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Credit to OldMaster on Discord for several of the scans and sources presented below. Credit to Dalesean for helping me with the calcs.
Ok, this CRT will cover several AP, speed, and scaling changes. We'll start in that order.
AP upgrades
First one out of the way, Optimus re-entry calc is now 8-A+ or 650 tons due to us finding a new weight for him by one of the members of the ILM team. But that's not the only upgrade.
Via the ROTF Guidebook, we know The Fallen's energy beams are capable of melting 10 miles below the Earth's surface, which results in High 7-C. And via the DVD character profiles for ROTF, it's stated that Megatron is capable of "toppling mountains". The statement implies frag, which would put this feat at Low 7-B.
Tier 7 is overall pretty consistent with the feats established. And I'll bring the Fallen's scaling later.
Speed upgrades
Optimus' jets have recently been downgraded from Sub Relativistic to Massively Hypersonic+ because I messed up the distance. Optimus should easily scale to this for his regular combat speed, as we're shown Optimus capable of doing manuevers while in mid flight. And unlike Megatron or Starscream's Massively FTL+ speed ratings, this feat happens within the atmosphere, and it doesn't have the same speed anti-feats as either of them when shown within the atmosphere.
Meaning anyone who scales to Optimus in speed should get Massively Hypersonic+ reaction and combat speed.
Scaling
The biggest part of this thread.
2007 to ROTF Optimus should scale to the Fallen. Reasoning to this is simple. Optimus was the biggest threat to the Fallen, with him being the main reason the Fallen did not travel to Earth, even going so far as to state that only Optimus could defeat the Fallen. The whole point of killing Optimus was because he was the only obstacle to the Fallen. And it's not as if Optimus had any other means to kill the Fallen other than sheer AP, because Optimus doesn't really have hax that would suggests things like Durability Negation. This is consistent with how easily jetpower Optimus kills the Fallen
This one isn't a scaling change but more a key merge. So currently, it's not explained how Megatron got stronger in DOTM. But rewatching it, we are shown that Megatron gets more powerful via the absorption of Plutonium and his Life Drain. Which we are shown he's been using on several nobody Autobots prior to fighting Optimus. More importantly, it's established that at the beginning of the chapter, Megatron did not have enough energy to even transform, but gained this ability back after absorbing all the plutonium and life drain.
As for why compile with ROTF, in the clips shown above, Megatron is still in his ROTF body. So this ability pretty clearly comes from that key.
So basically, just compile his DOTM key with "higher with Absorption". The amp is also shown to be pretty permanent anyway. This makes the profile more tidy and less cluttered. Which looks like this:
As for finally, ROTF Megatron is currently the main scaling point of the whole scaling chain, with his Low 7-B standing at 1.54 Megatons. 2007 to ROTF Optimus should scale to At least Low 7-B given how he could easily overpower ROTF Megatron, with ROTF Megatron only being able to stand a chance with reinforcements. This feat being nearly baseline, means anyone who downscales should be High 7-C+.
I've also done revamps for both Optimus Prime and Megatron
Conclusion
Those comparable with ROTF Megatron should scale to Low 7-B.
All those above ROTF Megatron should scale to At least Low 7-B.
Characters who downscale from ROTF Megatron level characters should be High 7-C+.
All who scale to Optimus Prime in speed scales to Massively Hypersonic+
Ok, this CRT will cover several AP, speed, and scaling changes. We'll start in that order.
AP upgrades
First one out of the way, Optimus re-entry calc is now 8-A+ or 650 tons due to us finding a new weight for him by one of the members of the ILM team. But that's not the only upgrade.
Via the ROTF Guidebook, we know The Fallen's energy beams are capable of melting 10 miles below the Earth's surface, which results in High 7-C. And via the DVD character profiles for ROTF, it's stated that Megatron is capable of "toppling mountains". The statement implies frag, which would put this feat at Low 7-B.
Tier 7 is overall pretty consistent with the feats established. And I'll bring the Fallen's scaling later.
Speed upgrades
Optimus' jets have recently been downgraded from Sub Relativistic to Massively Hypersonic+ because I messed up the distance. Optimus should easily scale to this for his regular combat speed, as we're shown Optimus capable of doing manuevers while in mid flight. And unlike Megatron or Starscream's Massively FTL+ speed ratings, this feat happens within the atmosphere, and it doesn't have the same speed anti-feats as either of them when shown within the atmosphere.
Meaning anyone who scales to Optimus in speed should get Massively Hypersonic+ reaction and combat speed.
Scaling
The biggest part of this thread.
2007 to ROTF Optimus should scale to the Fallen. Reasoning to this is simple. Optimus was the biggest threat to the Fallen, with him being the main reason the Fallen did not travel to Earth, even going so far as to state that only Optimus could defeat the Fallen. The whole point of killing Optimus was because he was the only obstacle to the Fallen. And it's not as if Optimus had any other means to kill the Fallen other than sheer AP, because Optimus doesn't really have hax that would suggests things like Durability Negation. This is consistent with how easily jetpower Optimus kills the Fallen
This one isn't a scaling change but more a key merge. So currently, it's not explained how Megatron got stronger in DOTM. But rewatching it, we are shown that Megatron gets more powerful via the absorption of Plutonium and his Life Drain. Which we are shown he's been using on several nobody Autobots prior to fighting Optimus. More importantly, it's established that at the beginning of the chapter, Megatron did not have enough energy to even transform, but gained this ability back after absorbing all the plutonium and life drain.
As for why compile with ROTF, in the clips shown above, Megatron is still in his ROTF body. So this ability pretty clearly comes from that key.
So basically, just compile his DOTM key with "higher with Absorption". The amp is also shown to be pretty permanent anyway. This makes the profile more tidy and less cluttered. Which looks like this:
As for finally, ROTF Megatron is currently the main scaling point of the whole scaling chain, with his Low 7-B standing at 1.54 Megatons. 2007 to ROTF Optimus should scale to At least Low 7-B given how he could easily overpower ROTF Megatron, with ROTF Megatron only being able to stand a chance with reinforcements. This feat being nearly baseline, means anyone who downscales should be High 7-C+.
I've also done revamps for both Optimus Prime and Megatron
Conclusion
Those comparable with ROTF Megatron should scale to Low 7-B.
All those above ROTF Megatron should scale to At least Low 7-B.
Characters who downscale from ROTF Megatron level characters should be High 7-C+.
All who scale to Optimus Prime in speed scales to Massively Hypersonic+
