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Simplest Ben 10 verse Upgrades

REX9097

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  • Humungousaur Lifting Strength
I talked about this before but honestly no one cared about it so I'll bring it back. Humungousaur managed to restrain a Smack Hands of Rex Salazar, he was also able to punch him and make him fly very far, Duncan Rouleau even states that Humungousaur and Diamondhead can comparable to the Smack Hands of Rex, which further supports that Humungousaur is at least on the same level as Rex in Lifting Strength, Rex with his Smack Hands Stopped the Space Elevator (Class G).
So Humungousaur (also Diamondhead)'s lifting strength should become from this
At least Class M (Stronger than Swampfire. Threw a glider into space with this much force), higher at full size (Stated by WoG to be stronger than Four Arms at full size. Managed to lift a house and throw it through several other buildings. Supported the weight of a falling Washington Monument. It has been confirmed that Humungousaur can lift a To'kustar) | At least Class M (Stronger than base form)
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to this
At least Class G (Comparable to Rax make him fly far him and and stop his smack hands. Threw a glider into space with this much force), higher at full size (Stated by WoG to be stronger than Four Arms at full size. Managed to lift a house and throw it through several other buildings. Supported the weight of a falling Washington Monument. It has been confirmed that Humungousaur can lift a To'kustar) | At least Class G (Stronger than base form)
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Diamondhead should become from this
Class K (Comparable to Four Arms and Kevin 11) | At least Class M (Much stronger than before, should be comparable to Four Arms)
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to this
Class K (Comparable to Four Arms and Kevin 11) | Class G (Much stronger than before, should be comparable to Rex with his Smack Hands)
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  • Contumelia
This is very bad
Unknown, Hyperverse level with technology (Created the Annihilarrgh which created the realm of the timestream structure[1])
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as it does not explain how strong Contumelia is, which should be at least Low 1-C because as we know they are 5 dimensional beings which are considered Pan-dimensional beings and also 3 dimensional beings they don't have the awareness to be aware his true forms, which further supports that they are Higher-Dimensional beings. So it should look somthing like this
At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Stated that he is a 5th dimensional beings, lower-dimensional beings cannot perceive it), Hyperverse level with technology (Created the Annihilarrgh which created the realm of the timestream structure[1])
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  • Alien X Plot Manipulation
Biological Manipulation is placed instead of Plot Manipulation even though Celestialsapiens were capable of canonically the reason why the art style and voice actors change within Ben 10 verse. So this Celestialsapians are able to change the plot. This is not just Reality Warping, because the voice actors have changed. Celestialsapians are the avatars of the creators of the series. All those who worked on Ben 10 are canonically Celestialsapians. He see all Space-time continuum as fantasy.
So should change Biological Manipulation to Plot Manipulation like this
Plot Manipulation (Canonically the reason why the art style and voice actors change within Ben 10 Multiverse)
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Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING
Disagree: @Aolphl, @Reiner04, @Accelerated_Evolution, @Ghengiroo115, @Lloydblitzed, @Firestorm808, @Maverick_Zero_X
Neutral: @NXCHT.66
  • D'Void Attack Potency
D'void created the machine which creating a hole between the universe and null void. It was to connect the both worlds. This was also stated by dvoid himself. Thus, machine was affecting the whole dimension. It was a gateway. It was also stated many times
If you know The Wrench, he must be warned. This entire dimension is becoming destabilized.
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Uh, Mr. Wrench, I don't mean to get in the middle of your war, but this whole dimension is destabilizing
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Ben said this again and Grandpa max confirmed this by saying this is happening very fast.
This means he was also aware of it, which causes an affect the entire Null Void which gives D'Void Universe level+ Environmental Destruction with technology

Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl, @Reiner04, @Accelerated_Evolution, @Ghengiroo115, @Lloydblitzed, @Apollonir.Scale, @Firestorm808
Disagree:
Neutral: @NXCHT.66
  • Big Chill Temperature Manipulation
Big Chill can drop the temperature of anything he chooses to just this side of absolute zero.

Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl, @Reiner04, @Accelerated_Evolution, @Ghengiroo115, @NXCHT.66, @Lloydblitzed, @Firestorm808, @Apollonir.Scale
Disagree:
Neutral:
  • Gwen new abilities
Anodite are beings made of Mana and in this scene Ben 10,000 using Mana was able to block a blast from Eon's time ray which ages target into dust so this gives Gwen Anodite Form Resistance to Age Manipulation

Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl, @Firestorm808, @Lloydblitzed, @Apollonir.Scale
Disagree: @Reiner04
Neutral: @Accelerated_Evolution, @Ghengiroo115, @NXCHT.66
 
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Ben 10 casts will be class P as soon as I get the time to apply last thread (I swear I'll in this month. Trust me)
 
LS: They are accepted to be class P so Unnecessarily.

DVoid Low 2-C rating: That's just Low 2-C with Enviromental destruction/chain reaction as that machine was destabilizing the nullvoid. So Disagree with direct scaling to Low 2-C.

Bigchill heat Manipulation: Fine.

Alien X plot manp: there is no metafictional Element in Ben 10 yet. So Disagree.

Ben 10000: He's only half anodite and we don't know how much he has mastered his powers. So Disagree.

Contumelis: Just being higher dimensional means nothing here. Disagree.
 
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Reiner04 said:
DVoid Low 2-C rating: That's just Low 2-C with Enviromental destruction/chain reaction as that machine was destabilizing the nullvoid. So Disagree with direct scaling to Low 2-C.
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I literally mentioned this as he is able to put it in D'Void AP, it can be put like this
Universe level+ Environmental Destruction with technology (Created the Machine which creating a hole between the universe and null void, which causes an affect on the entire Null Void)
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Reiner04 said:
Alien X plot manp: there is no metafictional Element in Ben 10 yet. So Disagree.
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"voice and appearance has changed on at least three occasions "directly refers to art style and voice actors. He used "at least" which means that more than three because of live action movies and sgi animation movies and comics. Also Acts style mean ink's. Everything in an animated show is bound to its art style but the comic book is ink's and Celestialsapiens manipulated the franchise. Celestialsapiens can voice actors have changed.

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Reiner04 said:
Ben 10000: He's only half anodite and we don't know how much he has mastered his powers. So Disagree.
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Being half Anodite does not debunking that Anodite is not affected by Eon's time ray and does not even turn mana into sand and mana not aged. So Gwen Anodite form still have Resistance to Age Manipulation
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REX9097 said:
I literally mentioned this as he is able to put it in D'Void AP, it can be put like this
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That's fine then.
REX9097 said:
"voice and appearance has changed on at least three occasions "directly refers to art style and voice actors. He used "at least" which means that more than three because of live action movies and sgi animation movies and comics. Also Acts style mean ink's. Everything in an animated show is bound to its art style but the comic book is ink's and Celestialsapiens manipulated the franchise. Celestialsapiens can voice actors have changed.
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No. It's 100% leading question which is against our site rules.
 
Reiner04 said:
No. It's 100% leading question which is against our site rules.
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I will further support this because it sees all space-time continuum as fantasy and this is one of conditions of Plot Manipulation in this wiki, also Joe Kelly himself says that this could get him fired from his job, meaning that they can change Joe Kelly, and Celestialsapians are the avatars of the creators of the series. All those who worked on Ben 10 are canonically Celestialsapians
Plot Manipulation is the ability to create, destroy, or control the plot that governs reality. Commonly found in metafictional stories, the plot can be understood as a fundamental aspect of reality once one views that reality as fictional. It is the description of the world that doesn't only describe, but determines, reality itself. As such, by altering the plot, one can achieve virtually any effect, in a similar fashion as with Reality Warping.
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Plot Hax is for franchises that canonically work with metaficctional elements, something that Ben 10 doesn´t

I also disagree with Low 1-C Contumelia FRA

I agree with Reiner on the rest
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Plot Hax is for franchises that canonically work with metaficctional elements, something that Ben 10 doesn´t
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Celestialsapians are the avatars of the creators of the series. All those who worked on Ben 10 are canonically Celestialsapians. Also stated Celestialsapiens can changed the voice actors, and also stated he see Ben 10 verse are fictional.
So this must be confidently Plot Manipulation
 
REX9097 said:
Celestialsapians are the avatars of the creators of the series. All those who worked on Ben 10 are canonically Celestialsapians. Also stated Celestialsapiens can changed the voice actors, and also stated he see Ben 10 verse are fictional.
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None of this proves the series canonically exists under a plot

The people who worked on the show being Celestialsapiens In-Verse, means that, well, the people who worked on the show are Celestialsapiens In-Verse, lol, not that there are people who canonically write the script of the show, just that the Celestialspaiens rules and are responsable for everything that happens in the cosmology

Ben 10 never talked about metafictional elements, Alien X changing the art style is just he warping reality

"See Space-Time as a storybook" just means that he has more dimensions than it, as explained by the scan itself
 
I mostly have the same thoughts as Reiner. With the proposal for Anodites to have resistance to age manipulation, I think it would make more sense to just give mana shields that resistance instead.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
I mostly have the same thoughts as Reiner. With the proposal for Anodites to have resistance to age manipulation, I think it would make more sense to just give mana shields that resistance instead.
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Mana/energy and stuff aren't organic things. They don't age naturally.
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
None of this proves the series canonically exists under a plot

The people who worked on the show being Celestialsapiens In-Verse, means that, well, the people who worked on the show are Celestialsapiens In-Verse, lol, not that there are people who canonically write the script of the show, just that the Celestialspaiens rules and are responsable for everything that happens in the cosmology

Ben 10 never talked about metafictional elements, Alien X changing the art style is just he warping reality

"See Space-Time as a storybook" just means that he has more dimensions than it, as explained by the scan itself
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This is getting ridiculous. We give bugs bunny, arale and similar characters plot manip for being/affecting the writters. Yet celest who LITERALLY work on the drawing team doesn't count????
 
Livinmeme said:
This is getting ridiculous. We give bugs bunny, arale and similar characters plot manip for being/affecting the writters. Yet celest who LITERALLY work on the drawing team doesn't count????
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Both Bugs and Arale canonically live in a metafictional world where they are governed by a plot, Alien X doesn´t, simple as that
 
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Eh true. I’m confused though, does that mean none of it should have resistance to age manip or that full Anodites should have that resistance?
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They are characters so u can just write inorganic Physiology and describe it or u can just choose to write their resistance individually. But idt we give energy attacks like kamehameha resistance towards age manp.
 
Thinking better, the energy shield was just blocking the blast and, by doing that, negating its effects in an uncounventional way, so i don´t think it qualifies as a resistance
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Both Bugs and Arale canonically live in a metafictional world where they are governed by a plot, Alien X doesn´t, simple as that
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...If you ignore how the author mentioned how the celest literally draw the show. Now try to give me a LOGICAL explination on why the literal meaning of plot manip...Isn't plot manip
 
Livinmeme said:
...If you ignore how the author mentioned how the celest literally draw the show.
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He never mentioned they direct draw the show, just change its art style and voice actors

Celestialsapiens are the god tiers of the cartoon, basically the ones that rules and govern everything that happens in the universe, they exist in a similar way that the writers, but not act literally as them in a metafictional way, something that, as i said above, Ben 10 never approached

Livinmeme said:
Now try to give me a LOGICAL explination on why the literal meaning of plot manip...Isn't plot manip
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Try to prove me that he understood "Plot Manipulation" in the same way we understand it

The Twitter comment was assuming that "Change the art style and voice actors in a way that ins´t implied to be metafictional = Can change the whole plot of the show in a metafictional way", what ins´t true
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
He never mentioned they direct draw the show, just change its art style and voice actors

Celestialsapiens are the god tiers of the cartoon, basically the ones that rules and govern everything that happens in the universe, they exist in a similar way that the writers, but not act literally as them in a metafictional way, something that, as i said above, Ben 10 never approached


Try to prove me that he understood "Plot Manipulation" in the same way we understand it

The Twitter comment was assuming that "Change the art style and voice actors in a way that ins´t implied to be metafictional = Can change the whole plot of the show in a metafictional way", what ins´t true
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https://twitter.com/ngKhoaVTrn1/status/1575097632589914112
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Thinking better, the energy shield was just blocking the blast and, by doing that, negating its effects in an uncounventional way, so i don´t think it qualifies as a resistance
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Even Diamondhead's his crystals blocking blasts like Mana, both of which were not affected by Eon's time ray, and Diamondhead has obtained Resistance to Age Manipulation here
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Therefore, Gwen's Anodite Form should be given the same thing, because mana, as we know, is not affected by Eon's time ray, and Anodites are beings composed of mana.
 
REX9097 said:
Even Diamondhead's his crystals blocking blasts like Mana, both of which were not affected by Eon's time ray, and Diamondhead has obtained Resistance to Age Manipulation here

Therefore, Gwen's Anodite Form should be given the same thing, because mana, as we know, is not affected by Eon's time ray, and Anodites are beings composed of mana.
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Well, that changes the situation i guess

I am neutral on this, inclined to agree

Livinmeme said:


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I literally answered to that in the above comment
 
Even a kid would understand what plot manipulation given the context of the talk. Specially when he jokes that "he fears that the celests would steal his job"
 
Livinmeme said:
Even a kid would understand what plot manipulation given the context of the talk. Specially when he jokes that "he fears that the celests would steal his job"
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I really liked the moment Alien X exit the cartoon and fired Joe Kelly, truly one of the Cartoon Network moments of all time

Seriously, i already explained this:
Accelerated_Evolution said:
The Twitter comment was assuming that "Change the art style and voice actors in a way that ins´t implied to be metafictional = Can change the whole plot of the show in a metafictional way", what ins´t true
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Ben 10 doesn´t works with metafiction and never worked with it
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
I really liked the moment Alien X exit the cartoon and fired Joe Kelly, truly one of the Cartoon Network moments of all time

Seriously, i already explained this:
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Stop being disingenuous. My point is that he understood what the nerd was bambling about, otherwise he wouldn't do a joke about how the plot manip being would steal his job
 
Livinmeme said:
Stop being disingenuous. My point is that he understood what the nerd was bambling about, otherwise he wouldn't do a joke about how the plot manip being would steal his job
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The show never showed the changes as anything outside of Reality Warping

The nerd said something that ins´t Plot hax and wasn´t never presented as such and asked later if Alien X had Plot Hax:

Hey in Ben10 omniverse it is shown that celestialsapiens can literally make real changes in the show like the art style and the voice changes
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Changes that were never presented as metafictional In-Verse

So does alien x or celestialsapiens have plot manipulation can they change the entire plot of the ben 10 franchise?
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Question about Plot Hax

Death of the author goes brr in these type of situations

Reiner04 said:
Ben is not anodite. He's half anodite and also that he hasn't mastered his anodite powers enough to achieve anodite form, unlike Gwen.
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I messed up this part, lol

I will disagree for Reiner reasons
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
The show never showed the changes as anything outside of Reality Warping

The nerd said something that ins´t Plot hax and wasn´t never presented as such and asked later if Alien X had Plot Hax:
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The writter said that the changes were on a plot level, try to argue that the writter actually doesn't know what they are talking about, and it is instead RW for...Reasons. Sorry, But I am going with WOG here
 
Livinmeme said:
The writter said that the changes were on a plot level, try to argue that the writter actually doesn't know what they are talking about, and it is instead RW for...Reasons. Sorry, But I am going with WOG here
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He answered with a "I suppose so", showing that even he doesn´t 100% believes on that or wasn´t sure what was been talking about

He didn´t said that the changes were on a metafictional level (Something that, guess what? Ben 10 never worked it!)

The nerd tried to make Joe say that Alien X can control all of the narrative in a metafictional with an example of a feat that even ins´t metafictional

Honestly, this discussion is giving me that High 1-B Dragon Ball via Koyama statements vibes
 
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