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Marvel Cinematic Universe - MCU Super Soldier 8-C tiers downgrade

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Ok, so atm super soldier tier characters are being scaled to 8-C (Building level) via Shuri being able to withstand a portion of the Royal Talon Fighter calculated at 0.83 tons of TNT (Building level).

The calculation in question is perfectly fine I have no contention. But a big issue with this feat in question is that Shuri wears a vibranium suit known as the Panther Habit, and the big thing about them is that they absorb the kinetic energy of whatever damage they take, so it's likely Shuri could've just absorbed the Kinetic Energy of the blast, which would make sense because afterwards she pierces through Namor's body with her claws to unleash a pretty large kinetic energy blast. (2:21 for timecode). So it's very likely Shuri can absorb enough energy to such yield she can unleash it as well.


Anti-feats against being 8-C.

Another important thing to address is that super soldier tiers have a few anti-feats where room level explosions are treated as a big deal to the point characters like Cap need to block most of the energy with the shield.

Examples:

While it may seem like very few, these do make narrative sense with Cap consistently blocking explosive-based attacks throughout the movies, along with little to no supporting feats for Building level outside Shuri which I already gone over. And with Cap's Quicksilver feat being out of the picture.


New Suggestions/Changes
I would say go for Tier 9-A (Small Building level) for super soldier tiers as we already have Cap being able to toss Ultron at a concrete pillar (0.01306 tons of TNT). In which the calc was accepted.

For Black Panther and Shuri they should go the follow; Small Building level physically. Varies, up to Small Building level+ with Kinetic Energy Pulse.
Going off this feat calculated at 0.186495 tons of TNT (Small Building level+).

Another change is going off 0.01306 tons of TNT (Cap's feat), peak human tiers such as Black Widow and Hawkeye get a new value of 0.001306 tons of TNT (Wall level) via Crossbones stated to be weaker than his gauntlets physically by 10 times, with Crossbones' gauntlets being able to harm Captain America.


Characters Effected by Changes:
I might've missed a few but I'm a little lazy to add everyone so that's what I got.

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Gonna just quickly point out that people can harm the Panther Habit in the MCU. So... they scale. Also 10x upscale from peak humans.
Yes, but it's very much possible Shuri's suit absorbed the explosion's energy which is supported by her unleashing a large blast against Namor which at it's peak is Small Building+ (mind you explosions are based on area of effect)
 
Hmmmmmm I think a separate CRT should be made in that case 🤔
 
Aren't the first two feats only applicable to Post-Civil War Ant-Man?
Afaik, peak human characters don't have any inverse towards that Ant-Man
 
Aren't the first two feats only applicable to Post-Civil War Ant-Man?
No offense but like he ain't having some dragon ball training arc or anything, he isn't growing stronger over the course of the movies he's just getting different gear but his physical stats haven't changed in any meaningful way and never do they note any growth statements so like I don't think that matter much tbh.
Not exactly
okay just wanted to be sure since there was no real specification of what you were meaning by that
 
Aren't the first two feats only applicable to Post-Civil War Ant-Man?
Afaik, peak human characters don't have any inverse towards that Ant-Man
Ant-Man scales the same for his normal form in all key. In other words, his base form remains the same in all key.
 
Isn’t the kinetic pulse an omnidirectional attack? Like ISL actually being applied for the feat actually should make it substantially higher because the rock destroyed is ought to be farther than the origin of the blast.

Edit: didn’t see the video in the OP, sorry, but it sort of still applies
 
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Isn’t the kinetic pulse an omnidirectional attack? Like ISL actually being applied for the feat actually should make it substantially higher because the rock destroyed is ought to be farther than the origin of the blast.

Edit: didn’t see the video in the OP, sorry, but it sort of still applies
We low-balled and just used the normal explosion formula because getting source power from stuff being destroyed at the edge for lower-than-celestial-objects is whack.
 
Yeah, there's no real indication that Scott Lang was doing much to extensively train as Ant-Man post-Civil War in any way that would give him a notable stat boost:
  • Between Civil War and Ant-Man and the Wasp, he spends the whole period on house arrest for two years
  • Between Ant-Man and the Wasp and Endgame, during the five year gap, he's stuck in the Quantum Realm for what felt like only hours from his perspective
  • Between Endgame and Quantumania, Cassie made it seem like he was more focused on promoting his book then being active as a superhero
I'm still of the opinion that Shuri can't be that much weaker than dehydrated Namor, considering she visibly caused him pain with a kick even before he withstood the High 8-C part of the Royal Talon Fighter explosion.
 
I donk know, I think her kick is only effective because she is practically bludgeoning him with vibranium which has plot convenient material properties, maybe deeper analysis is required because at face value I could see Cap downscaling somewhat from namor off him getting slammed with the shield so often.
 
I'm not sure the Black Panther suit would be quite as effective at magnifying blunt impact force compared to Cap's shield, considering the shield is essentially a solid piece of vibranium, whereas the nanites comprising Shuri's suit behave more fluidly in comparison. Even if we assumed that Shuri were to scale to as little as about 47% of Namor's durability, that would still leave her at baseline High 8-C.
 
No offense but like he ain't having some dragon ball training arc or anything, he isn't growing stronger over the course of the movies he's just getting different gear but his physical stats haven't changed in any meaningful way and never do they note any growth statements so like I don't think that matter much tbh.

Yeah, Ant-Man doesn't have any boosts in power or anything across the films, not in his base anyways. The Peak Human tiers can likely stay 9-A
 
Bump

Dinobot's arguments seem to make sense.
 
I'm not sure the Black Panther suit would be quite as effective at magnifying blunt impact force compared to Cap's shield, considering the shield is essentially a solid piece of vibranium, whereas the nanites comprising Shuri's suit behave more fluidly in comparison. Even if we assumed that Shuri were to scale to as little as about 47% of Namor's durability, that would still leave her at baseline High 8-C.
I think Shuri should downscale from Namor based on their fight. Anyways I’m going to have to disagree based on what’s been said so far.
 
Rn, I disagree

Honestly, even if the Shuri feat isn't used, there's the Crossbones gauntlets x10 multiplier off of the 9-A guys would still push the Super Soldier tiers into 8-C, which OP doesn't address
 
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