[Re:Zero] Ability Revision

[TheHeavenlySword]

Good evening, this thread is mainly to add or change some abilities in the Re:Zero Profiles:

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Theresia

• Power Nullification (She can sever the very core of a magical spell disturbing its magical composition and causing it to collapse and vanish)

Characters comparable or superior to undead Theresia in Swordsmanship:

• Reinhard
• Cecilus
• Wilhelm
• Kurgan
• Eugard
• Ley

Capella

• Necromancy (She can turn dead corpses into demi-beast)
• Soul Manipulation & Mind Manipulation (Capella can warp the souls of others irrationally, if the form and nature of the soul changes, the exterior follows suit, and the converse is also true. Capella's Authority can twist the thoughts of those she transforms; affecting the mind also affects the soul, as the mental has been equated to the spiritual)
• Dimensional Manipulation (She can turn into a 2D character)
• Fire Manipulation & Power Nullification (Her black flames can erase magical spells by disrupting its magical composition)

Cecilus

• Self-Soul Manipulation, Age Manipulation & Mind Manipulation (After learning about the whereabouts of the soul, he was able to manipulate his own soul, restoring it to its original shape, which reversed his infantilization and brought back his lost memories)

Eugard

• Pain Manipulation (His curse of thorn can inflict an immense amount of pain to his targets, even other undead who can vaguely feel pain can still be tormented by its binding)

Echidna

• Retrocognition (She can display event from the past)
• Alternative Future Display (Showed Emilia many different futures that were possible to happen based on her own choices)

Roswaal - Echidna - Sphinx

• Chaos Manipulation, Statistics Amplification & Power Nullification (with Al Quintet he can destroy the equilibrium of the world reducing it to a state of chaos where up could not be descerned from down, and manifest a destructive power not permitted to exist anywhere but the outside of order, equal to that of a Dragon Breath, which he then used to negate Alters' Dragon Breath)

Ram

• Resistance to Power Nullification & Poison Manipulation (She was able to absorb mana and utilize magic in a poisonous environment that made the other Onis from her village unable to fight)

Priscilla

• Resistance to Illusion Creation (unaffected by illusions)

Shaula

• Aura (She can send off a very sharp and oppressive aura)
• Extrasensory Perception (She could sense witchbeasts approaching the Pleiades Watchtower)
• Possibly Resistance to Life Energy Absorption & Power Nullification (She was able to fire Hell's Snipe, despite being near to Reinhard)

Beatrice

• Enhanced Senses (She can see mana, the distance she can perceive is very far)
• Power Mimicry & Power Bestowal (she was able to decipher the mechanisms of Ol Shamak after witnessing it once then granted it to Subaru. She can allow Subaru to utilize yin magic within her range of sight)

Elsa

• Resistance to Poison Manipulation (seemed completely unaffected by an extremely poisonous medicine)

she was still using it in Arc 4.

Emilia - Sirius

• Immortality (Type 1; Elves are said to live forever unless killed. Elves can live in a perennial youth)

Reinhard - Heinkle

• Resistance to Petrification (Unaffected by the Black Serpents' diseases which can gradually turn people into stone)

Reinhard

• Power Absorption (He can strip other people off their Divine Protections)

Valgren

• Multiple Selves (Type 1, 2, 3; he possess three heads and three souls)

Sense of Self

Otto​

• Resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3; due to his undeveloped sense of self, he is incapable of falling into madness, which made him immune to the Divine Protection of Soul of Language)

The Divine Protection of Soul of Language does not interfere with the users mind, it simply allows him to hear the voices of the world around him, and the sensation that comes from hearing those voices causes madness making it more cognition then a direct mental attack.​

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Other characters who qualify for this resistance:​

• Rui (she lack a solid sense of self)
• Aldebaran - Alter (he did not establish a firm sense of who he really was)

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Priscilla​

• Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, & Empathic Manipulation (she was able to brush off Sirius' Authority with her unbending sense of self)
• Resistance to Possession & Soul Manipulation (characters with a strong sense of self can resist merging with spirits, which causes the destruction of their very soul, and its wherabouts to be painted over)

Other characters who qualify for this resistances:​

• Reid
• Ley (After his battle with Ram he could maintain a firm grip on his self of self)

Spirit Physiology

• Soul Manipulation & Mind Manipulation (Spirits can interfere with the Od, Affecting the soul also affects the mind, as the mental has been equated to the spiritual)
• Shapeshifting (Spirits can reconstruct their own body to appear in different forms)
• Deconstruction & Absorption (Life Energy, Matter, Soul & Mind; Spirits possess the ability to Absorb mana from the atmosphere or from people, they can break down what they eat and store it as mana. Spirits can absorb other living creatures while maintaining their existence by keeping them in a half-absorbed state. Spirits can absorb the Od)
  • Sleep Manipulation & Death Manipulation (Spirits can drain mana from people, which can make them faint, or outright kill them)
  • Power Nullification (Spirits' ability to absorb surrounding mana can also absorb magical spells directly, neutralizing the magic and turning it into their fuel)
• Resistance to Empathetic Manipulation (Fully developed spirits are unaffected by Julius' Divine Protection and Reinhards' constitution, which makes them extremely loved by spirits)
• Resistance to Absorption (Life Energy, Soul & Mind; unweakened spirits can resist Reinhards Absorption)

Shamak

• Illusion Creation, Mind Manipulation, Sense Manipulation & Empathetic Manipulation (Shamak is a kind of illusion that separate the targets' consciousness from reality, the target does not feel the disconnection of their consciousness, and their sense of time becomes vague. Shamak can send the targets' senses haywire striping them of their ability to sense the world around them. Shamak can erase the targets' bloodlust and their will to fight)
  • Statistics Reduction (El Shamak can rob the targets' fighting strength itself)

Ten Swords of Power

• Magic Manipulation & Holy Manipulation (They are both enchanted and holy)

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and this is the end of the thread, If I've gotten anything wrong, please let me know.

 

[Hercules1125]

Please no more Imgur, we British people can’t handle it

 

[Hercules1125]

Please no more Imgur, we British people can’t handle it

Also shouldn’t Lye qualify for the Theresia thing as well? Considering he’s the most skilled martial artist in the verse

 

[Fezzih_007]

She can sever the very core of a magical spell disturbing its magical composition and causing it to collapse and vanish)

Fusion magic-Ul Gora!!"

Immediately after, Julius rattled off an incantation as his greater spirits returned to him, generating a crimson whirlwind in moments. The swirling wind was then engulfed in fire, the resulting flames forcing the Witch Cultists to leap away to safety.

The heat wave of the enormous inferno made Subaru unwittingly gawk.

"The hell is that?! Were you always a hardcore spell caster?!"

"No, this is nothing more than a bluff. It is too unrefined to be used as a proper attack. Accordingly..."

When Julius replied bitterly to Subaru's question, the scene before them proved his words true.

Having fallen back in the face of the flaming whirlwind, the retreating woman lashed out once with her longsword and that was all it took to sever the wind's core, disturbing the spell's composition and causing the whirlwind to collapse, then vanish.

By the scan, It seems the "attack" that Julius did was kinda fake, and Theresia just destroy that with pure strenght.

Should be limited Power null.

Dimensional Manipulation (She can turn into a 2D character)

Ok, I don't think Tappei is being literal here, and "turn into a 2D character" is her just trasmutating to look as whatever the character supposed to be. Like, If I loved Peach, she would just turn into Peach, but not by manipulating dimensions.

I have to do the dishes now, but the rest looks Fine? I dind't look at the scans, but my memory should be working since I reconizing.

 

[Hercules1125]

By the scan, It seems the "attack" that Julius did was kinda fake, and Theresia just destroy that with pure strenght.

Should be limited Power null.

It isn’t a fake spell, the spell is just ass in terms of strength furthermore, pure strength has never been shown to distort spell composition

Wilhelm does something similar to this in Arc 3 against Ram

 

[Fezzih_007]

It isn’t a fake spell

I dind't say It was outright fake, I used 'kinda' because Julius called a bluff and already expect the spell to fail, If we go by his "Accordingly..."

Like, she still did cut the spell short so Power null is still happening. Is just limited to this.

pure strength has never been shown to distort spell composition

First time for everything I guess.

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

By the scan, It seems the "attack" that Julius did was kinda fake, and Theresia just destroy that with pure strenght.

it wasn't fake, it was just too easy to counter, this has nothing to do with pure strength.

Considering he’s the most skilled martial artist in the verse

he's more of a jack of all trades master of none type of character, he's very good at everything but not the best at anything.

but yeah since he got compared to wilhelm in his profile, he should qualify.

 

[Hercules1125]

he's more of a jack of all trades master of none type of character, he's very good at everything but not the best at anything.

but yeah since he got compared to wilhelm in his profile, he should qualify.

It’s stated he’s the best at martial arts in both the LN and WN multiple times, Ram says that due to the martial arts he has, physical attacks won’t work on him:

It wasn’t a move governed by simply physical ability or technique.

Had it been brought forth by pure finesse, then Batenkaitos, who reconstructed all kinds of techniques of the past and the present, of east and west relying on the Memories of eaten opponents, could’ve surely dealt with it.

However, Ram’s battle techniques marked a concise difference from that.

“ーーーー”

Stepping in, the elbow or knee strikes which Ram fired changed their velocity midway through. That was because Ram clad herself in wind magic which she specialised in, and wove truth and myth together in the midst of the battle.

And that he has every martial art at the highest peak:

In response to Gluttony displaying moves with a touch of acrobatics, Emilia made a frustrated expression on her cute face.

Past and present, east and west, chewing the experts of all kinds of master arts, demonstrating abilities that had, quite literally, become “every single kind of martial arts” was the Sin Archbishop of Gluttony, Ley’s fighting strength or perhaps, it should be called his opposing pressure. It had attained preeminence, a remarkable difference of unleashing optimal techniques of the highest peak each moment to the next.

Subaru: “If the Memories, the efforts or the training, if they’re all being completely included then……”

Though it was quite hateful, perhaps Gluttony did not even have a need to possess a consciousness such as one saying “let’s pull them out”. When noticed the body already moved, that was the kind of Authority it was, of pulling them out in all kinds of scenes.

ーーThe stolen Memories even included the experience points of the physical body.

Otto and the narrator even notes he has perfect martial arts:

Unquestionably, that fluent and elegant movement had the power to draw a line between being refreshing and the violent ambience Batenkaitos wore. His undeniable art of having a system of a variety of martial arts, had been cultivated into himself.

The young boy, who looked fourteen, had perfected such techniques which would take years and years to master——?

Dynas: [I suppose, someone called a martial arts genius may be able to do this but…… I don’t want to think that such a brat was blessed with that talent.]

And here:

Otto: [Dagger handling, unarmed fighting skills, perfect martial arts techniques……?]

Saying that, Otto resumed to doubt the reason behind it once again. “Is that even possible? was the only thought that came up in his mind.

“————”

He had heard of people being sent to colosseum at a very young age, and the ones who become swordsmen are taught and trained fighting techniques in the Vollachian Empire to the south. If Batenkaitos was to be in such an environment, it may not have had been impossible for him to acquire such skills at this age, but those skills in fighting techniques would again, be different.

 

[Ball_of_light]

it wasn't fake, it was just too easy to counter, this has nothing to do with pure strength.


he's more of a jack of all trades master of none type of character, he's very good at everything but not the best at anything.

but yeah since he got compared to wilhelm in his profile, he should qualify.

Should finish that quote.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

I will leave chainscalings of other characters to the supporters. On to the abilities themselves:

Theresia

• Power Nullification (She can sever the very core of a magical spell disturbing its magical composition and causing it to collapse and vanish)

Characters comparable or superior to undead Theresia in Swordsmanship:

• Reinhard
• Cecilus
• Wilhelm
• Kurgan
• Eugard

This seems fine

Capella

• Necromancy (She can turn dead corpses into demi-beast)
• Soul Manipulation (She can warp souls irrationally)
• Dimensional Manipulation (She can turn into a 2D character)
• Fire Manipulation & Power Nullification (Her black flames can erase magical spells by disrupting its magical composition)

This seems fine as well. Although, you can add a "Self-" right before Dimensional Manipulation.

Cecilus

• Soul Manipulation, Age Manipulation & Mind Manipulation (After learning about the whereabouts of the soul, he was able to manipulate his own soul, restoring it to its original shape, which reversed his infantilization and brought back his lost memories)

Include the links to the part where he actually manipulated his own Soul as well. And just like before, a "Self-" added before the ability would be better

Eugard

• Pain Manipulation (1 Layer; His curse of thorn could torment even other undead, who possess bodies that could not feel pain)

Echidna

• Retrocognition (She can display event from the past)
• Alternative Future Display (Showed Emilia many different futures that were possible to happen based on her own choices)

This seems fine

Roswaal - Echidna - Sphinx

• Chaos Manipulation, Statistics Amplification & Power Nullification (with Al Quintet he can destroy the equilibrium of the world reducing it to a state of chaos where up could not be deciphered from down, and manifest a destructive power not permitted to exist anywhere but the outside of order, equal to that of a Dragon Breath, which he then used to negate Alters' Dragon Breath)

I'm not entirely sure about Chaos Manipulation here. It feels iffy to me.
Mainly, I don't think we give someone Chaos Manipulation for making a typhoon that will cause 'chaos' whereever it goes. A similar analogy applies here.

The other 2 powers are fine.

Ram

• Resistance to Power Nullification & Poison Manipulation (She was able to absorb mana and utilize magic in a poisonous environment that made the other Onis from her village unable to fight)

I would say the Power Nullification here is limited as it's a by-product of the Poison itself.

Priscilla

• Resistance to Illusion Creation (unaffected by illusions)

Seems fine.

Shaula

• Aura (She can send off a very sharp and oppressive aura)
• Extrasensory Perception (She could sense witchbeasts approaching the Pleiades Watchtower)
• Possibly Resistance to Life Energy Absorption & Power Nullification (She was able to fire Hell's Snipe, despite being near to Reinhard)

I assume the last bit comes from Reinhard's passives. If so, it seems fine.

Sense of Self

Otto

• Resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3; due to his undeveloped sense of self, he is incapable of falling into madness, which made him immune to the Divine Protection of Soul of Language)

The Divine Protection of Soul of Language does not interfere with the users mind, it simply allows him to hear the voices of the world around him, and the sensation that comes from hearing those voices causes madness making it more cognition then a direct mental attack.Other characters who qualify for this resistance:

• Rui (she lack a solid sense of self)
• Aldebaran - Alter (he did not establish a firm sense of who he really was)

This seems to be Type 2 to me more than Type 3. Rather than a being's existence being so bizarre that it induces madness upon whoever perceives it, the Protection of Soul of Language seems to be more so about linking the mind to something that overwhelms them with normal information but in extraordinary amounts.

Priscilla

• Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, & Empathic Manipulation (she was able to brush off Sirius' Authority with her unbending sense of self)
• Resistance to Possession & Soul Manipulation (characters with a strong sense of self can resist merging with spirits, which causes the destruction of their very soul, and its wherabouts to be painted over)

Other characters who qualify for this resistances:

• Reid
• Ley (After his battle with Ram he could maintain a firm grip on his self of self)

This seems fine

• Soul Manipulation & Mind Manipulation (Spirits can interfere with the Od, Affecting the soul also affects the mind, as the mental has been equated to the spiritual)
• Shapeshifting (Spirits can reconstruct their own body to appear in different forms)
• Deconstruction & Absorption (Life Energy, Matter, Soul & Mind; Spirits possess the ability to Absorb mana from the atmosphere or from people, they can break down what they eat and store it as mana. Spirits can absorb other living creatures while maintaining their existence by keeping them in a half-absorbed state. Spirits can absorb the Od)
  • Sleep Manipulation (Spirits can drain mana from people, which can make them faint, or outright kill them)
  • Power Nullification (Spirits' ability to absorb surrounding mana can also absorb magical spells directly, neutralizing the magic and turning it into their fuel)
• Resistance to Empathetic Manipulation (Fully developed spirits are unaffected by Julius' Divine Protection and Reinhards' constitution, which makes them extremely loved by spirits)
• Resistance to Absorption (Life Energy, Soul & Mind; unweakened spirits can resist Reinhards Absorption)

This seems fine. Tho, absorbing life force to the extent that it kills someone can also be classified as Death Manipulation.

Also, I recall reading a thread where Od was accepted as one's Type 3 Concept, so you can add that to the first bullet point too.
(Though I may be wrong here if the Type 3 concept rating was removed later or changed).

Shamak

• Illusion Creation, Mind Manipulation, Sense Manipulation & Empathetic Manipulation (Shamak is a kind of illusion that separate the targets' consciousness from reality, the target does not feel the disconnection of their consciousness, and their sense of time becomes vague. Shamak can send the targets' senses haywire striping them of their ability to sense the world around them. Shamak can erase the targets' bloodlust and their will to fight)
  • Statistics Reduction (El Shamak can rob the targets' fighting strength itself)

Ten Swords of Power

• Magic Manipulation & Holy Manipulation (They are both enchanted and holy)

This seems fine from a glance.

 

[Fezzih_007]

it wasn't fake,

I dind't say It was outright fake, I used 'kinda' because Julius called a bluff and already expect the spell to fail, If we go by his "Accordingly..."

Like, she still did cut the spell short so Power null is still happening. Is just limited to this.

this has nothing to do with pure strength

The scans does make look that way.

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

This seems fine as well. Although, you can add a "Self-" right before Dimensional Manipulation.

Capella's authority can manipulate more then just herself.

I'm not entirely sure about Chaos Manipulation here. It feels iffy to me.
Mainly, I don't think we give someone Chaos Manipulation for making a typhoon that will cause 'chaos' whereever it goes. A similar analogy applies here.

it's because it destroy the equilibrium of the world to the point that Od Lagna(The World) itself would have to intervene.

it also allowed Roswaal to create a destructive power not permitted to exist anywhere but the outside of "order"

This seems to be Type 2 to me more than Type 3. Rather than a being's existence being so bizarre that it induces madness upon whoever perceives it, the Protection of Soul of Language seems to be more so about linking the mind to something that overwhelms them with normal information but in extraordinary amounts.

being overwhelmed by informations can only fry the characters mind, otto himself can't resist that, it doesn't induce madness.

A tidal wave of voices—inaudible to any but Otto—slammed into his mind. Blood burst from his nostrils; the world lurched and somersaulted. Consciousness frayed.
Through the blur he felt Garfiel catch his collapsing body.
And, just before darkness closed, Otto understood:
those countless voices were not shrieking in anger.
The Three Idiots Set Out! Earth Spider Episode

my argument relies specifically on the sensation itself from hearing those voices causing madness.

 

[UrongSygn1]

Seems fine to me

 

[Zabazab]

Soul Manipulation (She can warp souls irrationally)

Consider:

• Mind Manipulation & Soul Manipulation (If the form and nature of the soul changes, the exterior follows suit, and the converse is also true.[10] Capella's Authority can twist the thoughts of those she transforms;[9] affecting the mind also affects the soul,[11] as the mental has been[11] equated to the spiritual[12])

Pain Manipulation (1 Layer; His curse of thorn could torment even other undead, who possess bodies that could not feel pain)

I don't agree with a layer. Congenital Analgesia as well as doping can render the Curse of Thorns ineffective, and Sphinx describes in arc 8 chapter 60 that the undead just meagerly feel pain, which is why she was calm while burning to death. The Curse of Thorns is just incredibly, supernaturally painful.