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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

isnt this just mydei

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Mbpoops said:
exactly what? they say its impassible and its fluctuating. they genuienly dont give any new information on the barrier other than its impassible
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I bolded what I was referring to. There is no context regarding the fluctuations.

You don't know what caused it. You don't know how long they lasted. For all we know the fluctuation was caused by an Aeon like HooH or Ena doing some universe wide modification to the cosmos. We literally do not know. Also there all supposed to be impassable.
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Let me be specific. I want the scan that says the Aeons could only see past the barrier, after it fluctuates.
Mbpoops said:
because marah, who knows little about the honkai, knows how much HE the cocoon has... surely...
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Does any character in universe either insinuate she's not credible or contradict the statement she made at any point?
Mbpoops said:
again how? the SoQ cant reach the cocoon. its obviously just what the venussians thought had happened because the cocoon's forces vanished after the wave. the cocoon left because no matter what venus would suffer the same fate and would continuously get washed away by the sea so theres no point in trying to embrace venus.
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Sa, who knows full well where the Cocoon resides, was the one who came up with that insane plan, not some random ignorant venusian.
Mbpoops said:
so Sa larps as the cocoon in the SoQ. shes just copying it's abilities by absorbing a lot of honkai which has taken her 250 million years.

the interference code only targeted the pathway not the cocoon directly, it just made it so prometheus could control which herrschers spawned by allocating honkai energy in the pathway.
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I'm sure you saw what the character herself said in the scan itself. Or does Prometheus join the list of people who doesn't know wtf she's talking about?

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This is not a statement of Emanators or Aeons being unable to get past the barrier. She does not attribute this to the barrier.
Mbpoops said:
untouched by the god of travel insinuated that akivili couldnt bypass the barrier, if he could the solar system wouldnt be untouched by aeons. the barrier started fluctuating likely because of kiana's finger blast which could have messed up the barrier, as the memokeeper says time itself had to have been distorted and thats why she had to meet up with kiana

because the barrier was fluctuating. it was weaker. the barrier fluctuating happened before the events of part 2 since this is before senadina and nana entered the solar system
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Except it doesn't insinuate that. HSR made it clear that there were countless worlds Akivili didn't make it to due to their passing, and Fu Xuan even says that it would be hard to imagine what communications between planets would've looked like today had they not fallen. So the insinuation that Akivili not going to a world is because the were incapable of it already makes no sense. Amphoreus is another world Akivili didn't make it to an the express go there like nothing. As a matter of fact, it was treated as a world that could only be entered with the trailblaze.

Also this unstable barrier argument is incoherent. If the fluctuations started a billion years ago and continued to this very day if that's how Sparkle and Sampo got in according to you, then it would've been in this weakened state for over a billion years. That's the entirety of Akivili's and most Aeons' lifespans. So what would an Aeon being incapable of gazing before fluctuations started even be based on? There were none around to even gaze in the first place, and would've been able to gaze the entire time they were around.

Kiana's bullet causing it is also as made up as the Aeon doing whatever causing it that I made up at the start of this post. The bullet didn't hit the barrier and landed in the sea. Also there's way too much of ignoring what's directly said in the game and going off vibes mentioned nowhere at all for my liking. We'll know what's what in 9.0 surely. But after that I'm dying on this hill worse than I already am.
 
Okay why doesn't March have Instinctive Action? Like she says her ice protects her instinctively at the start of the game if you talk to her before heading towards the frist planet on your journey
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
the profiles are unfortunately incomplete. people are more concerned about silly crts rather than curating them. with all due respect.

jade is extremely old. at least thousands of years. rm isn't from xianzhou she's from an unknown frozen world. the heirs are thousands of years old. aglaea tribbie cipher hysilens cerydra are 1000+ at least. the titans are even older. they exist since the formation of the planet in each iteration so they should have it. diamond is even older than jade. ashveil is ancient too.
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Being thousands of year old only give Longevity at best like even if you have live for 80 trillion years its still Longevity unless there is a statement for Immor 1

My mistake about RM her name is chinese so i assume her to be one (forgot that her actual name is A-Ruan) but part of her Character story part 1 say this : Starting from their home, a planet blessed by Abundance, they boarded research aircraft and set off to more worlds. So still not count
 
Ezalipaz said:
In Su's case its desperation as he uses AHR himself to fight back against Mobius (he explicitly refuses to talk about his last attack before collapsing)

In Mobius case it kinda is since she fully lost control but not really at the same time since she lost control due to her own new and shiny experiment which just like what any reasonable sceintist would do she use herself as lab rat ultimately lead to her losing control of her newly gained AHR (this incident also made Kevin aware of something that he dont know which probably is AHR itself as it about more Power which will lead to Early generation have no such urge, and it just so happen that Mobius in also Early generation)
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Also Hua lost control thanks to SWARA.
 
Cassette95 said:
I bolded what I was referring to. There is no context regarding the fluctuations.

You don't know what caused it. You don't know how long they lasted. For all we know the fluctuation was caused by an Aeon like HooH or Ena doing some universe wide modification to the cosmos. We literally do not know. Also there all supposed to be impassable.
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Yeah the barrier is weird. It could just be a normal interastral barrier, or responsible for blocking aeons or some nonsense. We'll likely never know.
Cassette95 said:
Does any character in universe either insinuate she's not credible or contradict the statement she made at any point?
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When it comes to the Cocoon, you need to prove you're credible beforehand. A lot of characters downplay it and say stupid things related to the Cocoon, while the ones who actually know about it, like Sena, hype it up to insane levels.
Cassette95 said:
Sa, who knows full well where the Cocoon resides, was the one who came up with that insane plan, not some random ignorant venusian.
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Sa's plan, in the end, works like Project Stigma. It eliminates what the Cocoon is trying to embrace, so the Cocoon simply left. Not to mention we see the Cocoon has authority above the sea's and power that should logically transcend it.
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I'm sure you saw what the character herself said in the scan itself. Or does Prometheus join the list of people who doesn't know wtf she's talking about?
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You can know the functionalities of the Cocoon, you can know there's a higher entity. All these things are observable in the base world of Hi3. Actually observing the Cocoon though? That's another thing entirely, so statements about the Cocoon's power through direct measurement should be doubted, as it's stated numerous times how difficult it is to actually get to the Cocoon.
Cassette95 said:
This is not a statement of Emanators or Aeons being unable to get past the barrier. She does not attribute this to the barrier.

Except it doesn't insinuate that. HSR made it clear that there were countless worlds Akivili didn't make it to due to their passing, and Fu Xuan even says that it would be hard to imagine what communications between planets would've looked like today had they not fallen. So the insinuation that Akivili not going to a world is because the were incapable of it already makes no sense. Amphoreus is another world Akivili didn't make it to an the express go there like nothing. As a matter of fact, it was treated as a world that could only be entered with the trailblaze.

Also this unstable barrier argument is incoherent. If the fluctuations started a billion years ago and continued to this very day if that's how Sparkle and Sampo got in according to you, then it would've been in this weakened state for over a billion years. That's the entirety of Akivili's and most Aeons' lifespans. So what would an Aeon being incapable of gazing before fluctuations started even be based on? There were none around to even gaze in the first place, and would've been able to gaze the entire time they were around.

Kiana's bullet causing it is also as made up as the Aeon doing whatever causing it that I made up at the start of this post. The bullet didn't hit the barrier and landed in the sea. Also there's way too much of ignoring what's directly said in the game and going off vibes mentioned nowhere at all for my liking. We'll know what's what in 9.0 surely. But after that I'm dying on this hill worse than I already am.
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It could've been anything from the Cocoon's arrival that stopped it from fluctuating or formed another barrier, to Kiana becoming the Cocoon in the present screwed up the barrier.
Yeah, we don't know.

What we do know:
  • Imaginary Intertidal Zones are meant to stop light passing through them as well, something that does not happen in Hi3. (Likely because Hi3 outdates the concept).
  • Paths aren't present in Hi3 and its Earth.
So there should be an explanation for both of these things. It's just finding it / having it revealed in story.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
Also Hua lost control thanks to SWARA.
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which is just as I said no one falls to the urge since out of all AHR we know only 2 of them have lost control, Hua thanks to SWARA (even then she is still somewhat conscious) which is an external force without it she appears to have no problem, Mobius is doing the most reasonable scientist thing ever so it's to be expected

There is Kosma that we don't know whether he fully lost control or not when his mutated AHR first manifested
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
If you're going to make a crt to argue against the nanosecond end @Voidnether got accepted, then the microsecond accepted end would be
Sixty-Three Quintillion Times The Speed of Light
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It's more about the terminology. I know that HSR uses "星系" to refer to both galaxies and star systems in different contexts.
Before drawing any conclusions, I'll ask a Translation Team member to clarify a few things. However, since you guys are more familiar with the verse than I am, I wanted to ask something first.
Does HSR consistently use "星系" for both galaxies and star systems, or are there other terms the game uses besides "星系" to distinguish between them?
 
IStar0thh said:
It's more about the terminology. I know that HSR uses "星系" to refer to both galaxies and star systems in different contexts.
Before drawing any conclusions, I'll ask a Translation Team member to clarify a few things. However, since you guys are more familiar with the verse than I am, I wanted to ask something first.
Does HSR consistently use "星系" for both galaxies and star systems, or are there other terms the game uses besides "星系" to distinguish between them?
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Star Systems are always usually referring to Galaxies
This is an entire purple galaxy being called a Star System
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There are HSR Star Systems that are 10k to 100k to 2 million light years in size. Galaxy sizes begin at 3000 light years
 
Just to end the entire investigation and that planned CRT

1. There are no CN Translation staffs so good luck
2, The HSR Star Systems are consistently galaxy size as shown with Star System scans being 10k light years, 100k light years, and Asdana Star System being 2 million light years. Viropa Star System now recently being shown as a purple galaxy. It's consistently Galaxy
3. CN medias like LOTM also associates Star Systems as being Galaxies. Its normal for that pinyin mainly being Galaxies.
4. The other pinyin that means Galaxy is 星系 or Milky Way. This same exact Pinyin is used for the entirety of Real Space/2-A Multiverse. So yeah, this route is not going to work at all unless Hoyoverse caps at Galaxy size. This pinyin is also like never used for Galaxies/Star Systems.
5. Star Systems are just leaf worlds and leaf worlds can reach universe sizes. So yeah, the average under wiki standards will still be Galaxy even if you try to connect Star Systems being Solar System sized.
 
Oh my god not this again. We've been through it like 10 times. Even when I wasn't here discussions would seep into other parts of the hsr community. At the very LEAST they are galaxies.
 
let's talk about something else instead. can the titans/heirs actually qualify for CM? or at least law manip? we have dialogues stating that ppl were immortal until thanatos was born and then diseases and natural death appeared in the world. isn't that pretty strong?
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Heavily depends on how this is implemented ngl. Cuz it seems “not dying” here seems to be about just lacking an afterlife to pass unto
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hm there's also stuff like this
"In the 22,449th cycle, Module Golem99 detached from Doril704 and successfully deconstructed the unified consciousness into neuron-like clusters. Inorganic life transitioned into a dual-mode of individual and collective cognition, and thus the first spark of selfhood was born."
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that's def cm imo
 
Mbpoops said:
There isnt even a mention on a concept
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it doesn't have to be mentioned bc we know that the titans' code is literally what makes up ampho and that all of them control their respective domains. talanton created cause and effect amongst other things such as balance itself oronyx created time mnestia created the idea of beauty etc.

death being created w the birth of thanatos is the biggest element here anyway
 
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