DC Pre Crisis Cosmology

[Nonynho]

Good job. Much easier to read now.

The following source is fan made content and as such, it and the corresponding material for which it is used as a source needs to be removed as it is not a work published by or officially recognized by DC Comics - “DC Comics Encyclopedia - Superhero handbook by wikipedians”

Thank you! My curiosity of Pre-Crisis DC really took me far

I thought so, about this source, though that part is a tad bit convoluted but also sourced by other - indeed proper and reliable - scans
I'll leave it there, as my intent was to make OP better to read, whatever gets approved here will get a properly worked Cosmology Page and most certainly not that source

 

[KLOL506]

Btw why most of the scans in ibb.co are broken??

Try changing ibb.co to imgbb.com

 

[Nonynho]

Try changing ibb.co to imgbb.com

heya
Since you passed by can you ask some staff to drop by?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Most of the information seems solid, especially about the nature of higher dimensions being contained within single universes. I will say that it is confusing to have information from Post-Crisis books present in the collection, since that muddies the water if this is going to be a pure Pre-Crisis split or just an addition to the general Crisis cosmology (or whatever).

I would also like to point out that, although the numerous statements for an infinite-sized universe are good, the scans about the reverse universe to explicitly reference the concept of a large but finite-sized universe. I'm not against an infinite universe, especially with the overwhelming amount of statements, but it's worth acknowledging the counter-evidence.

 

[Nonynho]

I would also like to point out that, although the numerous statements for an infinite-sized universe are good, the scans about the reverse universe to explicitly reference the concept of a large but finite-sized universe.

maybe one of the faulty parts of the proposition lol

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Overall, not much really changes from this. The two big things are the entirety of the Pre-Crisis multiverse (accounting for all the levels) being High-1B and Limbo being a beyond dimensional realm (Type-1) as such it is Low-1A. The only character that scales to Limbo is The Adjudicator and his masters The Overseers.

 

[Antvasima]

heya
Since you passed by can you ask some staff to drop by?

I just did that earlier here.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Overall, not much really changes from this. The two big things are the entirety of the Pre-Crisis multiverse (accounting for all the levels) being High-1B and Limbo being a beyond dimensional realm (Type-1) as such it is Low-1A. The only character that scales to Limbo is The Adjudicator and his masters The Overseers.

Well, it might change on how the Superman vs Jaxon feat is interpreted, depending on what a timeline encompasses.

 

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Wouldn't this in turn affect post crisis scaling too?

Golden age supes fighting againts post crisis supes

Parallax Hal being able to replicate the same destruction as crisis on infinite earths

God machine brainiac being superior (more likely an equal to parallax Hal who was attempting zero hour event for 2nd time)

With also.....superman punching god brainiac affecting all his version's and making that brainiac scared of him

And instances where speedsters time travelled to crisis on infinite earths, fighting the anti monitor

 

[PromptedElephant641]

It doesn’t change anything regarding the Jaxon feat or any other Pre-Crisis feats whatsoever. Higher dimensions literally have nothing to do with the branching timelines of a universe for which the Jaxon feat is applicable.

Hal MIGHT have the capacity to scale to High-1B but that is ONLY after he absorbs the energy left over from COIE.

God Machine Brainiac is a 1A being so this has no impact on him. He just hasn’t been upgraded because neither DC Comics themselves nor the fans care or remember much of anything about Convergence.

Speedsters have access to a 1A power source so a High-1B feat means nothing.

When the word multiverse is being used, it is in relation to the complete set of parallel worlds and timelines not higher dimensions.

 

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It doesn’t change anything regarding the Jaxon feat or any other Pre-Crisis feats whatsoever. Higher dimensions literally have nothing to do with the branching timelines of a universe for which the Jaxon feat is applicable.

Hal MIGHT have the capacity to scale to High-1B but that is ONLY after he absorbs the energy left over from COIE.

God Machine Brainiac is a 1A being so this has no impact on him. He just hasn’t been upgraded because neither DC Comics themselves nor the fans care or remember much of anything about Convergence.

Speedsters have access to a 1A power source so a High-1B feat means nothing.

When the word multiverse is being used, it is in relation to the complete set of parallel worlds and timelines not higher dimensions.

Scaling parallax Hal to supposedly high 1B but putting god machine Braniac at supposedly1A is weird

Cuz they both fought telos

A being who stalemated god machine brainiac at base form pre-mind controlled


Parallax Hal defeated telos when he thought telos grew more powerful than his early encounter during convergence (telos 2015 issue 2-6)

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They fought the same person, parallax won while god machine stalemated and only won due to telos holding himself back because of his family

This isn't accounting another thing which is the fearful nature of god machine towards superman

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Who Hal can scale to

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Parallax defeated Deimos, a being more powerful than Telos who has all of the power of the time masters, effortlessly.

After becoming The God Machine, Brainiac explicitly ascended beyond the power of the gods of the universe which includes skyfathers like Zeus and others. He then became, as the DC Book describes, a plunderer of timelines behind the multiverse. He is easily able to extract timelines from Hypertime, depowering and imprisoning the inhabitants including Parallax Hal.

While God Machine Brainiac has some stupid moments like being imprisoned by Mister Terrific’s T-Spheres or being disconnected from all of his avatars by a weakened New-52 Superman (who is already by far the weakest version of the character) these are just PIS related outliers. God Machine Brainiac explicitly exists as a godly entity beyond the Speed Force Wall and The Blood Moon was even temporarily embedded inside of it.

 

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Parallax defeated Deimos, a being more powerful than Telos who has all of the power of the time masters, effortlessly.

then putting him at high 1B doesnt make sense

After becoming The God Machine, Brainiac explicitly ascended beyond the power of the gods of the universe which includes skyfathers like Zeus and others.

apparently he didnt ascend high enough to overpower base telos who he should have ascended, given the fact that telos was from normal realm or avoid being detected by metron and mobius in lower realm during darkseid war

He then became, as the DC Book describes, a plunderer of timelines behind the multiverse.

sure

He is easily able to extract timelines from Hypertime, depowering and imprisoning the inhabitants including Parallax Hal.

1. depowering someone doesnt mean you have qualitive 1A Reality to fiction transcendence over them, power nullification is a hax and god machine could have it higher in scaling or layered than the characters

2.Telos then enabled these powers back because arena fight was a need for himself (convergence green lantern/parallax)

the same telos in which was overpowered by deimos, with parallax hal 2 tapping him (convergence issue 7)

 

[PromptedElephant641]

None of that even matters as Telos’ power comes from Brainiac.

It has already been discussed that there are numerous PIS moments related to Convergence and God Machine Brainiac. The event is not something that DC put much effort into as it, and the comics surrounding it, exists only to fill in the gap in their publications as they moved their office from York City to Burbank, California. There is a reason that is practically never mentioned again afterwards and is totally ignored.

Anyway please focus on the actual topic of the thread as this is not important.

 

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None of that even matters as Telos’ power comes from Brainiac.

It has already been discussed that there are numerous PIS moments related to Convergence and God Machine Brainiac. The event is not something that DC put much effort into as it, and the comics surrounding it, exists only to fill in the gap in their publications as they moved their office from York City to Burbank, California. There is a reason that is practically never mentioned again afterwards and is totally ignored.

Anyway please focus on the actual topic of the thread as this is not important.

His power doesn't come from brainiac, it comes from his dad

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Brainiac only erase the memories from a holding back telos as he did not want to scare his family with his powers

I want sources of these "discussions that have been done before on for god machine brainiac and convergence" cuz this should be very much listed in his page

I do not think moving workplaces excuses this......weird scaling but I would also like a source on this as well

I am asking a question regarding this topic?

Because many characters from the golden age/silver age have affected post crisis characters

And the first crisis being replicated a lot of times in post crisis times

I'm not asking for a list of names but am just asking if there would be some post crisis characters scaling to this because it seems like there should

Just asking a yes or no question

 

[PromptedElephant641]

There are no impressive feats in convergence to scale heralds to.

The Pre-Crisis Heralds do not scale to High-1B either nor do they have the capacity to do so.

Nothing in this CRT changes anyone’s standing. The only thing that might happen is the Anti-Montior gets upgraded.