Lookism AP Revision/Downgrade

[CatLover313]

If I were really trying to downgrade Lookism for an agenda, why would I even bother putting 9-B calculations in the thread? It’s honestly getting tiring having to explain that this was never my motive, nor did I even know that Lookism vs Killer Peter was such a heated topic. I’m still new to manhwa as a whole, and many of the Lookism calculations simply seemed inaccurate to me. I even acknowledged that I had just finished reading Lookism.

I only used the Killer Peter verse as a reference because I saw DMUA commenting on a similar calculation as well. It may not seem like much, but accusations like these are a big deal to me, and I genuinely do not want to be associated with that kind of behavior so it is best you don't accuse someone on the basis of "likeliness" . I guess we have to wait for a cgm to comment on this then

I will acknowledge that it’s a very heated topic but I don’t believe it’s some agenda and even if it is, you do have very valid points for most of these that should be addressed. Plus, there have been other downgrade threads from some known verse dislikers but they’ve still been accepted as they did have valid points. In the end, as long as it doesn’t become toxic and the points are something that should be addressed (subjective), it’s fine.

 

[Viott]

Ikr, I js said that change the distruction value accordingly.

And it looks like a cylinder.

I don't think this resembles a cylinder. Because in a cylinder, the walls are straight and the bottom is completely flat. But in this crater, the bottom is bowl-shaped.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I am making this thread mainly due to many calculations that seem really bad to my understanding and should be removed or revised. I will be going from lower to higher. I will only discuss the feats that seem weird or unreliable. I
have just finished reading Lookism, so I might not be fully accurate.

First one
1).Johan kicks Zack

This one assumes the shape to be a hemisphere. Hemisphere is a special case where a sphere is cut in half. There is no evidence to prove this is a hemisphere and I disagree with the chest thickness aswell. Using a spherical cap is much better then hemisphere.

2). Logan punches Alexander hwang

Unlike the calc above, where chest thickness might be debatable, this is completely wrong. Alexander Hwang hits the wall face-first. I don’t know how this was even used here.

3). Warren attacks a gen 0 fighter

Same as the above reason. There isn't evidence to show that the gen 0 guy was completely in the crater. Crashing into a wall really doesn't give the justification for using chest thickness. The main reason I am trying to remove/ revise these old calculations is because I am seeing some influences on the newer ones which use chest thickness to get higher volumes then it should.

4). Hudson pieces a rock (same as 1)

Moving on to 9-A calculations.

5). Jaegyeon Na creates a Crater

I don't have much against this other then the material that is being used here. I really don't believe we should use concrete for every type of material that we see. If a material completely dwarfs another in quantity then sure we can use the material that is more in quantity but there is no other visible material asides from brick of course. Here is an actual brick road in real life and this is really close to the material we see in the calculation itself. I have no other problem with this calculation.

6).Jaegyeon makes huge hole in wall

This calculation uses a smaller reference object when little Daniel is standing on his full height. I don't understand how this even got accepted in the first place. If there is something I missed here then you can remind me.

Finally we are at 9-A + calculations

7). Jinyoung park creates crater

The main problem with this calc is that the depth is 1.8 meters. That is a lot in comparison, considering Jinyoung, the one who did it, is also 1.8 meters tall. I am not just trying to revise it because 1.8 meters is too much, but also because there are some panels afterward that suggest this crater might actually just be another basement hulk.
To prove this is really inconsistent I have some examples like this one. I have drawn a red boundary around the destroy area of the road. This is definitely not looking like a 1.8 meter deep and 10 meter long crater. I directly asked viott about this issue in the blog itself but he disregarded it as just special effects which is extremely wrong. We can clearly see that outside the red boundary there is no sign of destruction that indicates a 10 meter long crater.

Another one is here. From this example alone, the 1.8-meter crater argument should be dismissed entirely. There is no other destruction caused by Kitae or Jinyoung that would support this interpretation being inaccurate that we could say that the crater is not the same one.

To better understand this claim, reading Chapter 601 is highly recommended. The edge of Jinyoung's crater in this panel completely undermines the idea of the crater having a depth of 1.8 meters, making it look unrealistic.

Another point to add is that if the crater were truly 1.8 meters deep, then Jinyoung running straight toward Kitae, who was technically outside the crater , should have faced a physical barrier in front of him. Jinyoung was supposedly inside a crater nearly as deep as his own height, yet he managed to pass through it without issue somehow?

I will provide more evidence here

8).Johan is opening a big crater

This will be the final calculation that I will cover in this thread. I am fine with everything else that this calc has to offer aside from the usage of pulverization. This is serve problem as compressing a wall is usually what pulverization stands for but it doesn't mean every type of compression feat you see has to use pulverization. The main issue with this not being counted as pulverization is because it should be way more smoother. The wall itself seems to be on the very verge of breaking apart into many pieces. This calc shows how pulverization was rejected and used fragmentation instead for the reasons dmua explained and this is not actually from lookism rather killer peter ( I know that this is another verse but I think I am allowed to use examples) Dmua rejected the first calculation due to the same reason. I would like to add some of my own thoughts before I give a good example of pulverization. The wall itself looks as if johan had applied more power behind the kick even a little it would all fall apart. I don't get why we using pulverization for this feat? Compression alone is not enough to justify that this is pulverization. It clearly has spider web like cracks on it that shows that the material definitely didn't turn into dust. What I actually learned what pulverization means is when you turn something into powder/dust. Same cannot be said for this feat.

Talking about the good example which is James lee is slammed into the ground . Lucky for me this calculation was evaluated by dmua whose words I have been using all this time. Dmua has accepted this calc but rejected the above mentioned one. The reason being even if the crater is compressed, it is clearly cracked into huge pieces that are about to / on the verge of falling. I would disagree with the usage of pulverization in this calculation and instead promote fragmentation here.


That is it for this thread and if you don't want to read for the 9-B calcs, you are free to look into 9-A and 9-A+ calculations.

You can put me in agree

I am following the discussion around the Jinyoung and Johan calc, though I personally lean more towards agreeing with you on the Jinyoung calc, basement hulk calc got removed for being inconsistent so there is already precedent

Ik people can argue its out of frame but we literally somehow never saw this supposedly 20m wide nearly 2m deep crater ever again

 

[Viott]

You can put me in agree

I am following the discussion around the Jinyoung and Johan calc, though I personally lean more towards agreeing with you on the Jinyoung calc, basement hulk calc got removed for being inconsistent so there is already precedent

Ik people can argue its out of frame but we literally somehow never saw this supposedly 20m wide nearly 2m deep crater ever again

I already explained above why it's consistent. You can go and read it.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I already explained above why it's consistent. You can go and read it.

I reread and I def agree with you on the Johan calc

Though for the Jinyoung calc, wouldn't it be safer to remove it since the new feat we just got would massively upscale both Jinyoung and Kitae nearly tenfold anyway? So its not like removing the calc would change the verse's scaling anyway

Though for the Jinyoung calc, this is just my uneducated non-calcer pleb opinion so do take it with a grain of salt but what if the reason there isn't a nearly 2m tall crater is because the shockwave of Jinyoung's punch cracked/shattred the ground forming it into plates and raised them up temporarily forming the wall we see in the calc image and then they fell back down, that way both of you would be right, and it would make the calc consistent... I think
(Really really really sorry if this is like really stupid and dumb QwQ. I am just trying to help out cuz you're my calc GOAT and I really like everyone on the forum and I want to help out whenever I can :3)

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

I reread and I def agree with you on the Johan calc

Though for the Jinyoung calc, wouldn't it be safer to remove it since the new feat we just got would massively upscale both Jinyoung and Kitae nearly tenfold anyway? So its not like removing the calc would change the verse's scaling anyway

Though for the Jinyoung calc, this is just my uneducated non-calcer pleb opinion so do take it with a grain of salt but what if the reason there isn't a nearly 2m tall crater is because the shockwave of Jinyoung's punch cracked/shattred the ground forming it into plates and raised them up temporarily forming the wall we see in the calc image and then they fell back down, that way both of you would be right, and it would make the calc consistent... I think
(Really really really sorry if this is like really stupid and dumb QwQ. I am just trying to help out cuz you're my calc GOAT and I really like everyone on the forum and I want to help out whenever I can :3)

Bro, what? Lookism is inconsistent with its art style. Even if you're wrong about this topic, that doesn't mean you're dumb.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Bro, what? Lookism is inconsistent with its art style. Even if you're wrong about this topic, that doesn't mean you're dumb.

I said that because I know **** all about physics (only a tiny bit about math) so for all what I know what I suggested could just blatantly make no sense at all lol

But thank you :3

 

[Viott]

I reread and I def agree with you on the Johan calc

Though for the Jinyoung calc, wouldn't it be safer to remove it since the new feat we just got would massively upscale both Jinyoung and Kitae nearly tenfold anyway? So its not like removing the calc would change the verse's scaling anyway

If the calculation is correct, staying on the homepage won’t be a problem.

Though for the Jinyoung calc, this is just my uneducated non-calcer pleb opinion so do take it with a grain of salt but what if the reason there isn't a nearly 2m tall crater is because the shockwave of Jinyoung's punch cracked/shattred the ground forming it into plates and raised them up temporarily forming the wall we see in the calc image and then they fell back down, that way both of you would be right, and it would make the calc consistent... I think

I don’t think the artist planned something like that.

I think it would be better not to make such an assumption without any evidence.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

If the calculation is correct, staying on the homepage won’t be a problem.

I don’t think the artist planned something like that.

I think it would be better not to make such an assumption without any evidence.

Fair enough though what would you consider as evidence so I know what to look for? I think it's worth looking into imo

 

[Powerscalingcat]

If the calculation is correct, staying on the homepage won’t be a problem.

I don’t think the artist planned something like that.

I think it would be better not to make such an assumption without any evidence.

Hmmm after rereading the fight again I think its pretty consistent though I lack the vocabulary to convey my explanation properly so hopefully someone else can read this and make my argument for me lmao, the way I see it instead of them forming a crater the shockwave of the punch raised the ground around them basically making it stand up straight forming the wall we see around them and then it fell back down, so it's kind of the inverse of your calc, instead of the ground Jinyoung and Kitae are standing in going down, the ground around them is going up
Here I drew a very poor artistic rendition of it to highlight the area that doesn't change:
Big red circle of doom and despair

I am pretty sure the area Kiate and Jinyoung are standing in is mostly unaffected

I reread the whole sequence and I think its consistent as we see the broken fragments of the ground piled on top of each other, Jinyoung and Kitae def formed a crater and I do think the size and depth is accurate, but I think its depth of the outer ring surronding them which then fell back down into place

I think this would explain why neither Jinyoung or Kitae had to climb out of a grave sized crater off screen while allowing the calc to remain

You might have to make some tweaks to the calc if you end up agreeing with me but I don't think it would change the result all that much... I think(?)

Also PTJ can get pretty weird with displays of strenght like Gap's punch somehow making steel bend inwards not outwards lol

Edit: Actually now that I think about it I think I am in agreement with your interpretation of it, I think the only thing I would add is that the fragments clearly fell back down after Jinyoung threw the punch which is why the crater is no longer 1.8m and appears shallow, it WAS 1.8m while Jinyoung was throwing the punch and it basically got filled up with the fragments afterwards, I think that would address all of Jager's issues with the calc

 

[Viott]

Hmmm after rereading the fight again I think its pretty consistent though I lack the vocabulary to convey my explanation properly so hopefully someone else can read this and make my argument for me lmao, the way I see it instead of them forming a crater the shockwave of the punch raised the ground around them basically making it stand up straight forming the wall we see around them and then it fell back down, so it's kind of the inverse of your calc, instead of the ground Jinyoung and Kitae are standing in going down, the ground around them is going up
Here I drew a very poor artistic rendition of it to highlight the area that doesn't change:
Big red circle of doom and despair

I am pretty sure the area Kiate and Jinyoung are standing in is mostly unaffected

I reread the whole sequence and I think its consistent as we see the broken fragments of the ground piled on top of each other, Jinyoung and Kitae def formed a crater and I do think the size and depth is accurate, but I think its depth of the outer ring surronding them which then fell back down into place

I think this would explain why neither Jinyoung or Kitae had to climb out of a grave sized crater off screen while allowing the calc to remain

You might have to make some tweaks to the calc if you end up agreeing with me but I don't think it would change the result all that much... I think(?)

Also PTJ can get pretty weird with displays of strenght like Gap's punch somehow making steel bend inwards not outwards lol

Edit: Actually now that I think about it I think I am in agreement with your interpretation of it, I think the only thing I would add is that the fragments clearly fell back down after Jinyoung threw the punch which is why the crater is no longer 1.8m and appears shallow, it WAS 1.8m while Jinyoung was throwing the punch and it basically got filled up with the fragments afterwards, I think that would address all of Jager's issues with the calc

The area shown with the red circle is not important. Because as the diameter increases, the depth also increases.


There is no evidence that the asphalt temporarily lifted upward and then fell back down.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Hmmm after rereading the fight again I think its pretty consistent though I lack the vocabulary to convey my explanation properly so hopefully someone else can read this and make my argument for me lmao, the way I see it instead of them forming a crater the shockwave of the punch raised the ground around them basically making it stand up straight forming the wall we see around them and then it fell back down, so it's kind of the inverse of your calc, instead of the ground Jinyoung and Kitae are standing in going down, the ground around them is going up
Here I drew a very poor artistic rendition of it to highlight the area that doesn't change:
Big red circle of doom and despair

I am pretty sure the area Kiate and Jinyoung are standing in is mostly unaffected

I reread the whole sequence and I think its consistent as we see the broken fragments of the ground piled on top of each other, Jinyoung and Kitae def formed a crater and I do think the size and depth is accurate, but I think its depth of the outer ring surronding them which then fell back down into place

I think this would explain why neither Jinyoung or Kitae had to climb out of a grave sized crater off screen while allowing the calc to remain

You might have to make some tweaks to the calc if you end up agreeing with me but I don't think it would change the result all that much... I think(?)

Also PTJ can get pretty weird with displays of strenght like Gap's punch somehow making steel bend inwards not outwards lol

Edit: Actually now that I think about it I think I am in agreement with your interpretation of it, I think the only thing I would add is that the fragments clearly fell back down after Jinyoung threw the punch which is why the crater is no longer 1.8m and appears shallow, it WAS 1.8m while Jinyoung was throwing the punch and it basically got filled up with the fragments afterwards, I think that would address all of Jager's issues with the calc

That seems quite far, and you need more evidence to support the claim that the asphalt collapsed over time but if you can provide enough evidence then it would seem reasonable .The red line I drew shows that the feat is pretty much inconsistent, as we only see destruction inside the red boundary, while outside of it there is none.

If this were special effects covering the destruction, the area inside the red boundary would not appear genuinely destroyed.

I am still not convinced by Viott’s special effects argument, but waiting for CGM’s input would be the best option for now, since I feel this discussion is going nowhere.

Also, combining this with the source where Viott assumes the depth doesn’t seem correct to me, as that value is based on the average of pre-existing craters on the Moon caused by high-velocity impacts, and applying that to Earth seems inaccurate.

That is why, in my opinion, CGM’s take would be the best here to clarify this.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

That seems quite far, and you need more evidence to support the claim that the asphalt collapsed over time but if you can provide enough evidence then it would seem reasonable .The red line I drew shows that the feat is pretty much inconsistent, as we only see destruction inside the red boundary, while outside of it there is none.

If this were special effects covering the destruction, the area inside the red boundary would not appear genuinely destroyed.

I am still not convinced by Viott’s special effects argument, but waiting for CGM’s input would be the best option for now, since I feel this discussion is going nowhere.

Also, combining this with the source where Viott assumes the depth doesn’t seem correct to me, as that value is based on the average of pre-existing craters on the Moon caused by high-velocity impacts, and applying that to Earth seems inaccurate.

That is why, in my opinion, CGM’s take would be the best here to clarify this.

Fair enough

 

[Powerscalingcat]

The area shown with the red circle is not important. Because as the diameter increases, the depth also increases.


There is no evidence that the asphalt temporarily lifted upward and then fell back down.

Wait ok so can you quickly give me a run down of explanation of what we are assuming happened in the calc, explain it to me like I am 5(lol), are we assuming that Jinyoung punching Kitae caused a crater? And that they are inside said crater?

Edit: I reread the entire convo + the fight again, I think I'll remain neutral for now as both sides provide compelling arguments

Though for how Jinyoung climbed out of the crater even though the panel makes it look like he is running towards Kitae, since the crater is well.. a crater and based on the panels we get inside the crater wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the crater edges are in the shape of a slope (kind of like an upwards hill) and Jinyoung's just ran towards Kitae in a straight line instead of having to climb over it like a wall? Or are we assuming the crater is in the shape of a half sphere?

 

[Viott]

Though for how Jinyoung climbed out of the crater even though the panel makes it look like he is running towards Kitae, since the crater is well.. a crater and based on the panels we get inside the crater wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the crater edges are in the shape of a slope (kind of like an upwards hill) and Jinyoung's just ran towards Kitae in a straight line instead of having to climb over it like a wall? Or are we assuming the crater is in the shape of a half sphere?

I already explained this.

It was never shown that Jinyoung went through the inside of the crater. There’s no reason preventing him from jumping or climbing out of the crater.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I am making this thread mainly due to many calculations that seem really bad to my understanding and should be removed or revised. I will be going from lower to higher. I will only discuss the feats that seem weird or unreliable. I
have just finished reading Lookism, so I might not be fully accurate.

First one
1).Johan kicks Zack

This one assumes the shape to be a hemisphere. Hemisphere is a special case where a sphere is cut in half. There is no evidence to prove this is a hemisphere and I disagree with the chest thickness aswell. Using a spherical cap is much better then hemisphere.

2). Logan punches Alexander hwang

Unlike the calc above, where chest thickness might be debatable, this is completely wrong. Alexander Hwang hits the wall face-first. I don’t know how this was even used here.

3). Warren attacks a gen 0 fighter

Same as the above reason. There isn't evidence to show that the gen 0 guy was completely in the crater. Crashing into a wall really doesn't give the justification for using chest thickness. The main reason I am trying to remove/ revise these old calculations is because I am seeing some influences on the newer ones which use chest thickness to get higher volumes then it should.

4). Hudson pieces a rock (same as 1)

Moving on to 9-A calculations.

5). Jaegyeon Na creates a Crater

I don't have much against this other then the material that is being used here. I really don't believe we should use concrete for every type of material that we see. If a material completely dwarfs another in quantity then sure we can use the material that is more in quantity but there is no other visible material asides from brick of course. Here is an actual brick road in real life and this is really close to the material we see in the calculation itself. I have no other problem with this calculation.

6).Jaegyeon makes huge hole in wall

This calculation uses a smaller reference object when little Daniel is standing on his full height. I don't understand how this even got accepted in the first place. If there is something I missed here then you can remind me.

Finally we are at 9-A + calculations

7). Jinyoung park creates crater

The main problem with this calc is that the depth is 1.8 meters. That is a lot in comparison, considering Jinyoung, the one who did it, is also 1.8 meters tall. I am not just trying to revise it because 1.8 meters is too much, but also because there are some panels afterward that suggest this crater might actually just be another basement hulk.
To prove this is really inconsistent I have some examples like this one. I have drawn a red boundary around the destroy area of the road. This is definitely not looking like a 1.8 meter deep and 10 meter long crater. I directly asked viott about this issue in the blog itself but he disregarded it as just special effects which is extremely wrong. We can clearly see that outside the red boundary there is no sign of destruction that indicates a 10 meter long crater.

Another one is here. From this example alone, the 1.8-meter crater argument should be dismissed entirely. There is no other destruction caused by Kitae or Jinyoung that would support this interpretation being inaccurate that we could say that the crater is not the same one.

To better understand this claim, reading Chapter 601 is highly recommended. The edge of Jinyoung's crater in this panel completely undermines the idea of the crater having a depth of 1.8 meters, making it look unrealistic.

Another point to add is that if the crater were truly 1.8 meters deep, then Jinyoung running straight toward Kitae, who was technically outside the crater , should have faced a physical barrier in front of him. Jinyoung was supposedly inside a crater nearly as deep as his own height, yet he managed to pass through it without issue somehow?

I will provide more evidence here

8).Johan is opening a big crater

This will be the final calculation that I will cover in this thread. I am fine with everything else that this calc has to offer aside from the usage of pulverization. This is serve problem as compressing a wall is usually what pulverization stands for but it doesn't mean every type of compression feat you see has to use pulverization. The main issue with this not being counted as pulverization is because it should be way more smoother. The wall itself seems to be on the very verge of breaking apart into many pieces. This calc shows how pulverization was rejected and used fragmentation instead for the reasons dmua explained and this is not actually from lookism rather killer peter ( I know that this is another verse but I think I am allowed to use examples) Dmua rejected the first calculation due to the same reason. I would like to add some of my own thoughts before I give a good example of pulverization. The wall itself looks as if johan had applied more power behind the kick even a little it would all fall apart. I don't get why we using pulverization for this feat? Compression alone is not enough to justify that this is pulverization. It clearly has spider web like cracks on it that shows that the material definitely didn't turn into dust. What I actually learned what pulverization means is when you turn something into powder/dust. Same cannot be said for this feat.

Talking about the good example which is James lee is slammed into the ground . Lucky for me this calculation was evaluated by dmua whose words I have been using all this time. Dmua has accepted this calc but rejected the above mentioned one. The reason being even if the crater is compressed, it is clearly cracked into huge pieces that are about to / on the verge of falling. I would disagree with the usage of pulverization in this calculation and instead promote fragmentation here.


That is it for this thread and if you don't want to read for the 9-B calcs, you are free to look into 9-A and 9-A+ calculations.

Since we are on the topic anyway I wanted to bring up something that has always bothered me abour the Hudson boulder calc, I apologize if this has been brought up/asked before or if it's a dumb question, but doesn't the fight with Jibeom imply Hudson performed that feat overtime as a form of training and what we are seeing is the end result of said training? We saw in Busan how Hudson trains and its exactly what you would expect he just punches, a lot, lol

In the fight itself we also get the flashbacks in this order Hudson asks Taesoo to train him again -> we see a panel of Hudson's hand covered in blood with Hudson clearly in pain as it looks like Hudson is losing the fight in the present and we get exposition on the king's disciples and Jichang's disciples -> finally we get the end result of Hudson having complete his training and his fist amd then he one shots Jibeom

The way I read it at least, Hudson's training consisted of punching that boulder over and over again and what we see is the end result of all that punching rather than a single punch from Hudson or am I missing something? (Ig you could intepret it as Hudson's intial punches couldn't do anything to the boulder and it was his final completed punch that pierced it?)

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

If the calculation is correct, staying on the homepage won’t be a problem.

I don’t think the artist planned something like that.

I think it would be better not to make such an assumption without any evidence.

Looking back the calculation list of the verse.Are we using the explosion of plane as durability feat for Igor?

 

[Mercury009]

Shouldn't be applicable fully. The calc was mostly made for the explosion itself not how much he actually tanked, which should be a lot less

 

[Viott]

Looking back the calculation list of the verse.Are we using the explosion of plane as durability feat for Igor?

Yes, and AP as well.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Yes, and AP as well.

Why is that? If I am not wrong then 1 of the 3 requirements should be met to fully scale to the explosion which I doubt Igor mets.

 

[Viott]

Why is that? If I am not wrong then 1 of the 3 requirements should be met to fully scale to the explosion which I doubt Igor mets.

I already disagree with the calculation. There is no evidence that he was at the center of the explosion. He would need to use the inverse-square law for that.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

I already disagree with the calculation. There is no evidence that he was at the center of the explosion. He would need to use the inverse-square law for that.

I am also on the same field as you. I just had my doubts that it could be an explosion calc. I think I should add it as well to either remove as it is no point to calc a random plane explosion or to fix it.

 

[Aksh_sky]

I already disagree with the calculation. There is no evidence that he was at the center of the explosion. He would need to use the inverse-square law for that.

I mean ngl, he already scales to higher feats.

 

[Aksh_sky]

I am also on the same field as you. I just had my doubts that it could be an explosion calc. I think I should add it as well to either remove as it is no point to calc a random plane explosion or to fix it.

I don't think calcs should just be removed. The calc can be there just like how the John explosion and the Matthias explosion calc is js there in the KP profile but has no purpose.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

I don't think calcs should just be removed. The calc can be there just like how the John explosion and the Matthias explosion calc is js there in the KP profile but has no purpose.

They are both weapons made by Mathias . This one is just a random plane expansion which was caused by an unknown weapon.
I think we can still find durability from this feat and I am not removing it but trying to revise it.
I have seen people get confused with it and treat it like an AP calc .

 

[Aksh_sky]

They are both weapons made by Mathias . This one is just a random plane expansion which was caused by an unknown weapon.
I think we can still find durability from this feat and I am not removing it but trying to revise it.
I have seen people get confused with it and treat it like an AP calc .

People to get confused? Anyone with average reading comprehension would know that explosion feats shouldn't be scaled to anyone unless evidence is provided or ISL value is given. Same reason why people don't randomly say Matthias is MCB or Yoonsung Lee from Juvenile offender is large building level.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

People to get confused? Anyone with average reading comprehension would know that explosion feats shouldn't be scaled to anyone unless evidence is provided or ISL value is given. Same reason why people don't randomly say Matthias is MCB or Yoonsung Lee from Juvenile offender is large building level.

Unfortunate for you and me. Some people actually do it and I have head people scaling Yoonsung to multi-city block. That would be a different topic which I don't want to go down into.

It would be very safe to either revise if possible but I will have to wait for a cgm. Maybe we could just keep it but I wouldn't like to make this thread very long and it would still be best to atleast wait for a CGM (if ever evaluated)

 

[Powerscalingcat]

People to get confused? Anyone with average reading comprehension would know that explosion feats shouldn't be scaled to anyone unless evidence is provided or ISL value is given. Same reason why people don't randomly say Matthias is MCB or Yoonsung Lee from Juvenile offender is large building level.

'Average reading comprehension'
Son we are lookism readers, even below average reading comprehension is asking for too much, the only comprehension we know is agenda, slander and glazing (I have nothing to add I just want an excuse to talk to you guys :3)

 

[Aksh_sky]

Unfortunate for you and me. Some people actually do it and I have head people scaling Yoonsung to multi-city block. That would be a different topic which I don't want to go down into.

Huhhhh??? For real...FOR REAL??? I WONDER WHO COULD IT BE. COULD IT BE ME? COULD IT BE HIM @WindyAttack ...or maybe both. Idk who are they but they must be bad people who'd scale Yoonsung to MCB, right? Like how that's even possible? I'm not getting it.

It would be very safe to either revise if possible but I will have to wait for a cgm. Maybe we could just keep it but I wouldn't like to make this thread very long and it would still be best to atleast wait for a CGM (if ever evaluated)

There isn't really a place where it's stated that he scales to the whole thing so it doens't need to be explicitly mentioned.

 

[Aksh_sky]

'Average reading comprehension'
Son we are lookism readers, even below average reading comprehension is asking for too much, the only comprehension we know is agenda, slander and glazing (I have nothing to add I just want an excuse to talk to you guys :3)

Haha, true. Agenda doesn't belong to any other sentences that doesn't have 'lookism' in it.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Huhhhh??? For real...FOR REAL??? I WONDER WHO COULD IT BE. COULD IT BE ME? COULD IT BE HIM @WindyAttack ...or maybe both. Idk who are they but they must be bad people who'd scale Yoonsung to MCB, right? Like how that's even possible? I'm not getting it.

There isn't really a place where it's stated that he scales to the whole thing so it doens't need to be explicitly mentioned.

I don't get it. I just heard people scale yoonsung outside of the wiki that high.
I don't really know what you are talking about.

I think I have told you why we should atleast try to do something about it.
If no weapon or a person scales to the feat then why put it in the calculation list?. It would be better to remove it and I have seen people misinterpret the calculation many times.

 

[WindyAttack]

I think yoosungs feat should be calced

 

[Aksh_sky]

I think yoosungs feat should be calced

It is already calced.

 

[Aksh_sky]

I don't get it. I just heard people scale yoonsung outside of the wiki that high.
I don't really know what you are talking about.

Well, if u didn't get it then it's fine but if u heard people scaling Yoonsung that high then it's likely from either YT or Discord, all those calcs are there on Discord. Just don't ask how ik.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Well, if u didn't get it then it's fine but if u heard people scaling Yoonsung that high then it's likely from either YT or Discord, all those calcs are there on Discord. Just don't ask how ik.

Now that you say it. I did notice how some people on YT are scaling lookism to town level and massively hypersonic or beyond. All of them are from questionable chain scaling and calculations that are extermely bad.
That would be something I am not much deeply related to nor do I happen to care much. It is regarding the topic that people would really misinterpret the Igor calc as an actual AP / Durability calc.

Let's end this short discussion here as I don't want to increase the length of this thread with out of topic subjects.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I don't get it. I just heard people scale yoonsung outside of the wiki that high.
I don't really know what you are talking about.

I think I have told you why we should atleast try to do something about it.
If no weapon or a person scales to the feat then why put it in the calculation list?. It would be better to remove it and I have seen people misinterpret the calculation many times.

The reason why this happens is because calcs outside of the wiki don't get evaluated and you get crucified if you dare question it

Obv people can get defensive about their calcs even here but if 2 admins say 'nuh uh' that's final

As a result people will do bad faith calcs that hyperinflate how strong a character is, not bothering to fact check it since higher scaling = good lower scaling = bad
Its basically just agenda scaling lol

This is ESPECIALLY common when it comes to speed

Looksim, reality quest and all other street tier verses all had bad faith supersonic/hypersonic calcs back in the day and there is still a non stop inflow of new bad faith calcs where someone takes a single panel tries to apply slowmo, use snail speed, calc stack using supersonic reaction times as the time in the D/T = S formula etc to get massively hypersonic results and such

This has always been a thing and always will be a thing, there isn't much we can do other than to try and be as objective as we can but at the end of the day we are all human

Though I have to say over the years of me lurking on vswiki I have noticed a LOT of improvement in how objective calcs are which I am very happy about

I still think we have a long way to go but its definitely much better than it used to be

 

[Aksh_sky]

The reason why this happens is because calcs outside of the wiki don't get evaluated and you get crucified if you dare question it

You don't get crucified or something, you simply just run a formal debate, either on text or vc... Doing this for long and that method never stopped working. All u gotta do is being good at debating, thats it.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

You don't get crucified or something, you simply just run a formal debate, either on text or vc... Doing this for long and that method never stopped working. All u gotta do is being good at debating, thats it.

I.. guess? But man ama be deadass I feel like spending God knows how long debating some rando on discord because they used bad math to calc HFBD Vasco as like city level or something is just not a productive use of my time no offense

I say this as someone who used to do debates all the time over anything and everything not just power scaling and I wasn't bad at it but it made me miserable and it was honestly just a waste of time, I don't gain anything by convincing some dude on discord that x character scales to y and I don't lose anything by letting someone believe that x character scales to y even if I disagree with it so I just let it be

 

[Aksh_sky]

I.. guess? But man ama be deadass I feel like spending God knows how long debating some rando on discord because they used bad math to calc HFBD Vasco as like city level or something is just not a productive use of my time no offense

Bad math? I don't think so 'math' is bad in ANY of them, it could just be diffence in args and justifications.

Anyways, i do agree it's pretty much a waste of time but it's still intresting discussing about other topics other than powerscaling in general, like philosophy, theology, onto-theology etc. Debating powerscaling is actually not fun ngl. Anyways, i won't really recommend typing off topic things in this thread so if you wanna talk, we can talk on discord. Here's my tag:

aksh_sky