Mushuko Tensei High-Tier AP CTR

[Digital_Franz]

Orsted doesn't necessarily have to be serious for the feat to be impressive. But, regardless of that, I do believe you misinterpreted. I do not believe base Eris / Longsword of Light Eris is High 6-A, I believe she's roughly 6-A, maybe 6-A+. That's why her base is in section two instead of one, so, it seems like we agree there. Also, I know the 98% example / analogy is just to give a scope, but in the case or Orsted, negating even 2% of his battle aura is a feat in of itself. But, regardless of all of this, the Gal Farion and Fighting God feats still stand, so eh.

Yeah still stands with SoL.

Just because he didn't complain much, or complain about Alexander, doesn't mean he didn't try a bit. We know Orsted must consevere mana, the point isn't Alexander = Orsted, or Alexander is relative to Orsted, nor is the point Orsted's power, I'm claiming we can use mana consumption for a rough estimate of power. Regardless, it remains a stable for Alexander's power.

I mean yeah he's trying a bit, just trying, nothing like half full power of whatever.

Also, against Alexander (Fighting God Armor), it's a verbatim statement he used half of his MP, and was taking it seriously. It's not hard to assume this is half power. We were also told how important this MP was, my original CRT explained this.

Half of his mana =/= being half Full Power. He burns like 30% of his mana only to Summon Godblade. And his to beat this argument in the dust, he said he used "all his strength" (obviously had to use magic) while Rudeus didn't deal that much of a damage. The strength he always talks about is his mana and not his actual power.

This is a strawman, as this isn't what I said simply.

When you stated it?

But actually, we do. We know most Dragon Gods relied HEAVILY on their stats, and those who didn't had their powers clearly explained (Urpen, Laplace), and we know via Old Dragon's Tale the capabilities of the first dragon god and the dragon generals, which, is where the majority of Orsted's techniques come from anyways. We also know that Hitogami states he has every technique in the world, and we also know and can take note of every technique Orsted actually uses. Once all of this is noted, yes, we do know the capabilities of the last 100 dragon gods, even if that's not my original claim, and we do know all of Orsted's capabilities, my original claim.

You're lwk losing tracks of your claim.

 

[Zabazab]

I mean, the armor surely got partially destroyed and Badigadi killed (from the inside he sure get cooked badly) due to the uge gap in power.

Orsted obviously lacks full context (the explosion was triggered by the Fighting God interfering with Laplace's reincarnation spell thus causing it to backfire and explode) but what he says here is true, the magic was well beyond the threshold what even the possessed Fighting God could withstand.

The Fighting God Armor kept going until the wearer died. And Badigadi was immortal. We had a perpetual motion machine on our hands.

"How did Laplace defeat it?"

"He hit it with an enormous output of magic that overshot its threshold, temporarily annihilating the wearer and separating them from the armor. It created a great rift in the continent that became the Ringus Sea." —Volume 26, Chapter 1, "The Threat of the Fighting God"

 

[Godslayermeli]

Yeah still stands with SoL.

I mean yeah he's trying a bit, just trying, nothing like half full power of whatever.

Half of his mana =/= being half Full Power. He burns like 30% of his mana only to Summon Godblade. And his to beat this argument in the dust, he said he used "all his strength" (obviously had to use magic) while Rudeus didn't deal that much of a damage. The strength he always talks about is his mana and not his actual power.

When you stated it?

You're lwk losing tracks of your claim.

Yeah still stands with SoL.

Fine by me, SoL is apart of base Eris in my CRT, so sure.

I mean yeah he's trying a bit, just trying, nothing like half full power of whatever.

The trying claim and half power claims are seperate, do not equivocatie them.

Half of his mana =/= being half Full Power. He burns like 30% of his mana only to Summon Godblade. And his to beat this argument in the dust, he said he used "all his strength" (obviously had to use magic) while Rudeus didn't deal that much of a damage. The strength he always talks about is his mana and not his actual power.

Not only is this not the case, it's a contradiction. For one, why aren't mana and power equivalent? That seems stupid and there isn't any reason to uphold it. Secondly, what's the source of that 30% number? It's inherently contradictory, as if it were the case, he would've used 30% of his mana against Rudeus, and would've taken 30 years to regenerate (as your scan states). We know verbatim he used 50% against Alexander, and only around 2 years had passed since the Rudeus fight. Thus, after fighting Alexander, he'd only have 22% of his mana. We know he needs at least half to seal Hitogami, and another half to beat Laplace. (check my sector on Alexander), and thus, he'd need all his mana. We know from the dream that's 50-60 years in the future, that Hitogami is sealed. We know Hitogami cannot be sealed till Laplace is defeated, thus, Orsted would've needed all his mana, but given the regeneration rate and time frame, he'd only have 72-82%.

Also, for the “all his strength” thing, did you read your own statement? Did you expect me not to read it? Because it clearly states he won't be able to use all his strength for a while due to having less mana, not that he did against Rudeus. This also supports the idea that mana = power, and you tried to bend it to say otherwise. Please, do read your statements.

When you stated it?

Crossed for a reason, I already addressed this and explained that I infact, did not claim that.

You're lwk losing track of your claims

Not really, all my claims were clarified upon, or granted, or a compromise was reached. The only read it may seem like I lost track is due to the lack of reading from a few people to whom I will not name.

 

[Godslayermeli]

Orsted obviously lacks full context (the explosion was triggered by the Fighting God interfering with Laplace's reincarnation spell thus causing it to backfire and explode) but what he says here is true, the magic was well beyond the threshold what even the possessed Fighting God could withstand.

You yourself just stated why this statement is unreliable, being that Orsted doesn't have full context. I don't see why we should uphold to his statement that the magic was well beyond the threshold. Also, you'd still have to prove that.

 

[Godslayermeli]

Sure.

While I do agree with you, I think it shoud downscale. I mean, the armor surely got partially destroyed and Badigadi killed (from the inside he sure get cooked badly) due to the uge gap in power. From what Badigadi himself stated multiple times, it should have power comparable to that.

Can you please slide the scan where he explained what he did?

How is that even a Full Potential Orsted? It's just Orsted with FGA, and Orsted brutally gaps that thing even without his FP.

Never saw HALF of his power. Please a scan to back-up your claim.

Funny he never even used his father's skills and techniques. The only technique from a Dragon God he uses is Urupen's technique.

Not to be rude but I genuinely wonder how skills and techniques correlate to power. Because with Orsted especially, he uses his arsenal in the most efficient way to beat the crap out ot the fodders without breaking a sweat and wasting his mana for nothing.

True but ig the logic is handling the scaling chain so the profiles can be created later without a CRT.

Can you please slide the scan where he explained what he did?

I was mistaken, he didn't.

How is that even a Full Potential Orsted? It's just Orsted with FGA, and Orsted brutally gaps that thing even without his FP.

Orsted verbatim states he was fighting at his full potential.

Funny he never even used his father's skills and techniques. The only technique from a Dragon God he uses is Urupen's technique.

This is irrelevant.

Not to be rude but I genuinely wonder how skills and techniques correlate to power. Because with Orsted especially, he uses his arsenal in the most efficient way to beat the crap out ot the fodders without breaking a sweat and wasting his mana for nothing.

When did I state they did?

 

[Zabazab]

I don't see why we should uphold to his statement that the magic was well beyond the threshold.

Because Badigadi was annihilated and thus separated from the armor.

 

[Godslayermeli]

Because Badigadi was annihilated and thus separated from the armor.

He wasnt “annihilated”, please read the original CRT, my CRT has a principle of a regeneration cap, and explained why Badigadi ought to scale to this.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Not only is this not the case, it's a contradiction. For one, why aren't mana and power equivalent?

Mana in Joules lmao.

That seems stupid and there isn't any reason to uphold it.

Rudeus and Laplace are prime example. Rudeus can burn his mana like he can't use his mana like Lapalce.

Secondly, what's the source of that 30% number? It's inherently contradictory, as if it were the case, he would've used 30% of his mana against Rudeus, and would've taken 30 years to regenerate (as your scan states). We know verbatim he used 50% against Alexander, and only around 2 years had passed since the Rudeus fight.

And so?

Thus, after fighting Alexander, he'd only have 22% of his mana. We know he needs at least half to seal Hitogami, and another half to beat Laplace. (check my sector on Alexander), and thus, he'd need all his mana. We know from the dream that's 50-60 years in the future, that Hitogami is sealed. We know Hitogami cannot be sealed till Laplace is defeated, thus, Orsted would've needed all his mana, but given the regeneration rate and time frame, he'd only have 72-82%.

You know, use actual scans for all these numbers. You know Orsted needs 50ù of his mana to break the seal and there he has to battle Hitogami at his Full Power right? By your words he won't fight him at full power, which is clearly wrong.

Also, for the “all his strength” thing, did you read your own statement? Did you expect me not to read it? Because it clearly states he won't be able to use all his strength for a while due to having less mana, not that he did against Rudeus. This also supports the idea that mana = power, and you tried to bend it to say otherwise. Please, do read your statements.

Dude read through the lines bruh. I can't believe this. "I so rarely fight with all my strength" when he's talking about his fight with Rudeus which drained him and "I will be unable to fight with all my strength for a while" just after that statement.

Crossed for a reason, I already addressed this and explained that I infact, did not claim that.


Not really, all my claims were clarified upon, or granted, or a compromise was reached. The only read it may seem like I lost track is due to the lack of reading from a few people to whom I will not name.

Woah and you actually have reading comprehension issues?

When did I state they did?

Your claim bruh.