only equal to weakened All Might and not prime All Might ?
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Not explicitly.
We can infer that it is due to him being an incomplete vessel, though. All Might himself can be considered a "broken vessel" who can no longer wield OFA like his Prime self despite having all of it.
Deku shifting between Weakened to Prime All Might level as his ceiling is also poorly explained, if not explained at all. We have to go by feats and statements to string together a coherent progress of power to form the current Deku scaling we have right now.
 
1000TonsofFun said:
Good work, although according to this, storms possess 20g/m^3 of condensed water. 1.119525302x10^17*20=2.2390506*10^18g or 2.2391*10^15 kg. Sea water has an average density of about
1.0245g/cm^3.

2.2390506*10^18/1.0245=2.1855057*10^18cm^3.

2.1855057*10^18*2575= 5.6276772e+21 Joules or 1.3450471319311663 Teratons of TNT. Still would be a good supporting feat nonetheless. You can probably also get something from the rotational KE given that Deku and Bakugo spin the storm a little before it’s destroyed.
You should put this in a blog anyway and see if it gets accepted.
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I’ve actually never done a blog before, how would I go about doing that? And would the Prime Might multiplier be applicable here given Izuku transferred OFA and is banged up with a broken arm when he performed the feat?

Edit: Oh, and how much higher does it get if you calc it with the clouds being spun?
 
BiggestOpp said:
That seems… weird?
I can’t put into words why that feels wrong.
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I'd guess it's because

1) It is possible to use lower percentages of OFA to move while use higher percentages to attack. Examples being All Might moving at 20% speed most of the time while presumably still being able to fight at higher percentages, and Deku using 20% and 45% at the point of impact whilst using 8% and 30% as his base respectively, something that is really just a mechanical way of using OFA as consequence of not fully mastering it.

2) Using Kurogiri as a barometer is fine but not conclusive. I don't think it was clear that Kurogiri was completely unable to react to Deku during the USJ, but Tomura certainly did and was going to intercept Deku with Decay, and if I'm not mistaken that's not possible without Kurogiri's cooperation so he likely did react to Deku. Moreover Deku was moving at a slower and predictable path IMO against AFO so Kurogiri can just manifest between AFO and Deku.
Add the fact that Kurogiri is supposed to be just Hypersonic makes him a bit unreliable to use for speed scaling in general IMO.
 
lwkey if there was a 5th mha movie that would come out soon

What would yall want it to be

Me personally its either a Prime All Might backstory or something related to the early days of mha when they were just figuring out about quirks and ofc we get to see way more of AFO and his semantics
 
MugenKage said:
I’ve actually never done a blog before, how would I go about doing that?
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If you view your fandom profile on the wiki, you can scroll a bit across to find a section labelled blog. Going on there should give you the option to create a blog.
MugenKage said:
And would the Prime Might multiplier be applicable here given Izuku transferred OFA and is banged up with a broken arm when he performed the feat?
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I would say yes. Deku’s 100% wasn’t at his Final War levels here.
MugenKage said:
Edit: Oh, and how much higher does it get if you calc it with the clouds being spun?
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I honestly don’t know, but I imagine it would be higher than the current Calc which merely takes into account the storm being split.

Kingofwolves999 said:
Why use speed to scale him at all when we can just use the fact that Embers Deku was still at risk of being injured by AFO? Other High-End tier characters were getting beat down by AFO and those same attacks were a threat to Deku.

He’s not Prime AM tier at all, at best he’s somewhere above High-Ends but is still capable of being hurt by attacks on that level.
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Yeah, it doesn’t really make sense for a Deku who is narratively implied to be weak to be actually the strongest hero alive at that point. The whole narrative of the AFO Chaos battle is that Deku inspires others to act due to his weakness and it requires the rest of Class A to take attacks for him and push him forward.
 
1000TonsofFun said:
If you view your fandom profile on the wiki, you can scroll a bit across to find a section labelled blog. Going on there should give you the option to create a blog.

I would say yes. Deku’s 100% wasn’t at his Final War levels here.

I honestly don’t know, but I imagine it would be higher than the current Calc which merely takes into account the storm being split.
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Thanks! I might give it a try after I get the re calc using the storm being spun!👍
 
Movie deku really be a vs wiki feat merchant watching first movie again 5% deku was crazy he never did anything like that in the manga (keeping up with weaken plus ultra all might running fighting wolfram) kicking pillars wtf tanking falls from a helicopter.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Izuku isn't at his 100%, but his exact placement is completely up for debate. The reasoning isn't fully solid. It's not surprising at all you feel that way.

While I have my own personal bias for it, I've been thinking of making a thread to undo it.

100% Izuku, no extra Quirks, is slightly stronger Prime All Might. However, in that final moment, he's not using 100% and is heavily injured. Both Izuku and All For Shiggy are operating well below their full power. It's a far easier sell to say that Prime All Might scales to the Final Smash then it is for Weakened All Might.

The highest calc for Weakened All Might level is High 6-C+. 18 Teratons isn't the worst sell, but the 60x multiplier does raise Prime All Might level pretty high.

If we did that, the Final Smash calculation becomes a supporting feat for Prime All Might level.

Weakened All Might characters would go back to 877.51 Gigatons, Final Smash is 18.65 Teratons, and Prime All Might would be 52.65 Teratons (Country level).

Basically, they'd go back to their ratings before the Final Smash ever happened.

The Final Smash being above Weakened All Might, but below Prime All Might is actually pretty fitting for me. It helps make the 60x multiplier sell better, even if I have issues with that as well. However, having a Country level feat to support it makes the rating look more solid.

We also have two High 6-C calculations for Weakened All Might level. As I said, I don't think a jump to Country level is that bad.

However, you can't deny that three High 6-C calcs better support High 6-C vs 6-B.

I do want to focus on the travel speed stuff with the limited time I have here, but it's been difficult. I'm struggling to deal with contradictions and scaling issues. I thought travel speed vs combat speed would be simple, but it really isn't. There's an entire mess here I'm trying to untangle, and alongside recent personal issues, it's been taking far longer than I thought.
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Thank you for taking the time to respond.
I don’t really take issue with AM scaling to the punch but the reasoning, while reasonable, just makes me go ehhhh.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Izuku isn't at his 100%, but his exact placement is completely up for debate. The reasoning isn't fully solid. It's not surprising at all you feel that way.

While I have my own personal bias for it, I've been thinking of making a thread to undo it.

100% Izuku, no extra Quirks, is slightly stronger Prime All Might. However, in that final moment, he's not using 100% and is heavily injured. Both Izuku and All For Shiggy are operating well below their full power. It's a far easier sell to say that Prime All Might scales to the Final Smash then it is for Weakened All Might.

The highest calc for Weakened All Might level is High 6-C+. 18 Teratons isn't the worst sell, but the 60x multiplier does raise Prime All Might level pretty high.

If we did that, the Final Smash calculation becomes a supporting feat for Prime All Might level.

Weakened All Might characters would go back to 877.51 Gigatons, Final Smash is 18.65 Teratons, and Prime All Might would be 52.65 Teratons (Country level).

Basically, they'd go back to their ratings before the Final Smash ever happened.

The Final Smash being above Weakened All Might, but below Prime All Might is actually pretty fitting for me. It helps make the 60x multiplier sell better, even if I have issues with that as well. However, having a Country level feat to support it makes the rating look more solid.

We also have two High 6-C calculations for Weakened All Might level. As I said, I don't think a jump to Country level is that bad.

However, you can't deny that three High 6-C calcs better support High 6-C vs 6-B.

I do want to focus on the travel speed stuff with the limited time I have here, but it's been difficult. I'm struggling to deal with contradictions and scaling issues. I thought travel speed vs combat speed would be simple, but it really isn't. There's an entire mess here I'm trying to untangle, and alongside recent personal issues, it's been taking far longer than I thought.
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So assuming Weakened All Might Level Characters ever go back to 877.51 Gigatons, but also the 60x Prime All Might Multiplier ever gets removed as well because of various People having an issue with it as well, where would Prime All Might Level Scale to? That Redestro 27.975 Terraton Calc? Would the scale be something like this?

Weakened All Might Level: 877.51 Gigatons/Large Island Level+/High 6-C
Deku’s Final Smash: 18.65 Teratons/Country Level/6-B
Prime All Might Level: 27.975 Teratons/Country Level/6-B
Deku’s Fa Jin and Gearshift: 139.875 Teratons/Large Country Level/High 6-B
 
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DBZMLP12345 said:
So assuming Weakened All Might Level Characters ever go back to 877.51 Gigatons, but also the 60x Prime All Might Multiplier ever gets removed as well because of various People having an issue with it as well, where would Prime All Might Level Scale to? That Redestro 27.975 Terraton Calc? Would the scale be something like this?

Weakened All Might Level: 877.51 Gigatons/Large Island Level+/High 6-C
Deku’s Final Smash: 18.65 Terratons/Country Level/6-B
Prime All Might Level: 27.975 Terratons/Country Level/6-B
Deku’s Fa Jin and Gearshift: 139.875 Terratons/Large Country Level/High 6-B
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The redestro WHAT?
 
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