Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Nighting4l33yes]

How did proi proi lose to that shit i am about to kill every genshin fan

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Honestly Imaginary Energy might itself be CM3 with Paths controlling them as overarching CM2

i don't think that's possible even?

 

[SuperNova55555]

You mean the same Herrschers who didn't even know the Cocoon was a thing until it was explained to them? What Herrscher even contradicted Marah? She said its masterless imaginary energy that's comparable to the Cocoon but not subject to it. Which Herrscher said otherwise?

People managed to find out that the Cocoon was an entity that existed, that it was behind the Honkai and Herrschers, found out a way to somehow displace it from Venus with a Sea of Quanta tide, found ways to locate its realm and hack into it, and all this was achieved without anyone ever meeting it, so meeting it has never been a requirement to be informed of its attributes.

I will say that Elysia could somewhat “feel” it though. To what extent that implicates you convo, unsure.

 

[SuperNova55555]

i don't think that's possible even?

Not exactly sure why this would be the case.

 

[Mbpoops]

Were any of the questions I asked actually answered? Do they explain that this is unique to that that barrier, how long it lasted, or what caused it, or give any context at all? Because otherwise its nothing I don't already know. Just a fluctuations with zero context.

They seem very surprised as they say “the once impassible barrier around the solar system is fluctiating!? This might be our only chance at entering the solar system” thats it no context no nothing. They seem fine traveling to any other star system except the hi3 solar system

Where? The first scan confirms the Aeons can glance beyond it and their power enables it to be traversed, the second scan confirms its not making the system undetectable. So where do we get the upscale?

They can see it after it fluctuates? So the barrier was unstable

Barrier upscale fr

You mean the same Herrschers who didn't even know the Cocoon was a thing until it was explained to them? What Herrscher even contradicted Marah? She said its masterless imaginary energy that's comparable to the Cocoon but not subject to it. Which Herrscher said otherwise?

How would marah know how much imaginary energy the cocoon has if shes never seen or interacted with it

People managed to find out that the Cocoon was an entity that existed, that it was behind the Honkai and Herrschers,

Ok..?

found out a way to somehow displace it from Venus with a Sea of Quanta tide,

Because the soq, specifically a dimensional space, was able to interact with non-space… all itndid was wipe out venus’s citizens making the cocoon uninterested in the planet like it did with mars because even if it reset the planet with finality itnwould likely follow the same fate

found ways to locate its realm and hack into it, and all this was achieved without anyone ever meeting it, so meeting it has never been a requirement to be informed of its attributes.

They didnt hack into it, they hacked into the pathway it used to allocate honkai onto earth. Which is why it says prometheus hacked into the imaginary tree and mobius says she hacked into the pathway. Nothing about the cocoon directly

 

[Cassette95]

ik what scan is but from which chapter/event is the scan actually coming from and where can you find it

Chapter 42 (it was a readable letter Marah left for Sa) and the 7.1 event. A shame that event was before they started making them permanent but its on youtube.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Not exactly sure why this would be the case.

i mean i guess it's not impossible if it happens through the aeons. its also pretty much what i was saying the other time though. i don't think IE deserves to be cm3 though. it has way too many properties and is foundational for every concept too

 

[Mbpoops]

Btw i hope you know the imaginary barrier agenda is a joke

Like i know the barrier isnt the strongest rhing in the verse its just funny that theres statements for every high tier jobbing to it

Aeons couldnt pass it

Emanators couldnt pass it

Sa with 250M years of soq amps couldnt bypass it

Comparable to the cocoon

Its a joke. I just find it funny that this random ass barrier has this many statements

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Btw i hope you know the imaginary barrier agenda is a joke

Like i know the barrier isnt the strongest rhing in the verse its just funny that theres statements for every high tier jobbing to it

Aeons couldnt pass it

Emanators couldnt pass it

Sa with 250M years of soq amps couldnt bypass it

Comparable to the cocoon

Its a joke. I just find it funny that this random ass barrier has this many statements

plot device and https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Plot-Induced_Stupidity

 

[SuperNova55555]

i mean i guess it's not impossible if it happens through the aeons. its also pretty much what i was saying the other time though. i don't think IE deserves to be cm3 though. it has way too many properties and is foundational for every concept too

CM3 is honestly extremely vague as a type ngl. And Imaginary Energy alongside Imaginary Constructs are prolly abstract enough to qualify

 

[Mbpoops]

Now that i think abt it 1.5 was definetly the start of shaoji giving up on narrative consistancy

You mean to tell me he wants to us to believe Sa is equal to the cocoon

But Sa cant bypass the imaginary barrier that is also comparable to the cocoon?

Sa also jobs to seele and fu hua

 

[Mbpoops]

plot device and https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Plot-Induced_Stupidity

But if i tell castorice that phainon not using his 30 other coreflame abilities on zephyro in their fight is PIS im wrong

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

CM3 is honestly extremely vague as a type ngl. And Imaginary Energy alongside Imaginary Constructs are prolly abstract enough to qualify

i do agree though i am not really satisfied with the current implementation and definition of CM overall. i get the idea but its not it imo

But if i tell castorice that phainon not using his 30 other coreflame abilities on zephyro in their fight is PIS im wrong

to be fair the concept art did show him using the abilities of other coreflames and titans ;/ its really a shame they didnt keep that. i wonder why they decided against it

 

[Mbpoops]

to be fair the concept art did show him using the abilities of other coreflames and titans ;/ its really a shame they didnt keep that. i wonder why they decided against it

because zephyro wouldve jobbed to soul dragon and passive death manip

 

[Mbpoops]

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Now that i think abt it 1.5 was definetly the start of shaoji giving up on narrative consistancy

You mean to tell me he wants to us to believe Sa is equal to the cocoon

But Sa cant bypass the imaginary barrier that is also comparable to the cocoon?

Sa also jobs to seele and fu hua

Shaoji: Sa is equal to Cocoon
Also Shaoji: Sa gets one shot by someone ACTUALLY equal to Cocoon

 

[Mbpoops]

Shaoji: Sa is equal to Cocoon
Also Shaoji: Sa gets one shot by someone ACTUALLY equal to Cocoon

jobs to barrier
Jobs to mistilen
Cant kill senti
Jobs to her own herrscher
Jobs to fu hua
Jobs to kiana’s fingers

Genuine bum

 

[Mbpoops]

 

[PedjaTarzan]

jobs to barrier
Jobs to mistilen
Cant kill senti
Jobs to her own herrscher
Jobs to fu hua
Jobs to kiana’s fingers

Genuine bum

shes hot if anything…
also kiana fingers

 

[Mbpoops]

 

[Mbpoops]

Shaoji realizing the fans will write the lore for him

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Btw i hope you know the imaginary barrier agenda is a joke

Like i know the barrier isnt the strongest rhing in the verse its just funny that theres statements for every high tier jobbing to it

Aeons couldnt pass it

Emanators couldnt pass it

Sa with 250M years of soq amps couldnt bypass it

Comparable to the cocoon

Its a joke. I just find it funny that this random ass barrier has this many statements

Do we know why the hi3 is so strong, like I originally thought it was due to cocoon isolating the leaf from the universe, but I don't remember if it was confirmed or i just made it up

 

[Mbpoops]

Do we know why the hi3 is so strong, like I originally thought it was due to cocoon isolating the leaf from the universe, but I don't remember if it was confirmed or i just made it up

Because shaoji wanted to larp theoretical science harder in hi3 than the other games

 

[Ezalipaz]

HI3 also seems to have some kind of exception like in HSR Immortality has a cost (literal Gods give them this) while in HI3 MANTIS (bat shit insane scientist shove monster DNA into equally bat shit insane people) is just outright Immortal with the only known downside being the urge to use AHR with a grand total of 0 person that failed to resist the urge and being equally Honkai Beast and Human

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

HI3 also seems to have some kind of exception like in HSR Immortality has a cost (literal Gods give them this) while in HI3 MANTIS (bat shit insane scientist shove monster DNA into equally bat shit insane people) is just outright Immortal with the only known downside being the urge to use AHR with a grand total of 0 person that failed to resist the urge and being equally Honkai Beast and Human

Mobius failed to resist the urge, so did Su iirc.

 

[Ezalipaz]

Mobius failed to resist the urge, so did Su iirc.

In Su's case its desperation as he uses AHR himself to fight back against Mobius (he explicitly refuses to talk about his last attack before collapsing)

In Mobius case it kinda is since she fully lost control but not really at the same time since she lost control due to her own new and shiny experiment which just like what any reasonable sceintist would do she use herself as lab rat ultimately lead to her losing control of her newly gained AHR (this incident also made Kevin aware of something that he dont know which probably is AHR itself as it about more Power which will lead to Early generation have no such urge, and it just so happen that Mobius in also Early generation)

 

[Mbpoops]

In Su's case its desperation as he uses AHR himself to fight back against Mobius (he explicitly refuses to talk about his last attack before collapsing)

In Mobius case it kinda is since she fully lost control but not really at the same time since she lost control due to her own new and shiny experiment which just like what any reasonable sceintist would do she use herself as lab rat ultimately lead to her losing control of her newly gained AHR (this incident also made Kevin aware of something that he dont know which probably is AHR itself as it about more Power which will lead to Early generation have no such urge, and it just so happen that Mobius in also Early generation)

"reasonable scientist"

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

HI3 also seems to have some kind of exception like in HSR Immortality has a cost (literal Gods give them this) while in HI3 MANTIS (bat shit insane scientist shove monster DNA into equally bat shit insane people) is just outright Immortal with the only known downside being the urge to use AHR with a grand total of 0 person that failed to resist the urge and being equally Honkai Beast and Human

thats not not really true...? theres plenty of chars with type 1 immortality just by being pathstriders

 

[Ezalipaz]

the most reasonable HI3 scientist ever to exist fr

 

[Mbpoops]

thats not not really true...? theres plenty of chars with type 1 immortality just by being pathstriders

granted by gods.

 

[SuperNova55555]

HNA is just… bruh…

 

[Mbpoops]

HNA is just… bruh…

what happened this time

 

[Ezalipaz]

thats not not really true...? theres plenty of chars with type 1 immortality just by being pathstriders

Apart from those that have Yaoshi Blessing, like Xianzhounian (the very cost like Mara-struck say hello) and Abundance abomination, the only one that comes to mind right now is Herta, even then it comes from her age-manip tech not from being Pathstrider, Is there more?

 

[SuperNova55555]

what happened this time

Disappointment.

 

[Mbpoops]

Disappointment.

oh i thought there was another herta cosmology nuke

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Apart from those that have Yaoshi Blessing, like Xianzhounian (the very cost like Mara-struck say hello) and Abundance abomination, the only one that comes to mind right now is Herta, even then it comes from her age-manip tech not from being Pathstrider, Is there more?

jade, polka, RM, the heirs, ashveil, any intellitron, diamond etc

 

[Ezalipaz]

jade, polka, RM, the heirs, ashveil, any intellitron, diamond etc

If Jade really is one then she lacks it in profile (really have no idea about her at all)
Polka i have no comment here since she mainly lives in her goon cave so time might go whack there (really would be Longevity first before Immor Type 1 anyway)
Ruan Mei is Xianzhounian
Not even Titan has Immortality Type 1 so I doubt CH has it (bar that one pink creature), maybe they could but there is no feat for that since their life is cut short
Intellitron can count as one ig since they can simply just change their body
why is Diamond here bro is like Featless
Ashveil I really don't know about the dude since I abandoned HSR for a while now

 

[Cassette95]

They seem very surprised as they say “the once impassible barrier around the solar system is fluctiating!? This might be our only chance at entering the solar system” thats it no context no nothing. They seem fine traveling to any other star system except the hi3 solar system

Exactly.

They can see it after it fluctuates? So the barrier was unstable

Barrier upscale fr

How would marah know how much imaginary energy the cocoon has if shes never seen or interacted with it

Ok..?

Because the soq, specifically a dimensional space, was able to interact with non-space… all itndid was wipe out venus’s citizens making the cocoon uninterested in the planet like it did with mars because even if it reset the planet with finality itnwould likely follow the same fate

At this point just give me a scan for real.

The same way people find out anything about it without ever meeting it.

It very much got the boot thanks to the SoQ Tsunami. Maybe you could argue that's why it didn't return, but its certainly not why it left. Its didn't get bored and leave of its own accord cause everyone died.

They didnt hack into it, they hacked into the pathway it used to allocate honkai onto earth. Which is why it says prometheus hacked into the imaginary tree and mobius says she hacked into the pathway. Nothing about the cocoon directly

Btw i hope you know the imaginary barrier agenda is a joke

Like i know the barrier isnt the strongest rhing in the verse its just funny that theres statements for every high tier jobbing to it

Aeons couldnt pass it

Emanators couldnt pass it

Sa with 250M years of soq amps couldnt bypass it

Comparable to the cocoon

Its a joke. I just find it funny that this random ass barrier has this many statements

You said its a joke already. I'm talking abou the misinfo the joke is based on. There is a grand total of zero statements of Aeons and Emanators not being able to get past that barrier and one that directly says they can.

I feel like somewhere along the line, people forgot that the same chapter where the Memokeeper said the system was beyond the Aeons' gaze, is the same one that opened with Vita saying its their power that lets the barrier be crossed. To me, that crosses the barrier off the list of possible reasons.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

If Jade really is one then she lacks it in profile (really have no idea about her at all)
Polka i have no comment here since she mainly lives in her goon cave so time might go whack there (really would be Longevity first before Immor Type 1 anyway)
Ruan Mei is Xianzhounian
Not even Titan has Immortality Type 1 so I doubt CH has it (bar that one pink creature), maybe they could but there is no feat for that since their life is cut short
Intellitron can count as one ig since they can simply just change their body
why is Diamond here bro is like Featless
Ashveil I really don't know about the dude since I abandoned HSR for a while now

the profiles are unfortunately incomplete. people are more concerned about silly crts rather than curating them. with all due respect.

jade is extremely old. at least thousands of years. rm isn't from xianzhou she's from an unknown frozen world. the heirs are thousands of years old. aglaea tribbie cipher hysilens cerydra are 1000+ at least. the titans are even older. they exist since the formation of the planet in each iteration so they should have it. diamond is even older than jade. ashveil is ancient too.

 

[Mbpoops]

Exactly.

exactly what? they say its impassible and its fluctuating. they genuienly dont give any new information on the barrier other than its impassible

At this point just give me a scan for real.

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The same way people find out anything about it without ever meeting it.

because marah, who knows little about the honkai, knows how much HE the cocoon has... surely...

It very much got the boot thanks to the SoQ Tsunami. Maybe you could argue that's why it didn't return, but its certainly not why it left. Its didn't get bored and leave of its own accord cause everyone died.

again how? the SoQ cant reach the cocoon. its obviously just what the venussians thought had happened because the cocoon's forces vanished after the wave. the cocoon left because no matter what venus would suffer the same fate and would continuously get washed away by the sea so theres no point in trying to embrace venus.

so Sa larps as the cocoon in the SoQ. shes just copying it's abilities by absorbing a lot of honkai which has taken her 250 million years.

the interference code only targeted the pathway not the cocoon directly, it just made it so prometheus could control which herrschers spawned by allocating honkai energy in the pathway.

You said its a joke already. I'm talking abou the misinfo the joke is based on. There is a grand total of zero statements of Aeons and Emanators not being able to get past that barrier and one that directly says they can.

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untouched by the god of travel insinuated that akivili couldnt bypass the barrier, if he could the solar system wouldnt be untouched by aeons. the barrier started fluctuating likely because of kiana's finger blast which could have messed up the barrier, as the memokeeper says time itself had to have been distorted and thats why she had to meet up with kiana

I feel like somewhere along the line, people forgot that the same chapter where the Memokeeper said the system was beyond the Aeons' gaze, is the same one that opened with Vita saying its their power that lets the barrier be crossed. To me, that crosses the barrier off the list of possible reasons.

because the barrier was fluctuating. it was weaker. the barrier fluctuating happened before the events of part 2 since this is before senadina and nana entered the solar system