Lookism Discussion Thread

[Aksh_sky]

Now we have Class 100 for almost the entire PTJverse... Okay, I wasn't expecting this.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MVMRainAngel/Questism_-_Kim_Sohuyn_jumping

Nly S strength stat btw... Questism has like SOOO many multipliers, lol. Rain cooked. The good part about is that Questism is the easiest verse to chainscale, everyone above S stat would scale to this including the GOAT Seok.

A huge LS crt is needed soon.

I might take things on my own hands but too much work for my lazy ahh(u would know since the CGD still isn't there) so I'd rather wait for someone good enough to make a crt regarding these.

Top tiers should he comfortably class M with 14k Tons meanhwile pretty much everyone else should be like class 100 and ppl like Goo should be class K based on Viott's calc...or maybe class M depending on the arg because if they managed to scale Gun's LS to Doom or Igor(which i can lwk) then Goo would scale to Gun's LS because i remember a panel of Goo resisting Gun's strength in TUI.

 

[Pyro9278]

Nly S strength stat btw... Questism has like SOOO many multipliers, lol. Rain cooked. The good part about is that Questism is the easiest verse to chainscale, everyone above S stat would scale to this including the GOAT Seok.

A huge LS crt is needed soon.

I might take things on my own hands but too much work for my lazy ahh(u would know since the CGD still isn't there) so I'd rather wait for someone good enough to make a crt regarding these.

Top tiers should he comfortably class M with 14k Tons meanhwile pretty much everyone else should be like class 100 and ppl like Goo should be class K based on Viott's calc...or maybe class M depending on the arg because if they managed to scale Gun's LS to Doom or Igor(which i can lwk) then Goo would scale to Gun's LS because i remember a panel of Goo resisting Gun's strength in TUI.

Yeah... Whatever you say, can we at least consider how consistent this is across the verse? It's not all about inflating stats, let's be honest.

I'm aware we have higher results, but they're just demonstrations of the top and god levels. It doesn't help that this was probably done even before arcs like HFBD or even Workers 3A.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Yeah... Whatever you say, can we at least consider how consistent this is across the board? It's not all about inflating stats, let's be honest.

The LS is consistent now ngl because S stat Shooyun is literally considered to be a low tier in lookism.

I'm aware we have higher results, but they're just demonstrations of the top and god levels. It doesn't help that this was probably done even before arcs like HFBD or even Workers 3A.

What? I'm not getting what ur trying to say but...ig. Both the Doom, Igor and Goo feats are both chronologically and cannonically very recent and so is Goo scaling to Gun because he resisted his strength in HFG. The only old one here is just the Shooyun one.

 

[Pyro9278]

The LS is consistent now ngl because S stat Shooyun is literally considered to be a low tier in lookism.

I'd like you to go to the wiki page and look up something called Outlier, and then explain to me with scans why this shouldn't be one. Obviously, Zack and Vin are massively superior to Suhyeon, and both barely reach Class 25, with Zack barely achieving Class 100 in the CURRENT arc.

What? I'm not getting what ur trying to say but...ig.

We're supposed to be indexing information to profiles for accuracy, not to try and create "The Strongest Verse."

Both the Doom, Igor and Goo feats are both chronologically and cannonically very recent and so is Goo scaling to Gun because he resisted his strength in HFG. The only old one here is just the Shooyun one.

All of that makes sense except for Goo's part. Gun TUI literally twisted his arm, so how can we call that resistance? It's literally the opposite of resistance to LS

 

[Aksh_sky]

I'd like you to go to the wiki page and look up something called Outlier, and then explain to me with scans why this shouldn't be one. Obviously, Zack and Vin are massively superior to Suhyeon, and both barely reach Class 25, with Zack barely achieving Class 100 in the CURRENT arc.

Ok? Nothing even REMOTELY proves that it's an outliers when he clearly compressed the group beneath. That's called upgrading. And a jump from Class 25 to 100 isn't much either. There have been wayy bigger jumps in vsbw profiles before than this, statistically speaking, it's just extremely small comparatively. Infact ppl like Tom who used to scale to class 100 would get class M upgrade, the difference there is wayyy more than class 10 to class 100 or even Human level to Class 100, so literally rookie numbers. Also nothing would still prove that him clearly compressing the ground beneath is false. Also if Zack scales to class 100 barely then...sure.

We're supposed to be indexing information to profiles for accuracy, not to try and create "The Strongest Verse."

K bro...so we just ignore clear feats. And nobody's even trying to make it the strongest verse in the first place, it seems like you have problem with the verse experiencing 'upgrade' in the first place because your concern is completely unsubstantial and unjustified. Like what? We had been ignoring clear feats for soo long that could've been calcable but now that they have been calced, they cannot be used because they'll make the verse stronger? Like what? By that logic we all should just stop making calcs to keep things as it is.

All of that makes sense except for Goo's part. Gun TUI literally twisted his arm, so how can we call that resistance? It's literally the opposite of resistance to LS

Clearly was able to resist his strength and yes his arms were twisted but he still had him pinned down so he should scale to him.

Also what's with the Big Merc liking everything against ptj upgrade.

 

[Pyro9278]

Ok? Nothing even REMOTELY proves that it's an outliers when he clearly compressed the group beneath. That's called upgrading. And a jump from Class 25 to 100 isn't much either. There have been wayy bigger jumps in vsbw profiles before than this, statistically speaking, it's just extremely small comparatively. Infact ppl like Tom who used to scale to class 100 would get class M upgrade, the difference there is wayyy more than class 10 to class 100 or even Human level to Class 100, so literally rookie numbers. Also nothing would still prove that him clearly compressing the ground beneath is false. Also if Zack scales to class 100 barely then...sure.

K bro...so we just ignore clear feats. And nobody's even trying to make it the strongest verse in the first place, it seems like you have problem with the verse experiencing 'upgrade' in the first place because your concern is completely unsubstantial and unjustified. Like what? We had been ignoring clear feats for soo long that could've been calcable but now that they have been calced, they cannot be used because they'll make the verse stronger? Like what? By that logic we all should just stop making calcs to keep things as it is.

Clearly was able to resist his strength and yes his arms were twisted but he still had him pinned down so he should scale to him.

Also what's with the Big Merc liking everything against ptj upgrade.

I don't know why, but I saw this answer coming, and yet it still disappoints me.

Sure, dude, do whatever you want.

 

[CatLover313]

I don't know why, but I saw this answer coming, and yet it still disappoints me.

Sure, dude, do whatever you want.

 

[Mriiicydragon]

Nly S strength stat btw... Questism has like SOOO many multipliers, lol. Rain cooked. The good part about is that Questism is the easiest verse to chainscale, everyone above S stat would scale to this including the GOAT Seok.

A huge LS crt is needed soon.

I might take things on my own hands but too much work for my lazy ahh(u would know since the CGD still isn't there) so I'd rather wait for someone good enough to make a crt regarding these.

Top tiers should he comfortably class M with 14k Tons meanhwile pretty much everyone else should be like class 100 and ppl like Goo should be class K based on Viott's calc...or maybe class M depending on the arg because if they managed to scale Gun's LS to Doom or Igor(which i can lwk) then Goo would scale to Gun's LS because i remember a panel of Goo resisting Gun's strength in TUI.

Can’t goo be scaled to doom M class feat by using tom?
As doom was stated to be physical relative to tom and goo was able to fight tom

 

[CatLover313]

Can’t goo be scaled to doom M class feat by using tom?
As doom was stated to be physical relative to tom and goo was able to fight tom

Yeah, now that Doom has that Class M feat, he along with anyone who currently LS scales to him should be upscaled. I believe MVM was going to make a CRT for that.

 

[Kakistan]

Now we have Class 100 for almost the entire PTJverse... Okay, I wasn't expecting this.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MVMRainAngel/Questism_-_Kim_Sohuyn_jumping

THANK YOU KING OF GANGBUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!

Anyways, I wouldn't say it's an outlier. This is Suhyeon with Maximum Capacity, which is probably a multiplier given it's a direct (yet invisible) increase to his mass, though I suppose he scales to around S- strength here.

It seems very strange to think that we only get a Class 100 character one arc after God Dog.

Wym one arc after God Dog?

 

[Aksh_sky]

Another feat Got accepted.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Captain_lifeless/Daniel_flips_Eunhyung

Supersonic+ and Johan already upscales from this feat in base as Daniel while doing this feat had XXX speed stat meanwhile Johan had immeasurable speed stat in base therefore Hypersonic with CQC(2,741 m/s).

Though this feat got accepted but make sure to not annoy Drite regarding ts and if anyone has problems with this they can simply leave comments and not reply Drite because he literally said this.

 

[Pyro9278]

Another feat Got accepted.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Captain_lifeless/Daniel_flips_Eunhyung

Supersonic+ and Johan already upscales from this feat in base as Daniel while doing this feat had XXX speed stat meanwhile Johan had immeasurable speed stat in base therefore Hypersonic with CQC(2,741 m/s).

Though this feat got accepted but make sure to not annoy Drite regarding ts and if anyone has problems with this they can simply leave comments and not reply Drite because he literally said this.

I approve of this one.

 

[Pyro9278]

I'm surprised no one has calculated Tom Lee's feat of practically pulverizing the concrete beneath him during his fight with J. And the crater appears to be quite deep.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

I'm surprised no one has calculated Tom Lee's feat of practically pulverizing the concrete beneath him during his fight with J. And the crater appears to be quite deep.

Was that really pulv? Cause I thought chunks of debris were kinda big showing the ground failing to compress

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Another feat Got accepted.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Captain_lifeless/Daniel_flips_Eunhyung

Supersonic+ and Johan already upscales from this feat in base as Daniel while doing this feat had XXX speed stat meanwhile Johan had immeasurable speed stat in base therefore Hypersonic with CQC(2,741 m/s).

Though this feat got accepted but make sure to not annoy Drite regarding ts and if anyone has problems with this they can simply leave comments and not reply Drite because he literally said this.

Question on this: Will the multiplier get doubled down in the case of Gun? I mean, he scales to 2741 m/s in his base, but with his own TUI multiplier, that number would be 8223 m/s. Or are we going to keep 913.85 m/s as his base?

 

[CatLover313]

Question on this: Will the multiplier get doubled down in the case of Gun? I mean, he scales to 2741 m/s in his base, but with his own TUI multiplier, that number would be 8223 m/s. Or are we going to keep 913.85 m/s as his base?

TUI is only a strength multiplier, speed was rejected

 

[Pxnd_013]

TUI is only a strength multiplier, speed was rejected

Should TUI also provide a speed increase? At first, Gun was in a weakened state and was only on par with a non-serious Goo. However, after entering TUI, he was able to land attacks on Goo, with Goo stating that he couldn't react in time.

 

[Mriiicydragon]

Should TUI also provide a speed increase? At first, Gun was in a weakened state and was only on par with a non-serious Goo. However, after entering TUI, he was able to land attacks on Goo, with Goo stating that he couldn't react in time.

Feel like it should like you mentioned goo was getting blitz by gun at first
Also that in the shingen vs shintaro fight,when shingen was in tui and fighting shintaro he was able to out speed shintaro multiple times after being relative in speed or shintaro actually being a bit faster if I remember
And that when gun and shintaro first fought before entering tui ,gun could not really react to shintaro and shintaro easily be able to catch his punches but once in tui they went relative

 

[Kakistan]

Question on this: Will the multiplier get doubled down in the case of Gun? I mean, he scales to 2741 m/s in his base, but with his own TUI multiplier, that number would be 8223 m/s. Or are we going to keep 913.85 m/s as his base?

Injured Adrenaline Gun is fast enough to counter CQC Johan (2741m/s) from a tiny distance, putting him at "at least yada yada". Considering just how much faster he is than this Johan, and how Adrenaline doesn't really boost speed/not to a significant amount, a serious Base Gun should definitely scale to it.

Oh, and Berserker Yuseong should also scale to 2741m/s for being able to intercept Johan's CQC.
Going off these two fights, PB Copy might be able to get a multiplier of its own due to performing better than special CQC, but we can check on that later.

And this also helps us gauge the Stat Difference in Questism, as UR strength Haru with CQC's x3 AP (which is Manager Kim's CQC) couldn't do much to Uijin's LR+ durability, even after targetting only his vitals. Chapter 120. I guess this might be counted as calc stacking, tho? But, the stats work as an objective measurement and we have seen numerous instances of insane gaps from even smaller stat differences (Choyun vs Sechan).

Hell, we get a statement from Choyun outright going: "The gap between a stat of X and XX is like night and day." Maybe someone could make a thread on Questism stat gaps.

 

[Kakistan]

Feel like it should like you mentioned goo was getting blitz by gun at first
Also that in the shingen vs shintaro fight,when shingen was in tui and fighting shintaro he was able to out speed shintaro multiple times after being relative in speed or shintaro actually being a bit faster if I remember
And that when gun and shintaro first fought before entering tui ,gun could not really react to shintaro and shintaro easily be able to catch his punches but once in tui they went relative

It's a big speed buff, but not quantifiable like the 3x since Shintaro only commented on the strength as a multiplier.

 

[WindyAttack]

Ok? Nothing even REMOTELY proves that it's an outliers when he clearly compressed the group beneath. That's called upgrading. And a jump from Class 25 to 100 isn't much either. There have been wayy bigger jumps in vsbw profiles before than this, statistically speaking, it's just extremely small comparatively. Infact ppl like Tom who used to scale to class 100 would get class M upgrade, the difference there is wayyy more than class 10 to class 100 or even Human level to Class 100, so literally rookie numbers. Also nothing would still prove that him clearly compressing the ground beneath is false. Also if Zack scales to class 100 barely then...sure.

K bro...so we just ignore clear feats. And nobody's even trying to make it the strongest verse in the first place, it seems like you have problem with the verse experiencing 'upgrade' in the first place because your concern is completely unsubstantial and unjustified. Like what? We had been ignoring clear feats for soo long that could've been calcable but now that they have been calced, they cannot be used because they'll make the verse stronger? Like what? By that logic we all should just stop making calcs to keep things as it is.

Clearly was able to resist his strength and yes his arms were twisted but he still had him pinned down so he should scale to him.

Also what's with the Big Merc liking everything against ptj upgrade.

We have some imposters Among Us...

 

[CatLover313]

dang, yall policing likes now? Crazy

 

[Mercury009]

 

[WindyAttack]

Another feat Got accepted.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Captain_lifeless/Daniel_flips_Eunhyung

Supersonic+ and Johan already upscales from this feat in base as Daniel while doing this feat had XXX speed stat meanwhile Johan had immeasurable speed stat in base therefore Hypersonic with CQC(2,741 m/s).

Though this feat got accepted but make sure to not annoy Drite regarding ts and if anyone has problems with this they can simply leave comments and not reply Drite because he literally said this.

Um I'm pretty sure CQC doesn't have speed multiplier

 

[Pyro9278]

Um I'm pretty sure CQC doesn't have speed multiplier

It has it, only the multiplier was reduced from 100x to 3x for consistency.

 

[Pyro9278]

Was that really pulv? Cause I thought chunks of debris were kinda big showing the ground failing to compress

I believe it can still be considered concrete pulverization, considering the explosion it left behind or that the remains were left further behind.

 

[Kakistan]

Does anyone know why TTS: Maximum Capacity isn't a multiplier for Suhyeon yet? Final Flash could be one too.

 

[CatLover313]

Does anyone know why TTS: Maximum Capacity isn't a multiplier for Suhyeon yet? Final Flash could be one too.

Because they aren’t?

 

[Kakistan]

Because they aren’t?

How? F=MA dictates the force of Suhyeon's attacks should be getting 500kg added to the mass, which we know is canonical as Suhyeon outright talks about putting the mass of Maximum Capacity into his punches in Ch. 9.

And we know the weaker MC buffs his stats, so the stronger one should as well. So via his ascension card, Awakened Stats, Suhyeon's speed goes up as much as his strength & endurance/durability does.

 

[Pyro9278]

How? F=MA dictates the force of Suhyeon's attacks should be getting 500kg added to the mass, which we know is canonical as Suhyeon outright talks about putting the mass of Maximum Capacity into his punches in Ch. 9.

And we know the weaker MC buffs his stats, so the stronger one should as well. So via his ascension card, Awakened Stats, Suhyeon's speed goes up as much as his strength & endurance/durability does.

You know, there's a problem with those kinds of multipliers, and that is that if we base it on the whole Questism system, we would have a multiplier of at least 100x considering the gap between levels and that this gap gets bigger as you level up.

 

[WindyAttack]

You know, there's a problem with those kinds of multipliers, and that is that if we base it on the whole Questism system, we would have a multiplier of at least 100x considering the gap between levels and that this gap gets bigger as you level up.

As we should CB+ Questism sounds crispy

 

[CatLover313]

How? F=MA dictates the force of Suhyeon's attacks should be getting 500kg added to the mass, which we know is canonical as Suhyeon outright talks about putting the mass of Maximum Capacity into his punches in Ch. 9.

And we know the weaker MC buffs his stats, so the stronger one should as well. So via his ascension card, Awakened Stats, Suhyeon's speed goes up as much as his strength & endurance/durability does.

Maximum Capacity's +500kg is a flat additive increase, not a ratio. Even as an AP input, F=ma/KE-style calcs are gated and unless properly stated with a qualified statement, it can't be built by stacking values pulled from other calcs. Also, it really does need a multiplier statement as adding mass isn't enough for other weight manipulation users like Brandish (Fairy Tail) and Mikitaka on One Piece both have confirmed, stated mass increases, and neither are eligible for an AP strength increase (proabably more users, but their off the top of my head). The confirmed mass increase can just be added on top of the user's LS but for AP, it'll just be higher with "Blank" rather than a flat value for the LS of 500 kg.

 

[Kakistan]

You know, there's a problem with those kinds of multipliers, and that is that if we base it on the whole Questism system, we would have a multiplier of at least 100x considering the gap between levels and that this gap gets bigger as you level up.

If you calc stack/wank hard enough, it's possible to get Suhyeon to island-level. So ig that's fair.

As we should CB+ Questism sounds crispy

#oncetheyarriveinLookism

Maximum Capacity's +500kg is a flat additive increase, not a ratio. Even as an AP input, F=ma/KE-style calcs are gated and unless properly stated with a qualified statement, it can't be built by stacking values pulled from other calcs. Also, it really does need a multiplier statement as adding mass isn't enough for other weight manipulation users like Brandish (Fairy Tail) and Mikitaka on One Piece both have confirmed, stated mass increases, and neither are eligible for an AP strength increase (proabably more users, but their off the top of my head). The confirmed mass increase can just be added on top of the user's LS but for AP, it'll just be higher with "Blank" rather than a flat value for the LS of 500 kg.

Hmmm I see, also wym by it's a flat additive increase & not a ratio? He goes from 68kg to 568kg, should that not be a ratio of 1:8.3?

Well anyway, the closest thing we can get to a certified multiplier in Questism would be Haru's CQC, I suppose. And since Suhyeon would also have Copy: CQC loaded, it could be applied to him too.

However CatLover, I think Final Flash would make sense as a multiplier even if MC isn't. Suhyeon's stats are all at a proportionally equal level (there being no weakest or 2nd strongest, all of them are equivalent to his highest stat) via the System, meaning if he uses Final Flash and his Immeasurable Speed & Immeasurable Endurance get added to his Immeasurable Strength, it would precisely be as if his Strength was increased from 100% to 300%.

What do you guys think? Shouldn't be too big of a multiplier. @Pyro9278 @WindyAttack

 

[CatLover313]

Hmmm I see, also wym by it's a flat additive increase & not a ratio? He goes from 68kg to 568kg, should that not be a ratio of 1:8.3?

Mass ratio and AP/Strength ratio measure different things. Him going from 68kg→568kg is a ratio of mass increase using his current mass for the ratio, not an actual multiplier either. Also, adding more mass to a swing doesn't mean his body gets 8.3x stronger; it just means there's 8.3x more mass riding in the punch. The card also says it's a flat increase of 500kg, not a percentage or ratio increase. The '8.3x' only exists because you're comparing that fixed 500kg to his current bodyweight: if Suhyeon gained mass and became 100kg, he wouldn't end up at 830kg with Maximum Capacity active; he'd still just be 600kg. So, it's definitely not a multiplier towards AP, and is just an additive increase towards weight/mass.

However CatLover, I think Final Flash would make sense as a multiplier even if MC isn't. Suhyeon's stats are all at a proportionally equal level (there being no weakest or 2nd strongest, all of them are equivalent to his highest stat) via the System, meaning if he uses Final Flash and his Immeasurable Speed & Immeasurable Endurance get added to his Immeasurable Strength, it would precisely be as if his Strength was increased from 100% to 300%.

Neutral, leaning disagree. The card does state a mechanic "converting stats to Strength", but the 300% math only works if you assume Speed/Endurance/Strength draw from one common, summable pool, and there is really nothing that confirms how it works. It could just mean he sacrifices Speed/Endurance to empower a single strike, without that being a literal 1+1+1=3 sum. There's also no explicit ratio or 'X times' statement attached, and it will be something to argue for with a staff member to agree. They'll probably just say keep it as "At least (Blank) level, higher with Self-Destruct".

 

[Aksh_sky]

The only other 'possible' multiplier i could think of is if Shooyun uses loading card to use Haru's CQC, then he'd also scale to hypersonic.

Anyways imma make a crt rq.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Path Johan would scale to CQC Johan and UI Daniel would scale to path Johan so UI Daniel with his own CQC should be Hypersonic+

 

[Pyro9278]

Path Johan would scale to CQC Johan and UI Daniel would scale to path Johan do UI Daniel with his own CQC should be Hypersonic+

Wouldn’t it really be High Hypersonic?

 

[Aksh_sky]

Wouldn’t it really be High Hypersonic?

No. Not really. Would be off like 300 m/s from being HHS.

 

[Pyro9278]

No. Not really. Would be off like 300 m/s from being HHS.

Well, it’s actually so close to the High Hypersonic Baseline that one can argue for a rounding considering that UI Daniel has a better CQC

 

[Aksh_sky]

Injured Adrenaline Gun is fast enough to counter CQC Johan (2741m/s) from a tiny distance, putting him at "at least yada yada". Considering just how much faster he is than this Johan, and how Adrenaline doesn't really boost speed/not to a significant amount, a serious Base Gun should definitely scale to it.

Ye but Adrenaline itself should be a 3x speed multiplier based on the fact that Gun at base was getting blitzed and cooked by Base Johan but in adrenaline he was dodging CQC and destroying Johan.