Devil May Cry: Body/Soul Destruction Addition for just Dante or the Sparda Bloodline.

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

It seems the pages don't list some of these feats and/or aren't clear about them, so here they are:

Dante can completely destroy the body and soul of High Level Demons. For those wondering what proof there is that the high level demons' souls were destroyed here: well, if that hadn't happened, their souls would have been visible (as Devil Arms), just as shown multiple times in DMC3 and 5. Berial even explained the mechanics in detail in Deadly Fortune (the DMC4 novelization).

Dante is also shown doing this to Demon Kings like Mundus and Hybrids like Vergil, which are said to have been completely destroyed (Both scans are from the Memorial Album "Precious Tears").

It's obviously Soul Manipulation, but I don't know if it would count as EE or Deconstruction.

A CRT upgrade/addition from me before the next ones, which will be controversial downgrades/removals.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Ang4I00]

We already accept as demons in general being capable of soul destruction, it is on the physiology page, this is redundant.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

We already have all this

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

We already accept as demons in general being capable of soul destruction, it is on the physiology page, this is redundant.

We already have all this

I just see this:

• Soul Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction, Power Absorption & Energy Manipulation (Demons can manipulate souls in various ways to kill their opponents, ranging from simple destroying to removing and absorbing of the souls. Demonic aura can exert supernatural pressure on the victim, with an attempt to crush their soul and psyche.)

 

[Ang4I00]

I just saw this:

• Soul Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction, Power Absorption & Energy Manipulation (Demons can manipulate souls in various ways to kill their opponents, ranging from simple destroying to removing and absorbing of the souls. Demonic aura can exert supernatural pressure on the victim, with an attempt to crush their soul and psyche.)

??????

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Sigh

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

??????

Literally none of the scans in the OP are in the links.

 

[Ang4I00]

Literally none of the scans in the OP are in the links.

Because they're redundant, we already have sufficient amount of scans that are in the blog, and ability to destroy soul is already accepted and indexed in the physiology page, not to mention Dante destroying souls of Vergil and Mundus is also on the page, that's literally the reason why they have high godly in the first place.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Because they're redundant, we already have sufficient amount of scans that are in the blog, and ability to destroy soul is already accepted and indexed in the physiology page, not to mention Dante destroying souls of Vergil and Mundus is also on the page, that's literally the reason why they have high godly in the first place.

Except that we don't see any explicit soul destruction in those links. Dante's feats in DMC1 and 4 are clear-cut feats (with lore-context) of body and soul destruction, so much better to use.

 

[Ang4I00]

Except that we don't see any explicit soul destruction in those links. Dante's feats in DMC1 and 4 are clear-cut feats (with lore-context) of body and soul destruction, so much better to use.

Dante in the anime has able to separated a demon from the host without killing the possessed and he can also can kill Griffon, Nightmare, Shadow, Phantom and V's summons with have Low-Godly Regeneration by attacking their core directly, which is stated to be their very soul..

Lucia is also able to kill Phantom in DMC 2 with only normal attacks, just like Dante.

Mundus can also do the same as Lucia and Dante and easely killed Griffon

All of those are soul destruction feats that are in the blog, even more explicit that those you have btw. Again, the most glaring issue is this being redundant as we already have soul destruction in the physiology page, you're just being pedantic.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

All of those are soul destruction feats that are in the blog, even more explicit that those you have btw. Again, the most glaring issue is this being redundant as we already have soul destruction in the physiology page,

The first link is just Fissionism not Soul Destruction; the second doesn't show any Soul Destruction feats (links are missing), just an explanation that the cores are the souls of the Nightmares.

Same goes for Mundus—I see what the feat is, obviously, but there’s no link there either.

For Lucia, sure, there is a link to the feat, but it’s not as explicit as the Dante feats shown in the OP imo. Posting the protagonist's various Soul Destruction feats is still more important than posting those of other characters—and doing one doesn't rule out the other anyway (it's even better).

you're just being pedantic.

Pedantic, because I proposed adding several explicit feats of body-and-soul destruction performed by the protagonist himself, along with context for those feats?

 

[Ang4I00]

The first link is just Fissionism not Soul Destruction;

Please watch the linked clip, Dante not only separated the demon's soul from it's host but literally pierced through it and caused it to vanish, that's as explicit as it gets

the second doesn't show any Soul Destruction feats (links are missing)

Not sure why the links are missing but as literally explained there - Dante is capable of harming and killing/destroying Griffon, Shadow, Phantom, including their core which is their soul itself, with nothing but physical attacks, same as Lucia that is actually linked

Same goes for Mundus—I see what the feat is, obviously, but there’s no link there either.

It's on Mundus's profile under EE

For Lucia, sure, there is a link to the feat, but it’s not as explicit as the Dante feats shown in the OP imo.

How? You see Lucia destroying Phantom, including his core that was explained to be his very soul, with physical attacks.
Your examples about Dante destroying high tier demons aren't even about soul destruction
The main thing about demons becoming Devil Arms is that they either need to willingly give up or someone with sufficient strength can 'force' them to give up, as was with Beowulf and Vergil. Not only there's no evidence to suggest Dante tried to force any of the demons except Berial in becoming his Devil Arm, you can actually resist even this, literally Berial himself resisted this in the novel and refused to become Dante's Devil Arm. There's zero evidence he has actually destroyed their souls in those examples otherwise, so they're just very plainly wrong.

Posting the protagonist's various Soul Destruction feats is still more important than posting those of other characters—and doing one doesn't rule out the other anyway (it's even better).

The problem is that it's redundant when we have examples of even low tiers manipulating souls, something that is already accepted. There's no good reason to make an entire CRT for this, especially when we have other CRTs open that are infinitely more important than this one.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Please watch the linked clip, Dante not only separated the demon's soul from it's host but literally pierced through it and caused it to vanish, that's as explicit as it gets

Your examples about Dante destroying high tier demons aren't even about soul destruction
The main thing about demons becoming Devil Arms is that they either need to willingly give up or someone with sufficient strength can 'force' them to give up, as was with Beowulf and Vergil. Not only there's no evidence to suggest Dante tried to force any of the demons except Berial in becoming his Devil Arm, you can actually resist even this, literally Berial himself resisted this in the novel and refused to become Dante's Devil Arm. There's zero evidence he has actually destroyed their souls in those examples otherwise, so they're just very plainly wrong.

So, the female demon who vanishes after being impaled by Rebellion in the anime, or even Griffon, Mundus, and Nelo Angelo vanishing in DMC1 (which aren't included on the physiology page as justification for EE/Soul btw), counts as evidences of soul destruction, but the ones in DMC4 don't? Because?

Not sure why the links are missing but as literally explained there - Dante is capable of harming and killing/destroying Griffon, Shadow, Phantom, including their core which is their soul itself, with nothing but physical attacks, same as Lucia that is actually linked

I know that; the problem is that the link is missing.

It's on Mundus's profile under EE

Well, if that counts as an EE feat for Mundus, then the same should apply to characters with similar feats.

There's no good reason to make an entire CRT for this, especially when we have other CRTs open that are infinitely more important than this one.

Which other CRT is open besides Tony's and mine?

 

[Ang4I00]

So, the female demon who vanishes after being impaled by Rebellion in the anime, or even Griffon, Mundus, and Nelo Angelo vanishing in DMC1, counts as evidences of soul destruction, but the ones in DMC4 don't?

Yeah, because they have entirely different contexts. Dante explicitly kills a demon while it's a soul that possessed a host, Griffon and other Mundus generals explicitly have cores as part of them that Dante destroys in DMC 1 and 5, Nelo Angelo counts because not only Vergil's soul is explicitly in his armor, but it works on already established premise that Dante has soul destruction, same with Mundus. Your argument for DMC 4 bosses doesn't work because it assumes high tier demons always turn in Devil Arms, hence if their soul doesn't appear and become a Devil Arm it must mean soul destruction, which is faulty as I've already explained due to demons being able to resist becoming Devil Arm in 'death' , no matter the method.

I know that; the problem is that the link is missing.

That's a problem, yes, but a really minor one, not worth a CRT, especially when it's accepted

Well, if that counts as an EE feat for Mundus, then the same should apply to characters with similar feats.

The reason why it's EE is because Mundus specifically erased Griffon into the void. Dante should have EE for similar reasons but there are more stuff for it that Nelo Angelo/Mundus stuff that needs to be properly compiled and TLed, it will get it's own CRT later.

Which other CRT is open besides Tony's and mine?

I thought that 6D CRT was still open, but it's not, so that's on me for a bit off misinfo. But still, supporters are preparing for it to be open again anyway, and also plot hax thread is a pretty major one so supporters are very busy with all that other stuff.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Yeah, because they have entirely different contexts. Dante explicitly kills a demon while it's a soul that possessed a host, Griffon and other Mundus generals explicitly have cores as part of them that Dante destroys in DMC 1 and 5, Nelo Angelo counts because not only Vergil's soul is explicitly in his armor, but it works on already established premise that Dante has soul destruction, same with Mundus. Your argument for DMC 4 bosses doesn't work because it assumes high tier demons always turn in Devil Arms, hence if their soul doesn't appear and become a Devil Arm it must mean soul destruction, which is faulty as I've already explained due to demons being able to resist becoming Devil Arm in 'death' , no matter the method.

The reason why it's EE is because Mundus specifically erased Griffon into the void. Dante should have EE for similar reasons but there are more stuff for it that Nelo Angelo/Mundus stuff that needs to be properly compiled and TLed, it will get it's own CRT later.

Okay, my bad then.

 

[Robo432343]

OP's justification is better for people who don't know anything about dmc
thats what we want

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Not reading all of this. But gonna inform I have major CRT in working which does this and far more, so this is unnecessary. It would have been completed by now if I wasn't so busy and other threads like 6D hypertimeline etc.

 

[Hecky2222]

Actually better rewording for threads won't be bad, some of them worded weird enough. So even if that's redundant, i can see what objection is

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Personally I think this is already understood as the page literally points out how demons can kill other demons but sure I guess, since I specifically made that portion to point out how lesser demons can kill each other and not how specifically High Level demons can kill other demons (because of how implicit it already is or explicit depending on what scene you take). So if you want to add more proof, scans, explanations to the demon phys then fine, no problem.

Just adding this to Dante or the Sparda's bloodline is a big waste of time and very misleading too.