Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

[BiggestOpp]

Two hundred fifty—what the hell??? Next season, we're going to be getting Mountain sized enemies for sure.

That’s a little lower than I thought it would be.
In this cutscene it’s freaky huge compared to the boss they fought in the story and that mf at least 10 meters in size (eyeballing)


Edit:
I did a quick calc assuming the smaller boss was 10m and got the leviathan over 1,200m.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

what is in yall opinion is the best ost In this game
(I need some nice music to listen to)

 

[Sooshirohl]

what is in yall opinion is the best ost In this game
(I need some nice music to listen to)

60% daily is definitely one of my favorite in-game OSTs and i wish it was played more frequently literally anywhere

i also really like 19%, 39%, 79%, and 99%

as far as EP songs go, pinking, wonderland reverie, damidami, tiny giant, redreaming angel and billy mode are all my favorites (also really like original me)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Vivian is simping so hard for them. XD

 

[Sooshirohl]

finished up the updated billy profile last night and added the suggested changes from masked, if there's no other issues with it then we can probably get it rolled out the next time a CRT is made for the verse

also started working on a cissia profile to round out all the pubsec profiles, since she doesn't have a whole lot of content it wasn't too hard to go through stuff and make a profile for her

 

[Naito-desu]

So Geppetto is roughly 28.2651 meters in length, it's about 67 pixels long while Bashmu is about 604px long making it about 9.01x longer or about 254.81 meters long but this is just rough estimation

Just gonna add another calc for funzies
Using a random snake like a British Adder (70cm in length, 115g weight roughly)

0.115*(254.81/0.7)^3 = 5,546,935.60163 kg
KE using Transonic speed (it was able to fly after Remielle, heavy assumption) = 5546935.60162891*308.7^2 = 126 tons of TNT

That’s a little lower than I thought it would be.
In this cutscene it’s freaky huge compared to the boss they fought in the story and that mf at least 10 meters in size (eyeballing)


Edit:
I did a quick calc assuming the smaller boss was 10m and got the leviathan over 1,200m.

Might be better but idk, it could be a camera trick. Maybe if we compared its head width to the tracks we might get something better or more consistent

 

[Hizack123]

Just gonna add another calc for funzies
Using a random snake like a British Adder (70cm in length, 115g weight roughly)

0.115*(254.81/0.7)^3 = 5,546,935.60163 kg
KE using Transonic speed (it was able to fly after Remielle, heavy assumption) = 5546935.60162891*308.7^2 = 126 tons of TNT


Might be better but idk, it could be a camera trick. Maybe if we compared its head width to the tracks we might get something better or more consistent

Multi city block level huh?

Nice

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I love supporting calcs

 

[PandaCooler]

I feel like Yixuan's intelligence should be raised to Genius.

Yixuan mentions her sister helped her create the Qingming bird. But the only thing we were told is Yijiang came up with talismans that would become part of the Qingming bird.

Yixuan came up with the concept, designed the idea and physically made it (Yijang died before Yixuan had even finalized what she wanted the bird to look like.)


Additionally Yixuan created the Qingming Scabbard which was noted to negate the negative affects of the Qingming Sword. Which in such a case, it should be similar to Tailess' Scabbard, which we're told replicates a Hollow's Labyrinth.

So presumably they're both devices that create noneuclidean spaces.

 

[Sooshirohl]

I feel like Yixuan's intelligence should be raised to Genius.

Yixuan mentions her sister helped her create the Qingming bird. But the only thing we were told is Yijiang came up with talismans that would become part of the Qingming bird.

Yixuan came up with the concept, designed the idea and physically made it (Yijang died before Yixuan had even finalized what she wanted the bird to look like.)


Additionally Yixuan created the Qingming Scabbard which was noted to negate the negative affects of the Qingming Sword. Which in such a case, it should be similar to Tailess' Scabbard, which we're told replicates a Hollow's Labyrinth.

So presumably they're both devices that create noneuclidean spaces.

honestly fair, i've been thinking that she could probably at the very least be bumped up to "at least gifted, likely genius" considering that she was able to make the qingming bird and the qingming scabbard

could probably get addressed in a CRT alongside giving her paralysis inducement which is something we talked about a while ago

 

[LaserPrecision]

Just gonna add another calc for funzies
Using a random snake like a British Adder (70cm in length, 115g weight roughly)

0.115*(254.81/0.7)^3 = 5,546,935.60163 kg
KE using Transonic speed (it was able to fly after Remielle, heavy assumption) = 5546935.60162891*308.7^2 = 126 tons of TNT

Is that thing made out of organic tissue or is it like metal? Because if it is, this lowballs it. You'd need to account for them being made of metal. Which thankfully is easy.

You can either grab the volume of the model through what you already used to calculate its length (just clicking on it will open up a menu that shows its volume IIRC) and the multiply that value by the density of whatever metal seems appropriate. Alternatively you can solve for volume with density and mass by rearranging the formula to calculate mass.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Just gonna add another calc for funzies
Using a random snake like a British Adder (70cm in length, 115g weight roughly)

0.115*(254.81/0.7)^3 = 5,546,935.60163 kg
KE using Transonic speed (it was able to fly after Remielle, heavy assumption) = 5546935.60162891*308.7^2 = 126 tons of TNT

I don’t think the assumption is big at all, that mf was on Remielle’s ass in the cutscene.

Might be better but idk, it could be a camera trick. Maybe if we compared its head width to the tracks we might get something better or more consistent

Measuring off this scene I got 280m for total length using Belle, but it’s a weird angle so technically it could be 300+ meters from this.
It does seem like the initial size you found is more consistent and the 1km size seems to be the outlier.
It’s just hard to accept because when it first appeared it’s clearly more massive than the in game model shows.
Ughhhhhhh

 

[LaserPrecision]

Measuring off this scene I got 280m for total length using Belle, but it’s a weird angle so technically it could be 300+ meters from this.
It does seem like the initial size you found is more consistent and the 1km size seems to be the outlier.
It’s just hard to accept because when it first appeared it’s clearly more massive than the in game model shows.
Ughhhhhhh

That's a common artistic choice in art mediums for more emotional impact/effect. So it's not too weird it happened. Def think the model size is what we should be used since well... it's literally the model they use.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

hope ZZZ gives the 8-Cs an upgrade someday

 

[Naito-desu]

Is that thing made out of organic tissue or is it like metal? Because if it is, this lowballs it. You'd need to account for them being made of metal. Which thankfully is easy.

You can either grab the volume of the model through what you already used to calculate its length (just clicking on it will open up a menu that shows its volume IIRC) and the multiply that value by the density of whatever metal seems appropriate. Alternatively you can solve for volume with density and mass by rearranging the formula to calculate mass.

The 3D Print toolbox on Blender has this feature, the issue is that there's no publicly available model, none that I could find anyway. Second, every Ethereal is made of pure ether and that's kind of been a sore spot because we don't know how dense Ether really is or what Ethereals are made of.

 

[LaserPrecision]

The 3D Print toolbox on Blender has this feature, the issue is that there's no publicly available model, none that I could find anyway. Second, every Ethereal is made of pure ether and that's kind of been a sore spot because we don't know how dense Ether really is or what Ethereals are made of.

My general consensus for things like that it to use the density of material that the material seems to be replicating/is intended to be like. If it looks like metal, the intent is prolly for it to be metal. If it looks like rock, it's prolly intended to be like rock. You get the gist.

That said, to get volume you can calculate the volume of the creature you're upscaling it from by getting its density and mass (density for it is prolly similar to humans which is around 1000kg/m3 since we're mostly made of water. But you could check to see if it'd be different. Then once you get the volume use square cube law to get the volume of the giant flying thing and multiply that volume by the density you think it has.

 

[Baken384]

hope ZZZ gives the 8-Cs an upgrade someday

they already treating them void hunters like nothing it’s wraps

 

[Hizack123]

Is that thing made out of organic tissue or is it like metal? Because if it is, this lowballs it. You'd need to account for them being made of metal. Which thankfully is easy.

You can either grab the volume of the model through what you already used to calculate its length (just clicking on it will open up a menu that shows its volume IIRC) and the multiply that value by the density of whatever metal seems appropriate. Alternatively you can solve for volume with density and mass by rearranging the formula to calculate mass.

I mean should not be different from other ethereals, that mean it's made from ether crystal

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

they already treating them void hunters like nothing it’s wraps

what

 

[Sooshirohl]

I mean should not be different from other ethereals, that mean it's made from ether crystal

i'm not really sure if i'd necessarily say that. like yeah stronger ethereals can form ether crystals but a lot of them are still clearly organic-ish in nature. assuming all ethereals are just made entirely out of crystal feels like a bit of a highball assumption imo

 

[Hizack123]

i'm not really sure if i'd necessarily say that. like yeah stronger ethereals can form ether crystals but a lot of them are still clearly organic-ish in nature. assuming all ethereals are just made entirely out of crystal feels like a bit of a highball assumption imo

Yeah...........

 

[Baken384]

what

The new monster already putting pressure on first gen void hunter, the hierarchy of power is changing

 

[Sooshirohl]

The new monster already putting pressure on first gen void hunter, the hierarchy of power is changing

honestly this makes me realize how we've never actually seen VH tiers struggle against any of the enemies they've really fought lol

bringer basically got no-diffed by miyabi the second she showed up

you could argue yixuan was "struggling" against mevorakh but i definitely think it was because she was still fatigued + sort of mentally nerfed, the second she locked in she basically no-diffed her

i wouldn't even really say shungus was struggling that much against sarah either, iirc i don't think she was able to inflict lasting damage because of the miasma boulders and she did get worn down after overexerting herself with the qingming sword but she was able to just pick it up again and basically clean her up from there

if we're getting into a new tier of threats where the VH tier characters are genuinely struggling then i'm definitely excited because as of right now i definitely don't think any of the VH-tier characters we've seen thus far have truly been "challenged"

 

[Hizack123]

Creator the moment Phaethon begin to awake their power: picture of Thragg order his 1000+ childrens to attack

 

[Naito-desu]

My general consensus for things like that it to use the density of material that the material seems to be replicating/is intended to be like. If it looks like metal, the intent is prolly for it to be metal. If it looks like rock, it's prolly intended to be like rock. You get the gist.

That said, to get volume you can calculate the volume of the creature you're upscaling it from by getting its density and mass (density for it is prolly similar to humans which is around 1000kg/m3 since we're mostly made of water. But you could check to see if it'd be different. Then once you get the volume use square cube law to get the volume of the giant flying thing and multiply that volume by the density you think it has.

I suppose. The crystalline armor of Ethereals is probably the closest we have to something related to it but it's still not quite there.

i'm not really sure if i'd necessarily say that. like yeah stronger ethereals can form ether crystals but a lot of them are still clearly organic-ish in nature. assuming all ethereals are just made entirely out of crystal feels like a bit of a highball assumption imo

Crystals does not narrow it down one bit unfortunately. I will say that for stuff like Genshin or Warhammer we have assumed about 2500kg/m3 weight for any fictional mineral, which we could apply to Ether. It is the basis of Shenhe's Class K stat.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Crystals does not narrow it down one bit unfortunately. I will say that for stuff like Genshin or Warhammer we have assumed about 2500kg/m3 weight for any fictional mineral, which we could apply to Ether. It is the basis of Shenhe's Class K stat.

where does the 2500kg value come from out of curiosity?

 

[Naito-desu]

It's the wiki's accepted density of the Earth's crust

 

[LaserPrecision]

I suppose. The crystalline armor of Ethereals is probably the closest we have to something related to it but it's still not quite there.

You can go with that then. You can make a calculation using various types of crystals (or whatever crystal it seems most like) as the density.

 

[Naito-desu]

Yeah just gotta wait for Bashmu's bloody model to come out. Someone already extracted but refuses to share it publicly smh