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Hazbin Hotel FTL Addition

ShionAH

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Back to it. FTL was removed here and here. Because it is an "outlier".

Let me put the feats down
  • Emily directly outspeed Might of Lilith (1.7c)
    • Adressing the feat
    • At 3.53 Vox locks in and fires at Alastor. I don't understand how you thought he fired 4 seconds later when they literally SHOW us when he actually fired. Furthermore Charlie reacts to this attack so its definitely accurate in the timing of events

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      At 3.55 which is 2 seconds later when Charlie reacts, Emily starts flying from their location to Al.

      At 3.56 she is already there and grabs him, pulls him out of the jaw all while we SEE the beam STILL traveling in the background. It didn't "just fire" we ALREADY saw it fire two entire scenes ago!!

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      And that is NOT all, Emily then TURNS AROUND before the beam can actually tag her!! Literally if she just flew down or tried to dodge instead of getting shocked and off guarded I bet she would have dodged it just fine especially since it barely only hit one of her wings. No idea how you can see her face and think "yeah she definitely knew what to do here but couldn't because of the speed difference" lmao?? Girl has never been in a argument let alone battle for like her entire life, was she supposed to do a tactical roll and matrix her way out??

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      She can not do ANY of this if she was Subconic. That would make her 2.6 million times slower than MoL.
    • This was removed because "its an outlier". Thats the entire argument used to remove it.
  • Alastor reacts to Might of Lilith (1.7c)
    • Adressing the feat
    • He directly looks back and reacts to the beam hitting Emily
  • Stolas directly flies at this speed
    • He is super close on a moon but right after that we see Stolas flew away from it before the explosion, this isn't a portal usage as we see the portal is not used to get there but specifically to go back to home
    • This was removed because "its an outlier". Thats the entire argument used to remove it.

A little supporting feat thats dubious
  • Baxter reacts to Vox electricity through wires
    • Some CGMs say this isn't the speed used at all times but there are some stuff I saw that imply. Nonetheless using the higher SoL end would simply make it more consistent than even before.


Now to the "antifeats".

So this downgrade focuses on the use of guns, which is just... not it. Here is a whole bunch of profiles with insane speed ratings all of which use "regular guns"

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Excuse me? Those are ANGELIC WEAPONS. YOUR CRT literally scales them to 5-B. Why would we use REGULAR GUN speeds for supernatural planet buster killer guns. Please enlighten me.
Again. These are the guns of Overlords, from Hell. Made from the materials of Hell. Who knows maybe enhanced or empowered by their magic AND they are literally play fighting here...
Again. Not normal guns. Its literally rated to be 8-C and arguably they might be Angelic Weapons because they could threaten Niffty and worry Alastor. Meanwhile Striker's are most definitely Angelic Weapons. AND we know IMP have supernatural guns.

Literally the ONLY characters who actually suffer from the antifeats are IMPs like Blitz who are still very casual bullet timers. IMPs. You know the lowest of the low for Hellaverse. We are downgrading Lucifer because of Moxxie. Let that sink in...



A small section for the only possible antifeat.
My problem with this is that I don't see why we would assume this is MHS+ let alone actual Lighting. I don't see when or how the OP even proved that it was lol? From what I see their main form of proof is this scene where it looks like it comes from the clouds. But to me it is just an artistic choice and even then its hard to see if it comes from the clouds or from above it. Additionally this happens when Vox makes a deal, how do we know this applies to his teleportation? His teleportation clearly doesn't come from the clouds. AND from what Ik Lighting can be faster than MHS?

Just a whole lot of questions without any evidence provided lol.

Even if we accept this then it would be 1 MHS feat vs like 3 FTL feats. So still not the consistent end to use.



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Don't you need at least 3 months before trying to revert a CRT that had a major argument and controversy in it?
 
StrymULTRA said:
Don't you need at least 3 months before trying to revert a CRT that had a major argument and controversy in it?
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Though Orange understood otherwise
 
Using Alucard is not a good example.

He only uses pistols against fodder, basically, or when he's not fighting seriously. The moment he gets serious, he discards the pistols and only fights physically with his hands (at level 1).

Any character who makes Alucard fight seriously has already demonstrated the ability to dodge his shots or other firearms.
 
I only agreed to the removal due to the anti-feats, as the instance disproving Emily reacted to it doesn't make sense at all.

I'll put my input later.
 
ShionAH said:
Stolas directly flies at this speed
  • He is super close on a moon but right after that we see Stolas flew away from it before the explosion, this isn't a portal usage as we see the portal is not used to get there but specifically to go back to home
  • This was removed because "its an outlier". Thats the entire argument used to remove it.
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Context on this? Calc technically isn't even evaluated, which isn't conductive for debate
 
Shion, not that I disagree with you (I do agree), but why this CRT so soon? If this is accepted, any speed calculation below the speed of light will be priority 4 man! Damn!
 
And I disagree that Vox's lightning bolts aren't real; even disregarding the fact that Vox transforms and summons CtG lightning, it still meets enough requirements to be classified as real lightning.

But mhs+ speed is the minimum for these lightning bolts; they can be faster.
 
Since OP has two "valid" FTL feats, it's safe to assume it would be fun CRT. Can't just ignore feats as outlier.

ShionAH said:
Back to it. FTL was removed here and here. Because it is an "outlier
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Change link to megaCRT from current one to this one, since current one links to page 3 instead of opening.


ShionAH said:
He is super close on a moon but right after that we see Stolas flew away from it before the explosion, this isn't a portal usage as we see the portal is not used to get there but specifically to go back to home
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Why would his combat speed scale to flight speed? Did anyone intercepted him while he was flying at top speed?

ShionAH said:
A little supporting feat thats dubious
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It's better to not to bring this up
 
The light traveled dozens of meters, perhaps even a few kilometers, while the character made only a few movements, and she saw the light while it was still very far away. She should at least be able to dodge it if he had even half the speed of the attack.
 
Celest_Void said:
The light traveled dozens of meters, perhaps even a few kilometers, while the character made only a few movements, and she saw the light while it was still very far away. She should at least be able to dodge it if he had even half the speed of the attack.
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The entire scene happens in like 1/2 seconds, and Emily needed to get Alastor out from the jaws of Shok.Wav, which leaves here with one entire second (or less than that) to react and dodge the thing...and she is barely faster than that.
 
For the first argument charlie didnt really reacted to m.o.l he shotout alostor because the shark almost got him and emily just saved him.
But in the scene, we see when vox aimed m.o.l to the alostor and shots, there is nobody in his around, which means emily saved alostor after m.o.l shoted by vox(i feels like the feat is invalid but i cant say)

For alostor reacting feat, alostor didnt react m.o.l he only reacted mol just after emily got hit and m.o.l already passed them so much.
For stolas feat, its probably just teleportation or maybe space flight but not combat.
İ dont really accept ftl speeds(lucifer should get it)
İts would be good to see if vox had a mhs scaling btw.
And also i want to ask something, why adams holy light cant be consider as light speed?
 
Okay let me repeat what I said here on St0l@s' feat:

The feat is interpreted in the blog like this: since we see Stolas in 2:18 on the Moon and then we see him back at his house near portal at 2:26, he flew from Moon to portal in 8 seconds. Except… he didn’t. His voice sounds the same throughout 2:18-2:26, but if he flew during that time, it would have been silent and becoming louder while he was flying. Secondly, we should have actually seen him flying or getting into the portal, since camera’s POV is a bit behind the portal. Yet he doesn’t come into his house, he is already there.
Thus the correct interpretation as it stands is that at 2:18 Stolas is at the Moon, then there was a timeskip in which Stolas flew back, then at 2:19 till 2:26 we are shown what happened after Stolas flew back. Otherwise the scene doesn’t make much sense physically.

That bird has no horse in FTL args.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Okay let me repeat what I said here on St*las' feat:

The feat is interpreted in the blog like this: since we see St*las in 2:18 on the Moon and then we see him back at his house near portal at 2:26, he flew from Moon to portal in 8 seconds. Except… he didn’t. His voice sounds the same throughout 2:18-2:26, but if he flew during that time, it would have been silent and becoming louder while he was flying. Secondly, we should have actually seen him flying or getting into the portal, since camera’s POV is a bit behind the portal. Yet he doesn’t come into his house, he is already there.
Thus the correct interpretation as it stands is that at 2:18 St*las is at the Moon, then there was a timeskip in which St*las flew back, then at 2:19 till 2:26 we are shown what happened after St*las flew back. Otherwise the scene doesn’t make much sense physically.

That bird has no horse in FTL args
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Okay let me repeat what I said here on St0l@s' feat:

The feat is interpreted in the blog like this: since we see Stolas in 2:18 on the Moon and then we see him back at his house near portal at 2:26, he flew from Moon to portal in 8 seconds. Except… he didn’t. His voice sounds the same throughout 2:18-2:26, but if he flew during that time, it would have been silent and becoming louder while he was flying. Secondly, we should have actually seen him flying or getting into the portal, since camera’s POV is a bit behind the portal. Yet he doesn’t come into his house, he is already there.
Thus the correct interpretation as it stands is that at 2:18 Stolas is at the Moon, then there was a timeskip in which Stolas flew back, then at 2:19 till 2:26 we are shown what happened after Stolas flew back. Otherwise the scene doesn’t make much sense physically.

That bird has no horse in FTL args.
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Logic?in the Hellaverse songs?
 
Aytugsss said:
For the first argument charlie didnt really reacted to m.o.l he shotout alostor because the shark almost got him and emily just saved him.
But in the scene, we see when vox aimed m.o.l to the alostor and shots, there is nobody in his around, which means emily saved alostor after m.o.l shoted by vox(i feels like the feat is invalid but i cant say)

For alostor reacting feat, alostor didnt react m.o.l he only reacted mol just after emily got hit and m.o.l already passed them so much.
For stolas feat, its probably just teleportation or maybe space flight but not combat.
İ dont really accept ftl speeds(lucifer should get it)
İts would be good to see if vox had a mhs scaling btw.
And also i want to ask something, why adams holy light cant be consider as light speed?
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Stolas didn't use teleportation; the only time in the series he explicitly uses teleportation is when he expels Blitzø from his mansion, and it has both a distinctive effect and sound that aren't shown in that scene.

Yes, Stolas's solo feat could be considered spaceflight speed (even though we have no evidence that Stolas gets fast in space), but together with Emily's, it's consistent.

Emilly's feat is strange, but still, she reached Alastor by a good margin before the MoL beam, and apparently reacted to the beam sufficiently for Alastor to be far away from her after being hit, and only have one wing damaged. On the other hand, it's a rather confusing feat, and alone it wouldn't hold up on a scale, but together with Stolas's feat, it makes sense.

It's also worth mentioning that during the song in episode 2 of HB, Stolas sees planets and the Moon being slowly pulled and destroyed by the star before it explodes as a supernova. Even if, for these objects to reach the star before the lullaby ends, they have to be relativistic at the very least. Although there's no exact calculation for this since I didn't expect Shion to do a summary 1 day after the end of the Mega CRT.

Regarding the lightning feat, it would be at least Mach 30 and at most Mach 3000; it's a good supporting feat, but it would be good to decide on a value and explain why it's there, but again, surprise CRT.

Adam's light, while meeting the requirements to be SoL, has minimal concussive impact (or at least that's what CGMs say), so it cannot have that speed.
 
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