General Godzilla Discussion

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I can confirm that 1000TonsofFun's post is genuine, as I've seen the same information appear in other publications, including posts from users who have copies of the books.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Evolved Godzilla got slammed with a punch 10× stronger than any of Kong's previous punches and only got briefly knocked unconscious, holy shit!

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Evolved Godzilla got slammed with a punch 10× stronger than any of Kong's previous punches and only got briefly knocked unconscious, holy shit!

Several actually.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Eat your ******* heart out Thermonuclear! XD

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Eat your ******* heart out Thermonuclear! XD

When I’m in a statements merchant challenge and my opponent is Evo Goji:

 

[OrianGAME]

Evolved Godzilla got slammed with a punch 10× stronger than any of Kong's previous punches and only got briefly knocked unconscious, holy shit!

Kong just KEEPS GETTING DOWNSCALES AGAINST GODZILLA

 

[Arceus0x]

Goji's basic atomic breath would defo upscale to 6-A with Goji being at least High 6-B+.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Goji's basic atomic breath would defo upscale to 6-A with Goji being at least High 6-B+.

Is there any evidence that his base atomic breath scales above his physicals? It doesn’t really do much in the movie.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is there any evidence that his base atomic breath scales above his physicals? It doesn’t really do much in the movie.

At best you have it being able to shove around Ghidorah more easily than Goji's actual physicals can but then you have the exact opposite happening with Shimo so its weird.

 

[OrianGAME]

Is there any evidence that his base atomic breath scales above his physicals? It doesn’t really do much in the movie.

Kong can endure his strikes, stomps and tail whips but the AB is a flat oneshot that he runs away from and can ONLY counter with the Axe (bcuz if he tries to take it with durability he kinda gets vaporized)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Kong can endure his strikes, stomps and tail whips but the AB is a flat oneshot that he runs away from and can ONLY counter with the Axe (bcuz if he tries to take it with durability he kinda gets vaporized)

That's because its dura neg hax. The literal only two characters in the verse that haven't had holes blown through them by it were Ghidorah and Shimo. Even the heavily nerfed one he used against the Female Muto killed her eventually despite it being weakened by the MUTOs EMPs.

 

[OrianGAME]

That's because its dura neg hax.

Mechagodzilla uses the same "dura neg hax" energy to amp his punches and a weakended Kong that's massively injured with broken ribs can take attacks from him without getting oneshot like he would with the AB, it's power based.

The literal only two characters in the verse that haven't had holes blown through them by it were Ghidorah and Shimo. Even the heavily nerfed one he used against the Female Muto killed her eventually despite it being weakened by the MUTOs EMPs.

What does this prove? This just proves they scale to the AB it doesn't debunk the AB being > Physicals

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Mechagodzilla uses the same "dura neg hax" energy to amp his punches and a weakended Kong that's massively injured with broken ribs can take attacks from him without getting oneshot like he would with the AB, it's power based.

What does this prove? This just proves they scale to the AB it doesn't debunk the AB being > Physicals

No, Ghidorah was knocked on his ass by it but he didn't get a hole blown through him because he resists it and Shimo was hit by the Supercharged version and yet she didn't get knocked over until Goji physically tackled her.

 

[Arceus0x]

Basically, the atomic breath is the strongest weapon in nature, which puts it above the 74+ teraton value of the earthquake we use.
Since the difference is only 1.02x it should be fine to upscale.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Basically, the atomic breath is the strongest weapon in nature, which puts it above the 74+ teraton value of the earthquake we use.
Since the difference is only 1.02x it should be fine to upscale.

Isn't that part of the same reasoning for 4-B ratings to begin with?

 

[Arceus0x]

Isn't that part of the same reasoning for 4-B ratings to begin with?

and?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

and?

I just feel like it would look clunky on the profile. Just put higher with the Atomic Breath.

 

[Arceus0x]

I just feel like it would look clunky on the profile. Just put higher with the Atomic Breath.

lack of time to rewatch Monarch s1 is the only thing keeping me from nuking 4-B

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

lack of time to rewatch Monarch s1 is the only thing keeping me from nuking 4-B

I thought it was also statements from the novels and other supplemental material on top of Monarch statements that made them that strong?

 

[Arceus0x]

I thought it was also statements from the novels and other supplemental material on top of Monarch statements that made them that strong?

it's basically "Vile Vortices are described as similar to pulsars with similar radiation so they have similar energy"
Also Wingard answering some leading question that the natural phenomena would include space.

I'd honestly nuke the whole rating until Supernova comes out

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Kong can endure his strikes, stomps and tail whips but the AB is a flat oneshot that he runs away from and can ONLY counter with the Axe (bcuz if he tries to take it with durability he kinda gets vaporized)

He almost got killed by Goji stomping on him. Goji’s tail sent him flying. His claws dug into him. It harming Kong doesn’t really prove it’s more powerful. Especially for his Evolved form.

it's basically "Vile Vortices are described as similar to pulsars with similar radiation so they have similar energy"
Also Wingard answering some leading question that the natural phenomena would include space.

On the topic of vile vortices, there’s some new statements about the Hollow Earth and its nature in the Manual

 

[CitRusReality64]

They just be writing anything in the new books

 

[Arceus0x]

I've basically been collecting these screenshots for the past few days, I've like a good chunk of the whole encyclopedia collected

 

[Katipax]

That's because its dura neg hax.

I really don't understand how Godzilla's atomic breath is hax-based.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I really don't understand how Godzilla's atomic breath is hax-based.

Because it screws with matter at a Sub-Atomic Level and has spatial hax since it bypassed the need for a Hollow Earth portal to reach into the Hollow Earth despite it being dimensionally separated from regular Earth.

 

[Katipax]

Because it screws with matter at a Sub-Atomic Level and has spatial hax since it bypassed the need for a Hollow Earth portal to reach into the Hollow Earth despite it being dimensionally separated from regular Earth.

You can just give it spatial hax and give it sub-atomic AP then???

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

You can just give it spatial hax and give it sub-atomic AP then???

There is no such thing as sub-atomic AP, that's just matter hax. It also already has spatial hax on the profile.

 

[Katipax]

There is no such thing as sub-atomic AP, that's just matter hax. It also already has spatial hax on the profile.

By "sub-atomic AP" I mean grant it Sub-Atomic destruction values in calcs. Because there's obviously zero spatial affects on Titans and everything else. His atomic breath is stated to be able to ionise Hydrogen Isotopes as well, which is a Sub-Atomic process, so it has some merit to grant itself Sub-Atomic destructive values.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

By "sub-atomic AP" I mean grant it Sub-Atomic destruction values in calcs. Because there's obviously zero spatial affects on Titans and everything else. His atomic breath is stated to be able to ionise Hydrogen Isotopes as well, which is a Sub-Atomic process, so it has some merit to grant itself Sub-Atomic destructive values.

I'm pretty sure we already do that for calcs involving the Atomic Breath, but that doesn't change the fact that it still has properties that make it not just a regular energy blast. Again, only two characters have ever outright tanked it and one of them tanked it better than they were tanking Goji's physical attacks.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Anything we know from the new book beside Behemoth being the progenitor of elephant (read: SEVEN THOUSAND ******* ELEPHANTS, EAT THIS MAN)

 

[Katipax]

I'm pretty sure we already do that for calcs involving the Atomic Breath.

You don't, because otherwise Base Godzilla would be higher.

Again, only two characters have ever outright tanked it and one of them tanked it better than they were tanking Goji's physical attacks.

Thet're just simply way highee than the likes of the MUTOs, not much to argue there.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

You don't, because otherwise Base Godzilla would be higher.

I'm pretty damn certain we do.

Thet're just simply way highee than the likes of the MUTOs, not much to argue there.

Then explain Shimo taking more damage from Godzilla's physicals attacks than his Supercharged Atomic Breath that he went out of his way to max out and blast her with yet it barely did shit to her when his physicals can actually knock her on her ass.

 

[OrianGAME]

He almost got killed by Goji stomping on him. Goji’s tail sent him flying. His claws dug into him. It harming Kong doesn’t really prove it’s more powerful. Especially for his Evolved form.

It harms Kong MORE than his physical attacks that's why it's stronger, not because it can harm Kong in general

 

[Katipax]

I'm pretty damn certain we do.

He'd be at least Moon level+ at his base if you did.

Then explain Shimo taking more damage from Godzilla's physicals attacks than his Supercharged Atomic Breath that he went out of his way to max out and blast her with yet it barely did shit to her when his physicals can actually knock her on her ass.

Because it's basically a fire and ice battle? Bith of which cancel each other out. And novel context suggests that Godzilla was unsure of if his new form would be affective against Shimo (although this was pre-supercharged), and for that he'd he right. So her ice cold temperature would almost cancel out its heat.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

It harms Kong MORE than his physical attacks that's why it's stronger, not because it can harm Kong in general

It doesn’t harm kong more than the stomp that almost killed him. And it harmed him just as much as the claw slashes that scarred him. @XSOULOFCINDERX already brought up that the supercharged breath against Ghidorah did similar amounts of damage to his physical strikes and that it’s arguably hax. I’d say it’s heat which makes it more effective on Kong, but @XSOULOFCINDERX’s idea that it is due to its atomic hax makes sense to me as well.

Anything we know from the new book beside Behemoth being the progenitor of elephant (read: SEVEN THOUSAND ******* ELEPHANTS, EAT THIS MAN)

There’s the BEAST glove being a 10x force multiplier and being able to generate Magnitude 9.5 earthquakes. I think there’s stuff with Amhuluk being able to survive with just a head, but I’m unsure. Methuselah still exists, and we get new renders for him. Godzilla can seemingly change his cells at will provided he has enough energy. Behemoth is implied to be stronger during the summer solstice. Ion Dragon is Titanus Bakunawa. There should be more but that’s all I remember seeing. My copy hasn’t arrived yet since it comes out a week later here, but once it does I’ll try to provide more information.

 

[OrianGAME]

It doesn’t harm kong more than the stomp that almost killed him.

Kong was still alive for a couple minutes after getting stomped while the AB is an instant oneshot

And it harmed him just as much as the claw slashes that scarred him.

That was a brief split second contact, the FP of the AB is obviously stronger than that

@XSOULOFCINDERX already brought up that the supercharged breath against Ghidorah did similar amounts of damage to his physical strikes

The beam shove Ghidorah around and makes him fall on his ass at one point, his physical attacks dont do this and this would just mean the beam and stats are relative not that the beam isn't stronger

and that it’s arguably hax. I’d say it’s heat which makes it more effective on Kong, but @XSOULOFCINDERX’s idea that it is due to its atomic hax makes sense to me as well.

Mechagodzilla disproves this and just dismissing it as hax is disingenous since superhuman characteristics and conventional weaponry are also hax, are you trying to say Godzilla's physicals are just hax aswell?

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Kong was still alive for a couple minutes after getting stomped while the AB is an instant oneshot

What is the source for the one shot? I remember hearing something like that before, but I don’t remember where from. In GXK anyway, the reason he had to resort to the atomic breath was because the sand made the stomp less effective.

That was a brief split second contact, the FP of the AB is obviously stronger than that

All of Godzilla’s attacks have split second contact times with their opponent. In terms of output per second, they’re probably similar.

The beam shove Ghidorah around and makes him fall on his ass at one point, his physical attacks dont do this and this would just mean the beam and stats are relative not that the beam isn't stronger

Godzilla shoves him through a building physically as well. He throws Ghidorah nearly a hundred metres as well at one point.

Mechagodzilla disproves this and just dismissing it as hax is disingenous since superhuman characteristics and conventional weaponry are also hax, are you trying to say Godzilla's physicals are just hax aswell?

How does MG disprove this? Kong never gets hit by the proton scream. He gets hit by the fists but they probably aren’t as hot as the atomic breath, which left scorch marks on Ghidorah (a physical peer to Godzilla, who can get hot enough to from storms) given that they don’t seem to burn Goji’s skin. It’s a common trope in fiction (and it happens irl as well) that characters/animals/people/things can’t take high heats even if the thermal energy is equal to the kinetic energy that their body can take. For example, we accept Bakugo’s explosions as ignoring durability through heat, as they burn characters that take far greater physical attacks.

Anyway, this is all pre evolved stuff. Godzilla changes in between movies. Maybe his atomic breath is greater than his physicals in KOTM and GVK but it’s definitely lower or equal in G14. His physical push on the female MUTO seems more effective than his atomic breath, as are his bites. GXK is another entirely different form, that is specified to be like Godzilla went through a workout. We’d need to find proof that the atomic output went up proportionally to his physical strength in this form.