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He should have a key of emperor Pilaf arc
An it should be
Building level(stronger than Goku), up to Mountain level(destroyed the mount frypan)
Additionally, his key for tournament 21 should be
Building level+, Mountain level with kamehameha
(In the second key I'm referring to a Kamehameha that's not as charged as the one that destroyed the moon.
I've been told that he don't increased his powers, so basically it would be to put Emperor Pilaf - 21st Tournament and put the level in the middle of the feat of destroying the moon and his base level
Ah, and One thing I noticed, Goku post korin should scale to >Mach 8, not 7.1, since he scales of tao Pai pai,
and Goku(Emperor pilaf arc) should be >0.8 Mach
Goku got stronger and then got a x2 so The scale is not contradicted
Goku post tail regrow(it happens at the start of 21st Tournament) should be x2 Goku Emperor pilaf arc so Goku 21st Tournament should be: >1.488 tons(It has a 1.45 tons supports the scale)
Goku red ribbon saga should be 1/2 post korin, so Mach 4
Dragon ball classic speed ratings
Rather than improving, it's about giving him an exact speed rating, since Goku already has those tiers in his respective keys.
They should list a Mach 2.7 in Goku's Supersonic 21st Tournament
I didn't want to go beyond Piccolo Daimao because there are more Multipliers there, and right now they're looking at all that speed feat stuff.
After Goku 0.3c there's a feat of 0.54c so it should be fine
Summary:
Kid goku(Emperor pilaf arc) >Mach 0.8
Kid Goku (21st Tournament arc): >Mach 2.7 & >1.488 tons
Kid Goku(red ribbon arc): >Mach 4
Kid Goku(post korin): >Mach 8
Kid goku(22nd Tournament): >0.1c
(X10 as an Oozaru in the four)
Piccolo daimao: >0.2c
Goku(choshinsui)/young piccolo: >0.3c
Agree: @BoastJr @Nonynho @ComicCalc(all Three with the First two points)
Disagree:
An it should be
Building level(stronger than Goku), up to Mountain level(destroyed the mount frypan)
Additionally, his key for tournament 21 should be
Building level+, Mountain level with kamehameha
(In the second key I'm referring to a Kamehameha that's not as charged as the one that destroyed the moon.
I've been told that he don't increased his powers, so basically it would be to put Emperor Pilaf - 21st Tournament and put the level in the middle of the feat of destroying the moon and his base level
Ah, and One thing I noticed, Goku post korin should scale to >Mach 8, not 7.1, since he scales of tao Pai pai,
and Goku(Emperor pilaf arc) should be >0.8 Mach
Goku got stronger and then got a x2 so The scale is not contradicted
Goku post tail regrow(it happens at the start of 21st Tournament) should be x2 Goku Emperor pilaf arc so Goku 21st Tournament should be: >1.488 tons(It has a 1.45 tons supports the scale)
Goku red ribbon saga should be 1/2 post korin, so Mach 4
Dragon ball classic speed ratings
Rather than improving, it's about giving him an exact speed rating, since Goku already has those tiers in his respective keys.
They should list a Mach 2.7 in Goku's Supersonic 21st Tournament
The Oozaru increases speed; the drawback is maneuverability, not velocity
The claim that the Oozaru form does not increase speed is based on a misinterpretation of statements that clearly refer to mobility limitations, not to a lack of speed scaling.
Paragus’ line about “using the power of the Oozaru without the slow movements” is describing a biomechanical issue inherent to large bodies: when a character undergoes a massive increase in size, their rotational inertia increases, which directly affects how easily they can turn, adjust direction, and perform precise movements. This results in reduced agility and maneuverability, but it does not imply any reduction in raw speed or movement output. The statement is therefore addressing how the Oozaru body handles movement, not how fast it can move in a straight line or in bursts. Broly avoids this drawback simply because he retains a humanoid form, eliminating the handling issues associated with gigantism.
This interpretation is directly supported by explicit canonical evidence in Dragon Ball. During the Saiyan Saga, Goku states that Vegeta in Oozaru form is “too fast,” to the point that not even a Kaioken x5 is sufficient to catch him. Since Kaioken is a multiplier that enhances all combat-relevant stats, including speed, this establishes a direct comparison where Oozaru Vegeta exceeds an already amplified speed state. If the Oozaru transformation did not increase speed—or worse, reduced it—there would be no reason for Goku to be unable to keep up. This is not indirect scaling; it is a clear in-universe statement confirming that Oozaru amplifies speed alongside power.
Furthermore, the internal logic of the series reinforces this. In Dragon Ball, transformations and multipliers consistently scale all primary physical attributes: strength, durability, speed, and reaction time. There is no established precedent for a form that multiplies power but excludes speed unless explicitly stated otherwise, which is not the case here. With Oozaru’s ×10 increase, both force generation and kinetic output rise proportionally. While the body’s mass is significantly greater, the increase in strength compensates for it, allowing the character to maintain high-speed movement. What changes is not how fast the character can move, but how efficiently they can control that movement.
Official descriptions further support this distinction. Broly is stated to use the power of the Oozaru "without the limited mobility of the Oozaru form."
The wording is precise: “limited mobility” refers to difficulty in maneuvering, not to reduced speed. If the form actually decreased velocity, that would be a critical attribute and would be explicitly mentioned. Instead, all sources consistently isolate the drawback to maneuverability.
The confusion ultimately comes from conflating “slow movements” with “low speed,” when in context it refers to the clumsiness of a giant body—wide turns, slower directional changes, and reduced precision. These are classic traits of decreased agility, not decreased velocity. A large entity can still move extremely fast in a straight line while being poor at changing direction quickly.
In conclusion, the Oozaru transformation provides a full ×10 amplification that includes physical speed, as directly supported by Goku’s statement and consistent scaling mechanics. The only drawback ever identified is reduced maneuverability due to increased size, not any reduction in speed.
The claim that the Oozaru form does not increase speed is based on a misinterpretation of statements that clearly refer to mobility limitations, not to a lack of speed scaling.
Paragus’ line about “using the power of the Oozaru without the slow movements” is describing a biomechanical issue inherent to large bodies: when a character undergoes a massive increase in size, their rotational inertia increases, which directly affects how easily they can turn, adjust direction, and perform precise movements. This results in reduced agility and maneuverability, but it does not imply any reduction in raw speed or movement output. The statement is therefore addressing how the Oozaru body handles movement, not how fast it can move in a straight line or in bursts. Broly avoids this drawback simply because he retains a humanoid form, eliminating the handling issues associated with gigantism.
This interpretation is directly supported by explicit canonical evidence in Dragon Ball. During the Saiyan Saga, Goku states that Vegeta in Oozaru form is “too fast,” to the point that not even a Kaioken x5 is sufficient to catch him. Since Kaioken is a multiplier that enhances all combat-relevant stats, including speed, this establishes a direct comparison where Oozaru Vegeta exceeds an already amplified speed state. If the Oozaru transformation did not increase speed—or worse, reduced it—there would be no reason for Goku to be unable to keep up. This is not indirect scaling; it is a clear in-universe statement confirming that Oozaru amplifies speed alongside power.
Furthermore, the internal logic of the series reinforces this. In Dragon Ball, transformations and multipliers consistently scale all primary physical attributes: strength, durability, speed, and reaction time. There is no established precedent for a form that multiplies power but excludes speed unless explicitly stated otherwise, which is not the case here. With Oozaru’s ×10 increase, both force generation and kinetic output rise proportionally. While the body’s mass is significantly greater, the increase in strength compensates for it, allowing the character to maintain high-speed movement. What changes is not how fast the character can move, but how efficiently they can control that movement.
Official descriptions further support this distinction. Broly is stated to use the power of the Oozaru "without the limited mobility of the Oozaru form."
The wording is precise: “limited mobility” refers to difficulty in maneuvering, not to reduced speed. If the form actually decreased velocity, that would be a critical attribute and would be explicitly mentioned. Instead, all sources consistently isolate the drawback to maneuverability.
The confusion ultimately comes from conflating “slow movements” with “low speed,” when in context it refers to the clumsiness of a giant body—wide turns, slower directional changes, and reduced precision. These are classic traits of decreased agility, not decreased velocity. A large entity can still move extremely fast in a straight line while being poor at changing direction quickly.
In conclusion, the Oozaru transformation provides a full ×10 amplification that includes physical speed, as directly supported by Goku’s statement and consistent scaling mechanics. The only drawback ever identified is reduced maneuverability due to increased size, not any reduction in speed.
I didn't want to go beyond Piccolo Daimao because there are more Multipliers there, and right now they're looking at all that speed feat stuff.
After Goku 0.3c there's a feat of 0.54c so it should be fine
Summary:
Kid goku(Emperor pilaf arc) >Mach 0.8
Kid Goku (21st Tournament arc): >Mach 2.7 & >1.488 tons
Kid Goku(red ribbon arc): >Mach 4
Kid Goku(post korin): >Mach 8
Kid goku(22nd Tournament): >0.1c
(X10 as an Oozaru in the four)
Piccolo daimao: >0.2c
Goku(choshinsui)/young piccolo: >0.3c
Agree: @BoastJr @Nonynho @ComicCalc(all Three with the First two points)
Disagree:
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