One-Eyed King meets Slaughter Demon (Ken Kaneki vs Chun Ma) [9-9-0]

[Testarossa002]

Chun Ma (Succession Arc 2)
AP: 0.6 Megatons, 1.2 Megatons with Demonic Qi, 3 Megatons with RAET
LS: 125 Tons, 625 Tons with with Demonic Energy and RAET

vs

Ken Kaneki (Post Rose Arc)
AP: 609 Kilotons, far higher with Kakuja
LS: 100,000,000 Tons

Speed equalized
Starting Distance: 200 Meters
SBA

Chun Ma: @Testarossa002 @Arkenis @45Saef @GG55HH @DavidTPPM @azontr @Viott @Kage @Kazuma_kuwabara @Black-san112
Ken Kaneki: @DarthSorox @NikHelton @Nonynho @Doggo @LegendariumOfLies @Saqphire @Mikazzzuchi @Maikolpry @Delusionaltx2
Incon:

 

[Foriaa]

What's Chun Ma's usual tactics? I read a bit of Nano machine and don't remember this dude, but I haven't read much

 

[Testarossa002]

What's Chun Ma's usual tactics? I read a bit of Nano machine and don't remember this dude, but I haven't read much

He's kinda a no-nonsense guy and immediately goes for the kill. How to achieve that depends on the type of opp but he'll close the gap first and foremost
He's from the prequel manhwa of nano machine (Myst Might Mayhem) but is mentioned and makes brief appearance in nano machine

 

[Testarossa002]

Bump

 

[DavidTPPM]

He's kinda a no-nonsense guy and immediately goes for the kill. How to achieve that depends on the type of opp but he'll close the gap first and foremost
He's from the prequel manhwa of nano machine (Myst Might Mayhem) but is mentioned and makes brief appearance in nano machine

What does he do specifically tho? He has a bigass list of abilities

 

[Testarossa002]

What does he do specifically tho? He has a bigass list of abilities

With his special eyes, he can "scan" Kaneki and find out any weakness
Seeing that kaneki is a biological monster, he'll go for beheading immediately and when that doesn't work (due to regen) he dices him up beyond his regeneration (something he's done in canon)
In addition, merely wielding his sword inflicts layered mind manip on his opps

 

[Testarossa002]

Bump

 

[NikHelton]

Kaneki's personality is to activate his kakuja almost immediately when he's serious. This grants a blitz and one-shot boost. All of his stats are significantly increased. Kaneki also has resistance to piercing and cutting attacks, unless it's a quinque, so decapitating him won't be easy.
However, Chun Ma has an advantage in skill and adaptability. Kaneki's analytical prediction is certainly good, but in this fight, he'll have to rely on his heightened senses and stats.

The difference in LS allows him to grab Chun Ma even while parrying and smash him.

Chun Ma has an AP advantage with his amp, close to a one-shot boost. According to the wiki, this definitely outweighs Kaneki's unspecified one-shot boost. While his cut resistance and kakuja boost may help him withstand RAET attacks a little better, he will still take significant damage. However, this in turn activates Kaneki's AD unless Chun decapitates him several times.

Summing Up:

Chun's Advantages:

-2x and 5x durability and AP advantage with DQ and RAET;
-Better combat adaptability to Kaneki's style as the battle progresses;
-Better skills;
-Poisonous blood, which makes replenishing energy from his flesh life-threatening;

Kaneki's Advantages:

-Accelerated perception, 2.5x reaction advantage, advantage in attack speed with kagune and blitz amp;
-He activates kakuja at the start of the fight and can one-shot Chun;
-Regeneration;
-Analytical prediction and skills will help him avoid being annihilated in close combat;
-AD will eventually become comparable to RAET if his stamina doesn't run out early;
-Likely better endurance (Chun simply doesn't have a description);
- More flexible attacks and the ability to hit from blind spots;
-Heightened senses and instinctive reactions allow him to close the skill gap;
-An overall advantage in LS gives him an edge in physical combat.

My vote goes to Kaneki high-extreme diff.

 

[DarthSorox]

Following

 

[NikHelton]

Bump

 

[Nonynho]

i'm with Nik, Kaneki FRA

 

[Testarossa002]

Been away

This grants a blitz and one-shot boost.

Normally, yeah
But Chun Ma has a sharingan-like eye that can track the movement of blitz-tier opponents. As for the one-shot, I can see him getting overwhemed in base but not to the degree of a one-shot. And that's assuming he doesn't use DE immediately once he scans Kaneki and sees his power

Kaneki also has resistance to piercing and cutting attacks,

Wouldn't help him much as every single sword strike does internal damage. Blocking/tanking externally won't help as long as he can't protect his internals the same way

Chun decapitates him several times.

Which is something he WILL do once he sees that Kaneki can regen

The sight of the blade user split into six pieces was utterly gruesome.
Cheong-ryeong asked about this.
-Are you making sure?
“Yes. His head is practically gone, but just in case.”
Mok Gyeong-un said this while shaking the blood off his sword onto the ground.
Cheong-ryeong shook her head at Mok Gyeong-un’s judgment.
As always, he was someone who never left any loose ends in such matters.
“Hmm. Since I’ve already cut him up, should I chop the body into even smaller pieces?”
-Right here? Are you going to completely pulverize…

Also, once he's somehow losing, he'll just call upon "Blue Spirit" who can do shit like this in addition to having comparable stats

 

[NikHelton]

Been away

Normally, yeah
But Chun Ma has a sharingan-like eye that can track the movement of blitz-tier opponents.

Kaneki's kakuja is superior to the incomplete kakuja Scolopendra, which blitzes the opponent who created the illusion of teleportation for the basic Kaneki. Add to this the accelerated perception and instinctive actions that allow him to partially evade attacks at a speed faster than his perception, as well as a 2.5x reaction speed advantage. Chun's Sharingan simply wouldn't be as effective here.

As for the one-shot, I can see him getting overwhemed in base but not to the degree of a one-shot

Kakuja literally gives a one-shot amp. Just like AD

Wouldn't help him much as every single sword strike does internal damage. Blocking/tanking externally won't help as long as he can't protect his internals the same way

He simply blocks everything with his kagune, which is a circulating stream of blood-like cells.

Which is something he WILL do once he sees that Kaneki can regen

Kaneki has less advanced compared to Chun, but he also has advantages in speed, reflexes, AD, heightened senses, and IA. He simply won't let them cut off his head.

 

[DarthSorox]

Kaneki FRA

 

[Testarossa002]

Kakuja literally gives a one-shot amp

That's simply not possible due to the stat difference
Chun with DE is already 2.5x stronger. I'm only mentioning light injuries because I can see that Kakuja is a significant gap but it's still unquantifiable numbers wise. At best, he gets a broken bone

He simply blocks everything with his kagune, which is a circulating stream of blood-like cells

That's still ends up the same. Even worse now as he loses the amps he gets with Kagune (unless it regens)

He simply won't let them cut off his head

That's where any of Chun's standard equipment comes in. He can't sense/see/interact with them with one of them having comparable stats

All of this is under the battle state that he doesn't get incapped with mind manipulate from the start of the fight

 

[NikHelton]

That's simply not possible due to the stat difference
Chun with DE is already 2.5x stronger. I'm only mentioning light injuries because I can see that Kakuja is a significant gap but it's still unquantifiable numbers wise. At best, he gets a broken bone

I talking about base Chun

That's still ends up the same. Even worse now as he loses the amps he gets with Kagune (unless it regens)

Yes, he regens it like nothing

 

[NikHelton]

Your vote for Chun?

 

[Testarossa002]

Your vote for Chun?

yes

 

[NikHelton]

3/1/0

 

[Arkenis]

How likely does he use the sword regen neg?

 

[Testarossa002]

How likely does he use the sword regen neg?

Not in this key
He does have regen neg here but not to the degree of Mid regen

However, he can have "Blue Spirit" decapitate or incap himself with the options presented above

 

[Arkenis]

Not in this key
He does have regen neg here but not to the degree of Mid regen

However, he can have "Blue Spirit" decapitate or incap himself with the options presented above

He doesn't need it to any degree due to how it works. But alright Blue Spirit seems like she can win when he summons her, I vote Chun Ma.

 

[Doggo]

KENjaku FRA

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Voting Kaneki FRA

 

[NikHelton]

5/2/0

 

[45Saef]

Voting Chun Ma FRA

 

[GG55HH]

Voting chun ma FRA

 

[Mikazzzuchi]

Voting Kaneki FRA

Speed amplification combined with superior reaction time and better perception is too big of an advantage. Chun's resistance to blitz attacks is good, but it doesn't work when your opponent has superior reaction speed and perception. Essentially, "Sharingan" gives short bursts of heightened reaction, but Kaneki's reaction speed is already higher, and his instinctive actions accomplish the same thing.
Kaneki will have far more opportunities to dodge, attack, and counterattack. Internal attacks against the kagune will be useless, since Kaneki will just grow a new one.

He should win before Chun Ma can use possession. His superior lifting strength should also help him secure the win.

And having regeneration is better than not having it.

I think Kaneki takes this. He takes this match 6–7 times out of 10

 

[Saqphire]

Does Chun Ma have heat res?

Kaneki FRA but I don’t wanna FRA train

 

[NikHelton]

Does Chun Ma have heat res?

Why does he need that in this match?

Kaneki FRA but I don’t wanna FRA train

Counted

 

[Saqphire]

Why does he need that in this match?

I’m just sayin, that’s prolly another win con if he didn’t cuz of like, how lightning works and shit

 

[Testarossa002]

Does Chun Ma have heat res?

Kaneki FRA but I don’t wanna FRA train

Yeah
But in this key, it's limited to scalding heat

Speed amplification combined with superior reaction time and better perception is too big of an advantage. Chun's resistance to blitz attacks is good, but it doesn't work when your opponent has superior reaction speed and perception. Essentially, "Sharingan" gives short bursts of heightened reaction, but Kaneki's reaction speed is already higher, and his instinctive actions accomplish the same thing.
Kaneki will have far more opportunities to dodge, attack, and counterattack. Internal attacks against the kagune will be useless, since Kaneki will just grow a new one.

If he's not immediately dying from the first hit (which he won't due to stat difference), his spirits would immediately show up
Their lives are tethered to his. Unless he explicitly forbids it, they'll show up once they see he's in trouble

 

[NikHelton]

If he's not immediately dying from the first hit (which he won't due to stat difference), his spirits would immediately show up
Their lives are tethered to his. Unless he explicitly forbids it, they'll show up once they see he's in trouble

Before Chun crosses the 1.2 MT threshold, Kaneki will activate his Kakuja and gain a "blitz-and-oneshot" boost, combined with piercing and slashing damage.
So, a fatal wound is far from a fantasy.

 

[NikHelton]

Grace

 

[DavidTPPM]

A combination of layered illusions, superior skill, precog, and duraneg seems like a far bigger advantage than blitz amps. Especially given Chun has a straight up 2x amp that he can start with as soon as he realizes he has to.

I'm voting Chun. Kaneki's arguments require the assumption that unquantifiable speed amps overcome a combination of precog and 2x speed amps which just doesn't work.

 

[NikHelton]

A combination of layered illusions, superior skill, precog, and duraneg seems like a far bigger advantage than blitz amps. Especially given Chun has a straight up 2x amp that he can start with as soon as he realizes he has to.

Heightened senses, instinctive reactions, and long-range attacks will make it possible to balance this out.

I'm voting Chun. Kaneki's arguments require the assumption that unquantifiable speed amps overcome a combination of precog and 2x speed amps which just doesn't work.

Heightened senses, instinctive reactions, and long-range attacks will help balance this out.

Kaneki holds a clear 2.5x advantage in reaction speed, and his Kakuja accelerator boosts his speed to match that reaction level—effectively a minimum 2.5x increase. And that is without even factoring in his accelerated perception.

Furthermore, Kaneki activates his Kakuja at the start of the fight, giving him an advantage over base Chun.

 

[NikHelton]

7/5/0

If within a couple of days the vote does not change the balance by a difference of 3 votes, then it is incon

 

[Maikolpry]

Kaneki FRA

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Chun wa fra

 

[DavidTPPM]

Heightened senses, instinctive reactions, and long-range attacks will make it possible to balance this out.

Heightened senses, instinctive reactions, and long-range attacks will help balance this out.

Yeah it all balances out, which kills Kaneki's only real advantage.

Kaneki holds a clear 2.5x advantage in reaction speed, and his Kakuja accelerator boosts his speed to match that reaction level—effectively a minimum 2.5x increase. And that is without even factoring in his accelerated perception.

Yeah again that's fine, it gets canceled out by DE speed amp taking away Kaneki's only real advantage.

Furthermore, Kaneki activates his Kakuja at the start of the fight, giving him an advantage over base Chun.

And Chun see he needs to use DE and instantly use it too thanks to his info analysis.

Kaneki's only real advantage is the stat difference but with DE and precog that's no longer a thing. It just leaves Kaneki fighting a more skilled more haxxed character who's passively mind haxxing him with illusions.