General DC Comics Discussion Thread

[PRIDEXEGO]

So existence exists as a flaw in the overvoid which shocked the overvoid and in turn it created the monitors to investigate it.

Existence was also made by the source, which gave the 7 forces of creation to the hands like perpetua to create multiverses.

These two stories of creation are contradictory since the overvoid=source.

Comics always have contradictory statement because of different writters.
The supremen being as mentioned here in wikki is "Unknowable".
I like to image source, overvoid and presence as face of the supreme being. Source being the ink, overvoid being his body and presence being the action. Ofcourse this is all my headcanon.
However what is not headcanon.
Pepertua came from the greater omniverse as the hand of the "presence, of the source" sent by judges of the source to create DC in overvoid. She pulled monitors, world forger and antimonitors from the overvoid.

Why "presence, of the source" ? Because DC write it like to confuse this even more I think.
In imaginary axis video Synder did said that vertigo creation happen after perpetua creation. If we take interview as canon idk if thats valid here.

 

[KirbyFan03]

So existence exists as a flaw in the overvoid which shocked the overvoid and in turn it created the monitors to investigate it.

Existence was also made by the source, which gave the 7 forces of creation to the hands like perpetua to create multiverses.

These two stories of creation are contradictory since the overvoid=source.

You also have instances where The Source has shown superiority over The Overvoid

 

[PRIDEXEGO]

Presence is also mentioned as supreme being in DC in the "A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained".
But you look at the play of word they only mentioned Omniverse not Greater Omniverse and it could also be calling perpetua the supreme being not the Presence, even though she is hand of the Presence.

It get bit confusing because in lucifer series the ball that Monopoly man version of presence had in his hand was called totality. And perpetua used totality to create the multiverse? Maybe just a word play.

 

[Wirtzwest]

If Mothernight was the supreme being in Veritgo then Dream of the endless would not have stated "lucifer is the most powerful thing beside his creator" he would have said " he is the most powerful thing after mother night and his creator".
They are just the creator of endless not everything its when night and time meet creation are formed the the force that make them meet is void is stronger than them. Its like hecate she is was created with birth of sphere of gods but she did not cause her birth itself. Entire creation was created by perpetua during that process sphere of gods birth was happened with birth of Hecate.

Conceptually she is and you need to realise in vertigo there are other creations where lucifer and his father have no domain over. The only one who can surpass her is the monad described in the dreaming by spurrier.

 

[Wirtzwest]

Presence is also mentioned as supreme being in DC in the "A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained".
But you look at the play of word they only mentioned Omniverse not Greater Omniverse and it could also be calling perpetua the supreme being not the Presence, even though she is hand of the Presence.

It get bit confusing because in lucifer series the ball that Monopoly man version of presence had in his hand was called totality. And perpetua used totality to create the multiverse? Maybe just a word play.

The top dogs in DC is the overvoid(Morrison), source or dematteis God. Lucifer cannot survive in the overvoid and the void he went to was not the same as the overvoid.

 

[Wirtzwest]

You also have instances where The Source has shown superiority over The Overvoid

Depends which source we are talking about and which kind of overvoid.

 

[PRIDEXEGO]

The top dogs in DC is the overvoid(Morrison), source or dematteis God. Lucifer cannot survive in the overvoid and the void he went to was not the same as the overvoid.

This is highly inconsistent because perpetua created DC multiverse in Overvoid and perpetua creation last for 20billion years and Lucifer saw all 20billion year history of creation in blink of eye before flewing in the void.
Perpetua even rented monitors, world forger and anitmonitos from the overvoid itself its literally stated.
Synder said the Lucifer creation is after the Perpetua creation.
Overvoid is said void many times.
You just cant say void in lucifer series in not overvoid when everything line up together.

 

[PRIDEXEGO]

Conceptually she is and you need to realise in vertigo there are other creations where lucifer and his father have no domain over. The only one who can surpass her is the monad described in the dreaming by spurrier.

If she was the superme being dream of the endless would know about it and would not call lucifer the strongest. She is like hecate if anything merger of night and time create creation which birthed endless and force that make them meet are creators and that is exactly what lucifer did two times. Or any hand of the presence/source does.

 

[Wirtzwest]

If she was the superme being dream of the endless would know about it and would not call lucifer the strongest. She is like hecate if anything merger of night and time create creation which birthed endless and force that make them meet are creators and that is exactly what lucifer did two times. Or any hand of the presence/source does.

How can lucifer be the strongest when he himself is bounded by destiny? A primal nothingness before creation is equal to a magical being who was dreamt into existence. Fairs.

 

[PRIDEXEGO]

How can lucifer be the strongest when he himself is bounded by destiny? A primal nothingness before creation is equal to a magical being who was dreamt into existence. Fairs.

? Its not my word its the word of favourite son of mother night himself. Why would I make things up. If you want scan I find it for you. Also lucifer is said to pass between multiverses in series 2.

 

[KirbyFan03]

How can lucifer be the strongest when he himself is bounded by destiny? A primal nothingness before creation is equal to a magical being who was dreamt into existence. Fairs.

Didn't he tear Destinies book and escaped The Presences plan?

 

[PRIDEXEGO]

Do you scale monitor, anit-montors above lucifer and all endless then I can see the logic you are coming from as you consider lucifer from and vertigo presence as being from sphere of gods below monitor sphere and bleed.
But I am coming from the point that their creation are two different creations like what synder said. Lucifer creation is after perpetua creation. The fact he can watch entire 20billion years of rise and fall of creation which is life span of DC creation that perpetua created says itself.

 

[KirbyFan03]

Do you scale monitor, anit-montors above lucifer and all endless then I can see the logic you are coming from as you consider lucifer from and vertigo presence as being from sphere of gods below monitor sphere and bleed.
But I am coming from the point that their creation are two different creations like what synder said. Lucifer creation is after perpetua creation. The fact he can watch entire 20billion years of rise and fall of creation which is life span of DC creation that perpetua created says itself.

Lucifer is > The Hands

On that note there's not really a difference in quantative or even qualitative between DCs 4-6D