Kaneki Profile Rework

[Foriaa]

Hello, the purpose of this thread is to revise Kaneki's profile structure, with new keys and abilities as well. Major thanks to M2u12 and NikHelton for their help.
Old profile
New Profile

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Key Structure Changes

• Old key layout: Tokyo Ghoul | Sasaki Haise | Post-Rose Arc | Dragon | Post-Dragon
• New key layout: Post-Aogiri Arc | Owl Suppression Operation Arc | Pre-Rose Arc | Post-Rose Arc | Post-Dragon
• The old Tokyo Ghoul key has been split into Post-Aogiri Arc and Owl Suppression Operation Arc to better separate Kaneki’s scaling at different points in Part 1, previously it was just Part 1 with the next key skipping to Part 2's Haise.
• The old Sasaki Haise key has been revised into the Pre-Rose Arc key, since his power varies.
• The Dragon key has been removed from the main profile, I'll be reworking this in the future.

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Stat Changes

• Post-Aogiri Arc scales to Multi-City Block level+, Small Town level with Kakuja, and higher with Accelerated Development. This is supported by Kaneki scaling to Yamori, being stated superior to the twins, forcing Shinohara to activate Arata, nearly snapping his spine, clashing with him, and later incapacitating Arata Shinohara with an imperfect hit.
• Owl Suppression Operation Arc was added as a new statistics key. Kaneki now scales from fighting and defeating Hirako, fighting Amon, destroying Amon’s Quinque, cleaving through Arata Amon, and cracking IXA’s protective barrier.
• Pre-Rose Arc now uses Varies ratings because Sasaki refuses to fully accept Kaneki’s identity, but still having Multi-City Block level due to still being stronger than the Quinxes and most ghouls, with it increase to the Multi-City Block level+ value as the fight progresses, and finally up to Small Town level at his peak
• Post-Rose Arc now scales to Town level+, likely Large Town level+, with far higher Kakuja scaling. This comes from defeating Eto, tearing apart her Kakuja with a single attack, chewing her Kakuja, destroying IXA’s protective barrier, crashing into Owl, and ultimately destroying it.
• Post-Dragon now scales from Town level+, likely Large Town level+ to Large Mountain level+ with Accelerated Development. This is based on Kaneki absorbing all of the Oggai and the core, being shocked by his own power, one-shotting Kakuja Furuta, and destroying Dragon’s defense mechanisms in one blow.
• Post-Dragon Speed is now at least Relativistic with far higher reaction and combat speed via Kagune, with further increases through Kakuja and Accelerated Development. This is supported by his post-Dragon power increase and his ability to blitz Kakuja Furuta.
• Post-Dragon Lifting Strength now reaches Class T with Accelerated Development, based on withstanding Dragon tentacles and escaping Dragon’s restraints.

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Ability Additions Revisions

• Added Skilled Hand-to-Hand Combatant to Post-Aogiri Arc, supported by Kaneki’s combat showings.
• Added Social Influencing to Post-Aogiri Arc, including fear, coercion, and deception, through Kaneki intimidating and terrifying ghouls into giving him information.
• Added Enhanced Senses for Post-Aogiri Arc, as Kaneki sensed Shachi about to attack him from above without looking.
• Added Surface Scaling, as Kaneki can scale walls in Kakuja mode.
• Expanded Supernatural Willpower with multiple examples, including Kaneki fighting after Yamori’s torture, continuing to battle Shachi despite being previously defeated, and continuing to fight Arima while exhausted, pierced, and severely damaged.
• Changed Sasaki’s old Fear Manipulation listing into Limited Perception Manipulation, based on his performance replicating the image of a snake capturing its prey.
• Added Limited Underground Mobility for Pre-Rose Kaneki, since he can use his kagune to attack from underground.
• Expanded Superhuman Precision for Post-Rose Kaneki, scaling him to top Special Class investigators who can kill opponents behind them without turning, make precise throws in free fall, and deflect multiple kagune projectiles.
• Added Enhanced Instinctive Action to Post-Rose Kaneki, scaling from Urie dodging attacks far faster than his perception.
• Added Damage Boost through Weapon Mastery, scaling from Arima being able to kill ghouls with an umbrella and Kuroiwa cutting through kagune with a broken blunt sword.
• Added Feints, as Kaneki tricked Arima with a kagune shout.
• Added Weapon Creation and Limited Thread Manipulation for Post-Rose Kaneki through creating cages, traps, and kagune strings.
• Added Extrasensory Perception, as Kaneki can detect when something is going wrong in the 24th ward.
• Expanded Absorption, as Kaneki can eat and instantly digest opponents with his kagune, scaling above Uta, who can swallow opponents whole.
• Added Flight / pseudo-flight to Post-Dragon Kaneki, as his Kakuja allows him to fly, remain stationary mid-air, and maneuver freely.
• Upgraded Post-Dragon Regeneration from Mid up to High-Mid with Reactive Evolution to at least Mid, up to Low-High with Reactive Evolution, based on Kaneki being reduced to a puddle and still regenerating.
• Added Rize-based regeneration support, as Kaneki shares the same RC-cell physiology as Rize, whose body and kakuhou were split apart and distributed among the Oggai before being reconstituted.
• Upgraded Post-Dragon Regeneration Negation from Mid up to High-Mid to at least High-Mid, up to Low-High with Reactive Evolution, since Furuta was unable to regenerate his arm and Kaneki later killed Dragon-Rize with one attack.
• Added Enhanced Instinctive Action to Post-Dragon Kaneki, as he unleashed a barrage of kagune without conscious intent.
• Expanded Post-Dragon Weapon Creation, as Kaneki can create weapons directly from his kagune, including a katana after Furuta requested a swordfight.
• Moved Explosion Manipulation into the main Post-Dragon ability list and paired it with Durability Negation, based on explosive RC cells and Furuta’s attacks being able to tear targets apart from the inside.
• Expanded Post-Dragon Enhanced Power Mimicry, as Kaneki can copy kagune that he has seen before.
• Added Danmaku as a possible application of copied Ukaku-type kagune properties, since Ukaku types can produce many projectiles at once.
• Added possible Electricity Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, Duplication, Fire Manipulation, and Healing under the condition that Kaneki realizes his full potential.
• Added possible Healing, including healing humans, ghouls, and himself.

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Resistance Revisions

• Expanded resistance to Biological Manipulation, since Kaneki retains human genetics despite his acquired ghoul physiology.
• Added resistance to Poison Manipulation and Regeneration Negation, since Kaneki could reattach his arm and heal his damaged torso after being damaged by quinque that should poison him and inhibit his regeneration.
• Added resistance to Pain Manipulation, due to Kaneki enduring Yamori’s torture and twisting his own leg to escape grabs and counterattack.
• Added resistance to Electricity Manipulation and Extreme Heat, since he no-sold an attack from Narukami.
• Expanded resistance to Regeneration Negation, as Kaneki could heal after being pierced by IXA and later recover from Owl attacks.
• Added resistance to Biological Deconstruction, since RC suppressants disrupt RC cells and disintegrate kagune, but Kaneki’s kagune limbs do not disintegrate despite absorbing the RC suppressor.
• Added Absorption resistance, since Kaneki was not instantly absorbed when Dragon tried to devour him and survived inside Dragon’s body.
• Added Unconventional resistance to Pressure Points and Pain Manipulation, since Post-Dragon Kaneki’s body is composed of kagune and lacks conventional pressure points or pain receptors.
• Added resistance to Poison Manipulation, Disease Manipulation, and cellular/genetic Biological Manipulation through adaptation to Dragon toxin and ROS effects.
• Added resistance to Memory Manipulation and Perception Manipulation, scaling from resistance to ROS symptoms, which include memory disorders, mental regression, and deadening of the five senses.

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Stamina / Range / Equipment / Intelligence / Tactics

• Expanded Post-Aogiri Stamina by adding context from Yamori's torture, who has filling up buckets with Kaneki's fingers, placing centipedes in his ear, using RC suppressants etc.
• Expanded Post-Dragon Stamina due to bro just being consumed by the Dragon, waking up from a coma and still being able to think, coordinate fight etc.
• Expanded Range due to Kagune size depending on things like will and RC cell capacity.
• Updated Standard Equipment by adding the CCG equipment Kaneki can use, such as the Ukaku Gun Quinque, explosive or incendiary grenades, CRC gas, and a gas mask.
• Overhauled Intelligence into a clearer Genius rating, with separate explanations for his general intelligence and his combat/strategic intelligence.
• Added a Standard Tactics with new descriptions and images showing Kaneki's usual battle tactics.

Agree : Nierre

 

[NikHelton]

 

[Saqphire]

Nice job

 

[Foriaa]

No staff online right now, I'll wait a few more hours and head to bed

 

[ShionAH]

You only add the "+" in the sections not the tiers themselves

 

[Foriaa]

Fixed, I remember doing that for a diff profile

 

[M2u12]

Ngl, I think I could've done a better job linking the scans in the text so people wouldn't have to open them one by one. I should've discovered ImgChest sooner ahhhhhhhhhhh

Other than that, everything looks good from what i see.
Thanks to NikHelton & Foriaa for making this project a reality too

 

[NikHelton]

Ngl, I think I could've done a better job linking the scans in the text so people wouldn't have to open them one by one. I should've discovered ImgChest sooner ahhhhhhhhhhh

Other than that, everything looks good from what i see.
Thanks to NikHelton & Foriaa for making this project a reality too

We'll need to re-archive the images in Imgur later, but that can wait. We'll also update the profile images.

 

[Arkenis]

Pretty good shit,

 

[Epiccheev]

Profile looks pretty good. The new split between keys also makes a lot more sense in terms of powerscaling. Agree

 

[Doggo]

It's so...pretty

 

[Nonynho]

Great job, fellas!

 

[Maikolpry]

Finally, TG profiles are receiving the quality they deserve.

 

[MintyBoi1]

This looks good

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bro boutta extreme diff dabura with this one

 

[NikHelton]

We also updated our profile images.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Obviously agree, since I saw it before hand - W to all involved and who helped

 

[Delusionaltx2]

• Added Enhanced Senses for Post-Aogiri Arc, as Kaneki sensed Shachi about to attack him from above without looking.

Sensing someone about to attack you without looking in their general direction feels like ESP rather than just enhanced senses tbh

Everything else I agree with, nice work

 

[azontr]

Dunno much about TG's current scaling to comment on stats, but a few issues.

Expanded Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction for Post-Aogiri Arc, as Kaneki can predict, analyze, and adapt to opponents during combat.

This doesn't really mean much; he was just getting Amon angrier, so his attacks became more predictable. Barely even a feat.

Changed Sasaki’s old Fear Manipulation listing into Limited Perception Manipulation, based on his performance replicating the image of a snake capturing its prey.

This is just Ishida drawing an image to compare Kaneki's movements to, Kaneki didn't literally make Urie see a snake. I think it's a big stretch of the imagination to assume so.

Added Limited Attack Reflection to Post-Rose Kaneki, scaling from Suzuya being able to deflect dozens of kagune projectiles and redirect them to the sides.

Idk if this standard has been applied to a page or not yet, but using technique to deflect projectiles shouldn't be Attack Reflection, even limited.

Expanded Enhanced Information Analysis and Enhanced Analytical Prediction, as Kaneki could completely predict Arima.

Completely predict Arima... in what way? All he did was exploit Arima's blind spot. I don't think that requires any real advanced predictive skill.

Expanded Absorption, as Kaneki can eat and instantly digest opponents with his kagune, scaling above Uta, who can swallow opponents whole.

I don't see how this would add to absorption. Kaneki biting someone's face off and digesting them wouldn't be absorption.

Added Enhanced Instinctive Action to Post-Dragon Kaneki, as he unleashed a barrage of kagune without conscious intent.

I can see how this might be interpreted that way, but I think this is just Kaneki resolving himself to use his power despite the potential consequences and being surprised at how strong he's gotten. I don't think his kagune literally unleashed itself on its own.

Expanded Reactive Evolution and Accelerated Development, specifying growth through battle and damage, affecting both physical statistics and abilities. This includes Kaneki’s physiology changing, adapting, and becoming strong enough to blitz and one-shot Furuta.

He didn't blitz Furuta, Furuta just got distracted by his visions of knocking up Rize, this is just him off-guarding Furuta, but ig the one-shot thing does still work since he was initially getting his ass beat but then rebounded.

Expanded resistance to Biological Manipulation, since Kaneki retains human genetics despite his acquired ghoul physiology.

Assuming you are referring to Nishio saying that Kaneki isn't a ghoul— human and ghoul genetics aren't that different beyond the presence of RC cells. They even say as much, which is why human and ghoul medical treatment is basically identical. The reason that Kaneki's body ages at an accelerated rate is because of his half-ghoul nature, and people in the story call Kaneki a human a bunch of times despite being part ghoul, so idt Kaneki has some special biological resistance.

Added resistance to Pain Manipulation, due to Kaneki enduring Yamori’s torture and twisting his own leg to escape grabs and counterattack.

This is just pain tolerance.

Added resistance to Biological Deconstruction, since RC suppressants disrupt RC cells and disintegrate kagune, but Kaneki’s kagune limbs do not disintegrate despite absorbing the RC suppressor.

RC suppressant doesn't disintegrate a ghoul's limbs. A ghoul's limbs aren't made of RC cells. All RC suppressant does is dissolve a kagune, not a ghoul's body. This isn't a resistance, the thing that's happening shrimply isn't happening.

Added Unconventional Biological Information Analysis resistance, since Kaneki’s new anatomy is beyond the scope of biological knowledge.

I don't understand how his biology being too complex for baseline human knowledge to operate on (which makes complete sense, as Kaneki is a completely new type of being) functions as any kind of resistance whatsoever.

Added Unconventional resistance to Pressure Points and Pain Manipulation, since Post-Dragon Kaneki’s body is composed of kagune and lacks conventional pressure points or pain receptors.

I'm pretty sure Kagune still feel pain, but pressure points works.

Haven't looked over the profile in full detail quite yet, but beyond this, everything should be good.

 

[Arkenis]

This is just pain tolerance.

I think a lot of people just forgot we don't list pain tolerance as a resistance anymore.

I don't understand how his biology being too complex for baseline human knowledge to operate on (which makes complete sense, as Kaneki is a completely new type of being) functions as any kind of resistance whatsoever.

Only thing that stuck out weird when I read. The scans aren't even them analyzing him in any supernatural way.

I don't see how this would add to absorption. Kaneki biting someone's face off and digesting them wouldn't be absorption.

Ghouls heal quickly from eating iirc.

 

[Foriaa]

This doesn't really mean much; he was just getting Amon angrier, so his attacks became more predictable. Barely even a feat.

He was rage baiting Amon, however, the follow up being "relax and study his movements" implies there's some level of analysis happening, although I would agree it would be far more limited compare to his later keys.

Idk if this standard has been applied to a page or not yet, but using technique to deflect projectiles shouldn't be Attack Reflection, even limited.

Do you mind clarifying further?

Completely predict Arima... in what way? All he did was exploit Arima's blind spot. I don't think that requires any real advanced predictive skill.

By setting up the Kagune's in a manner where he made Arima attack one of the tentacles, and then going behind to get at his blindspot.

This is just pain tolerance.

Is there a page for this?

RC suppressant doesn't disintegrate a ghoul's limbs. A ghoul's limbs aren't made of RC cells. All RC suppressant does is dissolve a kagune, not a ghoul's body. This isn't a resistance, the thing that's happening shrimply isn't happening.

It's referring to his kagune, not his arms or anything, I'll have to ask Nik since he added that into there from what I can recall.

I don't see how this would add to absorption. Kaneki biting someone's face off and digesting them wouldn't be absorption.

It's a simple Ghoul ability, Kaneki can eat other ghouls and absorb their RC cells, we see this Kaneki eating Yamori's Kagune, or Eto's Kakuja. He's absorbing their RC cells directly into his Kakuho to empower himself.

 

[Foriaa]

Removed Unconventional Biological Information Analysis resistance, since Kaneki’s new anatomy is beyond the scope of biological knowledge.

He didn't blitz Furuta, Furuta just got distracted by his visions of knocking up Rize, this is just him off-guarding Furuta, but ig the one-shot thing does still work since he was initially getting his ass beat but then rebounded.

His RE/AD amps providing a blitz amp also include what he did to the dragons that nearly consumed him.

 

[azontr]

He was rage baiting Amon, however, the follow up being "relax and study his movements" implies there's some level of analysis happening, although I would agree it would be far more limited compare to his later keys.

That I can understand, but that should be highlighted in the justification, since a casual reader probably wouldn't understand where the ability is coming from just from clicking the links.

Do you mind clarifying further?

Attack Reflection as an ability must refer to a power in which a major or direct aspect is dedicated to reflecting or deflecting some form of action. Reflection/deflection as a secondary power, such as using Telekinesis to redirect something, Elemental Control to redirect its respective element, or using a barrier that happens to cause ricochet on projectiles, would not be considered as Attack Reflection, as those aspects are secondary effects of a primary power.

From the page itself. Attack Reflection needs to be some kind of ability specifically dedicated to reflection. The reflection can't come from a secondary action or power, such as swinging a weapon and knocking a projectile away. You can also ask staff members, since I was initially informed of this by @Vietthai96.

By setting up the Kagune's in a manner where he made Arima attack one of the tentacles, and then going behind to get at his blindspot.

That's not really a prediction then, no? He set up bait, Arima took the bait, and he exploited it. There's no real precognitive analysis involved from just the physical showings.

Is there a page for this?

No. You just list the feats in the stamina section/willpower stuff.

It's referring to his kagune, not his arms or anything, I'll have to ask Nik since he added that into there from what I can recall.

I misread it, didn't see the word 'kagune,' it's fine now.

It's a simple Ghoul ability, Kaneki can eat other ghouls and absorb their RC cells, we see this Kaneki eating Yamori's Kagune, or Eto's Kakuja. He's absorbing their RC cells directly into his Kakuho to empower himself.

That's... just how cannibalism in TG works, I think. RC cells are stored in the kagune/kakuho. You eat the kagune, you digest the RC Cells. I don't think that's any kind of absorption ability.

 

[Arkenis]

Removed Unconventional Biological Information Analysis resistance, since Kaneki’s new anatomy is beyond the scope of biological knowledge.

I would add that in immortality for him if anything.

 

[Foriaa]

That I can understand, but that should be highlighted in the justification, since a casual reader probably wouldn't understand where the ability is coming from just from clicking the links.

Will do.

From the page itself. Attack Reflection needs to be some kind of ability specifically dedicated to reflection. The reflection can't come from a secondary action or power, such as swinging a weapon and knocking a projectile away. You can also ask staff members, since I was initially informed of this by @Vietthai96.

Oh I see, I think I remember Yu having something like this? Deflecting attacks using punches, I'm not sure if that was Attack Reflection or not, I'll remove this one though

That's... just how cannibalism in TG works, I think. RC cells are stored in the kagune. You eat the kagune, you digest the RC Cells. I don't think that's any kind of absorption ability.

Yea, wouldn't this be some form of biological absorption?

• Biological Absorption: The user can absorb other living beings into their own body, often breaking them down into energy or gaining their abilities, power, or memories. Sometimes, people that are absorbed in this manner aren't killed, but merely stored inside the body of the being that has absorbed them.

He's swallowing them, then taking their RC cells from their body and storing it within the Kakuho for more power, he can do this to himself too, like how Touka ate a part of herself to grow stronger.

 

[azontr]

Oh I see, I think I remember Yu having something like this? Deflecting attacks using punches, I'm not sure if that was Attack Reflection or not, I'll remove this one though

Well I'd have to remove that from Yu's page one of these days lol, I put it there when the standards were different.

Yea, wouldn't this be some form of biological absorption?

I presume biological absorption would be more like, touching somebody and assimilating their flesh or w/e. Idt eating someone and taking in natural nutrients from their body exactly counts in the same vein as an ability that can like, actually absorb biological matter.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

The rework looks fine to me.

 

[Foriaa]

Well I'd have to remove that from Yu's page one of these days lol, I put it there when the standards were different.

I mean, it seems fine though ? Like of course it's far more limited than someone with conventional attack reflection like Meliodas or Daemon, but Attack Reflection via skill for low tier's is kinda nice. I think some characters from Kengan have it as well?

I presume biological absorption would be more like, touching somebody and assimilating their flesh or w/e. Idt eating someone and taking in natural nutrients from their body exactly counts in the same vein as an ability that can like, actually absorb biological matter.

What about narrowing the claim down a bit so it doesn't overstate what Kaneki can actually do? I don't want people thinking that Kaneki can absorb you on some Majin Buu shit, but would require him to consume you first. It's accepted already on the Ghouls page like this :

• Limited Biological Absorption (Ghouls who consume other Ghouls Kakuhous gain their kagune)

 

[azontr]

I mean, it seems fine though ? Like of course it's far more limited than someone with conventional attack reflection like Meliodas or Daemon, but Attack Reflection via skill for low tier's is kinda nice. I think some characters from Kengan have it as well?

I don't make the rules, I just follow them.

What about narrowing the claim down a bit so it doesn't overstate what Kaneki can actually do? I don't want people thinking that Kaneki can absorb you on some Majin Buu shit, but would require him to consume you first. It's accepted already on the Ghouls page like this :

• Limited Biological Absorption (Ghouls who consume other Ghouls Kakuhous gain their kagune)

Ig this works, but if it's already on the ghoul phys page, does it need to be on Kaneki's?

 

[Arkenis]

I mean, it seems fine though ? Like of course it's far more limited than someone with conventional attack reflection like Meliodas or Daemon, but Attack Reflection via skill for low tier's is kinda nice. I think some characters from Kengan have it as well?

You can't add that anyway. Kaneki isn't who did it.

 

[Foriaa]

I'll remove it for now, it's mostly skill scaling, not sure what the consensus for that is on this site.

 

[azontr]

Personally, I don't have a problem with Kaneki scaling to Juuzou's feat but w/e profile looks fine otherwise, if I notice anything else iffy I'll bring it up.

 

[Arkenis]

I'd say if yall want that, should add it for a Dove page but that's besides the point.

 

[M2u12]

Lowkey I think I need to address this, if there’s something wrong with the profile, it’s probably on me. I did almost everything alone (Except for intelligence) with virtually no one to consult, and I burned out multiple times before transferring the project over to Foriaa. You guys can blame me for that

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

profile looks pretty good, meh on the abilities

 

[NikHelton]

It seems the standards for attack reflection have indeed changed, so it's okay that it was removed.

Regarding absorption and pressure point resistance for kagune, that was already implemented, so it didn't need to be added to the thread.

 

[Nierre]

profile looks okay at a glance nice job to everyone involved

 

[NikHelton]

profile looks okay at a glance nice job to everyone involved

Can you tag @FinePoint, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Vietthai96, @Godernet please?

 

[Nierre]

Can you tag @FinePoint, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Vietthai96, @Godernet please?

@FinePoint, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Vietthai96, @Godernet

 

[DavidTPPM]

You should make a notes list explaining all the specific value origins because I'm looking at ts and I'm super confused about half of it. Something like

• Poopoo arc Kaneki's 8A value scales 5x above X calc because [reason]
• Peepee arc Kaneki's 8A value scales 1.5x above Poopoo arc Kaneki because [reason]

Because like, I can't find where the low 7C value comes from. Or why there's multiple 8A calcs.