Lookism Discussion Thread

[Pyro9278]

Ye but Adrenaline itself should be a 3x speed multiplier based on the fact that Gun at base was getting blitzed and cooked by Base Johan but in adrenaline he was dodging CQC and destroying Johan.

The adrenaline only restored Gun's stamina. It's the same base Gun who's overcoming Johan's CQC.

 

[CatLover313]

The adrenaline only restored Gun's stamina. It's the same base Gun who's overcoming Johan's CQC.

Won’t go too much on adrenaline and its effects considering how many arguments there are about that. But the Johan that performs CQC against Gun after he’s in adrenaline is also heavily damaged and fatigued so not like he’s necessarily at his max possible speed, same reason we don’t attribute the HFG TUI multipliers on the fighters in HFG due to the state gun was in before transforming.

 

[Mercury009]

Re-reading the CQC thread, the multiplier was deemed applicable only to people who have a custom CQC (Currently MK and Warren only). So it wouldn't necessarily give a quantifiable speed boost to Johan, if I recall correctly

 

[CatLover313]

Re-reading the CQC thread, the multiplier was deemed applicable only to people who have a custom CQC (Currently MK and Warren only). So it wouldn't necessarily give a quantifiable speed boost to Johan, if I recall correctly

Johan copied MK’s CQC so it’s fair to assume he has the speed/power boost

 

[Mercury009]

I swear I remember something about custom CQC not being copyable but it's been a hot minute, you might be right

 

[Aksh_sky]

Here's the crt folks, https://vsbattles.com/threads/lookism-speed-upgrade.193154/

Ik it lwk looks bad but wtv.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

I swear I remember something about custom CQC not being copyable but it's been a hot minute, you might be right

But yeah that statement from CH485 (which was for Johan only I guess cause he is the only copy user SMK met) got contradicted in CH470 when Warren himself admitted that UI Danny was copying his technique

 

[Mercury009]

I would argue that we shouldn't use UI SB as a baseline for "copy people" because of his inclination to perfect everything but yeah, thats fair

 

[Aksh_sky]

But yeah that statement from CH485 (which was for Johan only I guess cause he is the only copy user SMK met) got contradicted in CH470 when Warren himself admitted that UI Danny was copying his technique

No that's just due to unreliable speaker as there's no evidence that MK had ever met such a competent copy user before. Infact Johan literally ALMOST copied the CQC of one of the most perfect CQC user with a single try, but it took another for him to do so. But if he had proper eyesight, he could've easily done that in first try.

 

[Pxnd_013]

I swear I remember something about custom CQC not being copyable but it's been a hot minute, you might be right

Manager Kim states that Warren's new CQC cannot be copied by anyone. I'm not sure whether this should be considered a unique form of CQC, and so far, no one has actually been shown copying Warren's new CQC.

However, Manager Kim's own unique CQC, White Night, can be taught to other people. For example, Seongho has learned it, and Warren also appears to be able to use it.

Because of that, I think a unique form of CQC should still be considered copyable in principle, since characters are able to teach it to others. It's just that, so far, no character has actually been shown copying it.

 

[Pyro9278]

Won’t go too much on adrenaline and its effects considering how many arguments there are about that. But the Johan that performs CQC against Gun after he’s in adrenaline is also heavily damaged and fatigued so not like he’s necessarily at his max possible speed, same reason we don’t attribute the HFG TUI multipliers on the fighters in HFG due to the state gun was in before transforming.

I’m not sure that Johan was so tired, I think he really was when he woke up his Path but otherwise he could be seen to withstand the attacks of Gun very well.

 

[StrikingMosquito245]

Manager Kim states that Warren's new CQC cannot be copied by anyone. I'm not sure whether this should be considered a unique form of CQC, and so far, no one has actually been shown copying Warren's new CQC.

However, Manager Kim's own unique CQC, White Night, can be taught to other people. For example, Seongho has learned it, and Warren also appears to be able to use it.

Because of that, I think a unique form of CQC should still be considered copyable in principle, since characters are able to teach it to others. It's just that, so far, no character has actually been shown copying it.

Well i would probably take those kinds of statement of CQC being a skill no one can copy with a grain of salt as it wouldn't be the first time that they say one thing only to be disproven later so one can probably assume that either they can't do it or that the people trying to copy it could not reach the needed requirement for copying it. As the statement just stands there with no other explanation ig

 

[Pyro9278]

Manager Kim states that Warren's new CQC cannot be copied by anyone. I'm not sure whether this should be considered a unique form of CQC, and so far, no one has actually been shown copying Warren's new CQC.

However, Manager Kim's own unique CQC, White Night, can be taught to other people. For example, Seongho has learned it, and Warren also appears to be able to use it.

Because of that, I think a unique form of CQC should still be considered copyable in principle, since characters are able to teach it to others. It's just that, so far, no character has actually been shown copying it.

It must also be considered that the CQC can involve countless variants and movements, so with copying the "base" of the CQC you actually already have the base multiplier. SMK only meant that Johan could not copy his style of CQC since it involved more than one martial art, i.e. he was going to try harder to copy everything and wasn’t sure what he would do, Remember that SMK’s CQC involved weapons too then it would be as if Johan copied Goo’s talent.

 

[Pxnd_013]

But yeah that statement from CH485 (which was for Johan only I guess cause he is the only copy user SMK met) got contradicted in CH470 when Warren himself admitted that UI Danny was copying his technique

Warren said that he was too exhausted to use his new CQC. Does that mean he hadn't used his new CQC at all up to that point, or am I misunderstanding it? Or could he have meant that he was simply too exhausted at that moment (after warren had been copied) to use his new CQC anymore?

 

[Aksh_sky]

@Pyro9278 @Pxnd_013 @CatLover313 @StrikingMosquito245

Can y'all check this crt out?

Lookism: Speed Upgrade

So in this crt I'll be scaling the speed of lookism Mid, High and God tiers based on a recent accepted calc(913.85 m/s). To put this simply, this feat is done by a Mid-tier in the overall ptj verse and I'll be discussing here regarding who would scale to this feat and who'll receive multipliers...

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[CatLover313]

Warren said that he was too exhausted to use his new CQC. Does that mean he hadn't used his new CQC at all up to that point, or am I misunderstanding it? Or could he have meant that he was simply too exhausted at that moment (after warren had been copied) to use his new CQC anymore?

Nah you're right, he said that, so UI Daniel copied the normal CQC but not warren's unique version

 

[Pxnd_013]

Well i would probably take those kinds of statement of CQC being a skill no one can copy with a grain of salt as it wouldn't be the first time that they say one thing only to be disproven later so one can probably assume that either they can't do it or that the people trying to copy it could not reach the needed requirement for copying it. As the statement just stands there with no other explanation ig

It must also be considered that the CQC can involve countless variants and movements, so with copying the "base" of the CQC you actually already have the base multiplier. SMK only meant that Johan could not copy his style of CQC since it involved more than one martial art, i.e. he was going to try harder to copy everything and wasn’t sure what he would do, Remember that SMK’s CQC involved weapons too then it would be as if Johan copied Goo’s talent.

Now that I think about it, you're right. So I agree.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Warren said that he was too exhausted to use his new CQC. Does that mean he hadn't used his new CQC at all up to that point, or am I misunderstanding it? Or could he have meant that he was simply too exhausted at that moment2 (after warren had been copied) to use his new CQC anymore?

Nah you're right, he said that, so UI Daniel copied the normal CQC but not warren's unique version

Yeah you both are kinda going off trail cause that statement is after he got beaten by UI Danny but when they were jumping him this was his stance, which clearly shows him using that new CQC

 

[CatLover313]

Yeah you both are kinda going off trail cause that statement is after he got beaten by UI Danny but when they were jumping him this was his stance, which clearly shows him using that new CQC

It was his stance, but the dialogue of him not using his new CQC came after the scene, so the implication is that he used regular CQC against UI Daniel.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

It was his stance, but the dialogue of him not using his new CQC came after the scene, so the implication is that he used regular CQC against UI Daniel.

Again wouldn't make sense that he started with his unique CQC and then ended up using normal CQC without any context or implication cause even Vasco was questioning if he can use Brekdek's techniques yet he took the same stance then him switching to Normal Muay thai, again is kinda iffy

Also that dialogue came after those 3 got busted by UI Danny not at that time when he took the stance

 

[Pxnd_013]

Yeah you both are kinda going off trail cause that statement is after he got beaten by UI Danny but when they were jumping him this was his stance, which clearly shows him using that new CQC

He may have simply been using regular CQC while taking a Jeet Kune Do stance. In the next panel, we see Warren charge directly at PB Daniel, and that's something he could have done with normal CQC alone.

Furthermore, in the following chapter, PB Daniel copies Warren's Jeet Kune Do, but he doesn't copy the CQC along with it. In other words, PB Daniel doesn't use Jeet Kune Do and CQC simultaneously. That would be quite strange if Warren had actually been using his new CQC. If he really was, then why did PB Daniel use the Jeet Kune Do techniques separately from CQC?

However, I'm not very good at English, so it's possible that I misread or misinterpreted the dialo
gue.

 

[Pyro9278]

It was his stance, but the dialogue of him not using his new CQC came after the scene, so the implication is that he used regular CQC against UI Daniel.

Anyway, didn't we agree that UI Daniel improves everything he copies? And we even know that UI Daniel has copies of people he chronologically should never have seen, like Kitae or Jinrang, so I think it's quite likely that UI Daniel has the improved copy of CQC.

 

[Pyro9278]

Anyway, didn't we agree that UI Daniel improves everything he copies? And we even know that UI Daniel has copies of people he chronologically should never have seen, like Kitae or Jinrang, so I think it's quite likely that UI Daniel has the improved copy of CQC.

Interestingly, PTJ foreshadowed the outcome of the fight between Kitae and Lil Daniel UI by stating that Daniel UI was using a copy of Kitae.

 

[CatLover313]

Again wouldn't make sense that he started with his unique CQC and then ended up using normal CQC without any context or implication cause even Vasco was questioning if he can use Brekdek's techniques yet he took the same stance then him switching to Normal Muay thai, again is kinda iffy

Also that dialogue came after those 3 got busted by UI Danny not at that time when he took the stance

I mean, Warren in his dialogue states twice if he can successfully use his new CQC with the 2nd statement being really damning that he couldn't use it (I put a imgchest blog with the entire fight, might be missing a few dialogues where they're just grunting)

Anyway, didn't we agree that UI Daniel improves everything he copies? And we even know that UI Daniel has copies of people he chronologically should never have seen, like Kitae or Jinrang, so I think it's quite likely that UI Daniel has the improved copy of CQC.

I'm more accepting of this, just didn't think the argument that copy users not being able to copy unique CQC's has been disproven yet.

 

[Pyro9278]

I'm more accepting of this, just didn't think the argument that copy users not being able to copy unique CQC's has been disproven yet.

Technically that's the case with UI Daniel, and we can't really compare UI's copying talent with the others.

 

[Pyro9278]

While waiting for the speed CRT to be approved, I think I'll start writing the LS CRT and maybe AP corrections for the other profiles within the verse.

 

[CatLover313]

While waiting for the speed CRT to be approved, I think I'll start writing the LS CRT and maybe AP corrections for the other profiles within the verse.

Didn’t you already correct the AP values for the 2nd gen and 1st gen kings and it got approved?

 

[Pyro9278]

Didn’t you already correct the AP values for the 2nd gen and 1st gen kings and it got approved?

I did it. If you see any missing profiles, it's just because I was too lazy to correct them, and I plan to update the whole profile later. What I really want to do in this CRT is correct the AP of characters like Questism or the MK military trio.

 

[Pyro9278]

I did it. If you see any missing profiles, it's just because I was too lazy to correct them, and I plan to update the whole profile later. What I really want to do in this CRT is correct the AP of characters like Questism or the MK military trio.

And obviously, make the LS upgrade. Although I'm still questioning whether to use Class 100, considering that the gap between S-level and B-level shouldn't be so inhumanly high, and let's remember that B-level barely had any athletic strength.