Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread

[CanineAnnoyer]

By the way, I started working on some calcs, expect the blog to be continually updated.


https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CanineAnnoyer/Deltarune_Chapter_5_Calculations

 

[Galactidot]

Oh nevermind drop everything it's barely a debate atp Ralsei is lowkey trans look at ts



Or at least bigender or fluid lmao

 

[Arceus0x]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/rg8TsDItOh

apparently in weird route he doesn't appear to Susie and Noelle

and he tries to ask for G instead of $...

 

[Randomuser3412]

Oh nevermind drop everything it's barely a debate atp Ralsei is lowkey trans look at ts

Lowkey, I walked into that climbing room and got flashbacks to the secret waterfall climbing room in Chapter 4 and immediately left then never went into that building again

 

[Galactidot]

Lowkey, I walked into that climbing room and got flashbacks to the secret waterfall climbing room in Chapter 4 and immediately left then never went into that building again

LMAO

 

[Arceus0x]

Oh nevermind drop everything it's barely a debate atp Ralsei is lowkey trans look at ts



Or at least fluid lmao

indie devs on their way to vaguepost a queer character and spark 1000000000000000000 years of gender debate that ends in murder and doxxing

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So considering the whole princess thing with Ralsei do you think he is


a) Trans

b) Genderfluid

c) Still a feminine boy

d) (theory option) princess living as a 'prince' to fulfill the prophecy



?

Would like A, but I also like C, I think breaking gender norms and still being a boy is just as based

 

[GodlyCharmander]

a whole-ass mountain range in the DW this time around

Ehhhh, that depends on how we calculate the size of the mountain. Plus, the paralax/scenery is implied to be fabricated by Flowery and disappears as soon as Asgore breaks out of his "delusion", fading to black.

 

[Randomuser3412]

indie devs on their way to vaguepost a queer character and spark 1000000000000000000 years of gender debate that ends in murder and doxxing

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes"

 

[Arceus0x]

Ehhhh, that depends on how we calculate the size of the mountain. Plus, the paralax/scenery is implied to be fabricated by Flowery and disappears as soon as Asgore breaks out of his "delusion", fading to black.

Ehhhh not really, it's pretty clearly shown that the sun finally set

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Ehhhh not really, it's pretty clearly shown that the sun finally set

The sun is controlled by Flowery (or it has autonomy since it bops up and down as it pleases), and once Asgore put an end to the "dream", Flowery followed suit. It's not a matter of time, really.

If the background is made to appear beautiful and ideal at all times, then I don't think we can use parallax, or even a realistic size of real mountains. We can, however, scale the Kitsune to the sun and then scale the mountains.

 

[Randomuser3412]

How do we even interpret "Ten feet twenty the Flower Man?" "The Flower Man" is referring to Flowery clearly (the "Flower Man" is waiting for the touch of "his" hand that straightens out petals, which obviously couldn't be talking about Asgore). Is the song supposed to be saying that Flowery is 11'6"? That's not believable at all. Should we just ignore it?

 

[Galactidot]

How do we even interpret "Ten feet twenty the Flower Man?" "The Flower Man" is referring to Flowery clearly (the "Flower Man" is waiting for the touch of "his" hand that straightens out petals, which obviously couldn't be talking about Asgore). Is the song supposed to be saying that Flowery is 11'6"? That's not believable at all. Should we just ignore it?

I honestly interpreted it as saying 10 feet tall, 20 years old, rather than that roundabout way of saying 11'6"

I mean it sounds like something a college guy would have on a dating profile or something lmao

 

[Randomuser3412]

Honestly, it sounds like "the Flower Man" refers to Flowery and Asgore intermittently, which is weird

 

[GodlyCharmander]

How do we even interpret "Ten feet twenty the Flower Man?" "The Flower Man" is referring to Flowery clearly (the "Flower Man" is waiting for the touch of "his" hand that straightens out petals, which obviously couldn't be talking about Asgore). Is the song supposed to be saying that Flowery is 11'6"? That's not believable at all. Should we just ignore it?

The "Flower Man" is Asgore, not Flowery. He is not a flower man, he is a flower.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I wasn't aware Asgore was waiting for the touch of "his" hand that straightens out petals, or the fact that Asgore "lives in a can"

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I wasn't aware Asgore was waiting for the touch of "his" hand that straightens out petals, or the fact that Asgore "lives in a can"

"Ten feet twenty the Flower Man
Is waiting for the touch of his hand
Straightening petals out without a plan
Like the every daily
Wish that bothers the Flower Man
Could I do something to make him laugh
Inside my little chamber made of glass
So he lived the"

Parallels. The Flower Man is also the official title used to refer to Asgore.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I wasn't aware Asgore was waiting for the touch of "his" hand that straightens out petals, or the fact that Asgore "lives in a can"

Metaphors and stuff duh

 

[Randomuser3412]

"Ten feet twenty the Flower Man
Is waiting for the touch of his hand
Straightening petals out without a plan
Like the every daily
Wish that bothers the Flower Man
Could I do something to make him laugh
Inside my little chamber made of glass
So he lived the"

Parallels. The Flower Man is also the official title used to refer to Asgore.

Yeah. That's kind of why I said it refers intermittently to Asgore and Flowery. The "Ten feet twenty" line would be directed at Flowery based on what's said DIRECTLY after that, though.

Metaphors and stuff duh

What the hell is that a metaphor for

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What the hell is that a metaphor for

Asgore's pellets is obv referring to his hair and uhhhh the can is his truck or smth

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The "Ten feet twenty" line would be directed at Flowery based on what's said DIRECTLY after that, though.

Simply easier to make Asgore the one that's 10ft tall, too. So, uh, let's just allow for this interpretation.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Asgore's pellets is obv referring to his hair and uhhhh the can is his truck or smth

And I guess "he" would be Toriel. You learn something new everyday.

Anyway, Flowery is literally a Flower-Man and Asgore is a Flower Man in the sense that he's greatly associated with flowers.

Simply easier to make Asgore the one that's 10ft tall, too. So, uh, let's just allow for this interpretation.

It definitely would be

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

And I guess "he" would be Toriel.

Flowery at it again! I wasn't being serious btw

 

[Randomuser3412]

I wasn't being serious btw

Don't worry. That's totally something I would have said, so I was pretty easily able to tell

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Anyway, Flowery is literally a Flower-Man

Not a man, and like LowTierRalsei would say (at the start of the chapter):

"YOU SERVE ZERO PURPOSE! YOU ARE NOTHING!"

 

[OrangeFR]

I didn’t know this thread was a thing so I’ve been waiting for notifications from the old thread that never came

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Guys i think only we can see the Normal_Npc

 

[Randomuser3412]

Not a man, and like LowTierRalsei would say (at the start of the chapter):

"YOU SERVE ZERO PURPOSE! YOU ARE NOTHING!"

I'm pretty sure Flowery is a man in the sense that he is an adult male and he is a real person (you know what I mean by this, I'm not doing this with you again)

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Someone made a Flowery profile but it's missing a lot of stuff

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I'm pretty sure Flowery is a man in the sense that he is an adult male and he is a real person (you know what I mean by this, I'm not doing this with you again)

I think your philosophy is valid, but it's not present in the story we're discussing. A man is an adult human male, and nothing else. Flowery isn't human, thus, he is not a man (in sense of not being human). He is just a flower with a male identity.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I think your philosophy is valid, but it's not present in the story we're discussing. A man is an adult human male, and nothing else. Flowery isn't human, thus, he is not a man (in sense of not being human). He is just a flower with a male identity.

Come to think of it, Asgore isn't exactly a "human" either, eh?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

(in sense of not being human).

Made sure to clarify because I don't want to sound transphobic

 

[ShockingPsychic]

I think your philosophy is valid, but it's not present in the story we're discussing. A man is an adult human male, and nothing else. Flowery isn't human, thus, he is not a man (in sense of not being human). He is just a flower with a male identity.

This would make Asgore also not a man

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Is Asgore really 10 feet tall or is it just flowery language not meant to be taken literally?

 

[Omegabronic]

Oh nevermind drop everything it's barely a debate atp Ralsei is lowkey trans look at ts



Or at least bigender or fluid lmao

Or genderless, as he sees himself as "not real" object like all other darkners, thus only playing a role

 

[Randomuser3412]

Is Asgore really 10 feet tall or is it just flowery language not meant to be taken literally?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Come to think of it, Asgore isn't exactly a "human" either, eh?

Would be a valid gotcha if the linguistics of Deltarune didn't use man/woman, boy/girl for both humans and monsters since they share the same society, eh? Well, that's too bad.

This is actually a REALLY interesting discussion about how loan words work when cultures merge.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Is Asgore really 10 feet tall or is it just flowery language not meant to be taken literally?

I think he's genuinely like, 8ft via normal pixel scaling. So it's not that far off.

But I do think it could be flowery (heh) language due to the flowers being so much shorter than him.

There's also the word "twenty" here, which complicates things. It's not grammatically accurate by any stretch of the imagination. 10 foot, 20 inches (11'8)? 10 to the power of 20? I don't think it's supposed to be a serious height confirmation

 

[Randomuser3412]

Would be a valid gotcha if the linguistics of Deltarune didn't use man/woman, boy/girl for both humans and monsters since they share the same society, eh? Well, that's too bad.

This is actually a REALLY interesting discussion about how loan words work when cultures merge.

Honestly, Flowery claims himself to be a human multiple times and obviously looks exactly like a human (just with yellow skin). Saying he's "not a man" just because he isn't strictly a human even though that's not how the word "man" is used in day-to-day language (anthropomorphic things are very often called men or women) is extremely weird, especially when THE GAME ITSELF does not strictly abide by the "it has to be a human to be a man" rule.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Would be a valid gotcha if the linguistics of Deltarune didn't use man/woman, boy/girl for both humans and monsters since they share the same society, eh? Well, that's too bad.

This is actually a REALLY interesting discussion about how loan words work when cultures merge.

I don't wanna be that guy, but both supposed "flower men" are present in this image lol