Eden_Warlock99
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Nah, there's no consensus.
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Hazbin Hotel LS Revision
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The_Renegade_Slugger
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Disagree with Class M FRAHopefully this goes well, it won't.
Emily was able to rescue and take Alastor out of Shok.wavs grip.
In this scene his arm is fine despite the blood we see so she didn't just rip it off.
BUT as @Eden_Warlock99 may argue...
Even later on despite his arm looking more damaged, his fingers and arm are still intact. Implying again she didn't just rip it off.
Yeah Emily level characters would be Class M
Alastor's single tentacle is Class G right now.
Lucifer is directly stated to be stronger than Alastor many times, possess a divine power that trumps over that of demons meaning his magic would be above Alastor's own magic that scales to this value. And come on, like... it's Lucifer. He is leagues above Al let alone a casual feat one of his tentacles could achieve. Adam upscales from this because he directly overpowered Lucifer in a grappling contest
Agree: 7 (@ShionAH, @StoneKillerz12, @OmenISTIRED, @Aolphl, @Anonymous_Learner [Neutral on Class M], @OiEuSouDuvi, @Qurbonboev)
Disagree: 2 (@DaReaperMan, @Eden_Warlock99 [Neutral on Lucifer])
Neutral:
I don't think the Vivzie quote is saying what you think it's saying. In the clip they repeatedly use the phrase "dominion", that Angels have "dominion" over demons. Here they specify that Angel power and demon power are separate things; they're describing it as more of a hax situation opposed to a raw power differential.
I do though think it is narratively reasonable that Lucifer would be above Al's magic, I just don't like this justification. I'd agree to At least Class K, Likely Class G, unless there's something else to support it
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Agree.
ShionAH
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For Class G only one person disagrees and they believe it should be a Likely rating
For Class M Eden disagrees because of circular scaling and the mouth not moving, I did reply to this in the first page but I believe OP alr has everything to debunk such claim.
Other than that everyone seems to be agreeing. So 1 disagree for each
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ShionAH
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Opinions on @Qurbonboev saying Emily can be scaled to the half of Class M (since they were two people doing the feat) to get rid of any sircular scaling?
The_Renegade_Slugger
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I'd be down for that
Eden_Warlock99
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The whole "They just ripped Alastor off Shok.wav's jaw rather than overpowering his LS" is the more important point, I feel.
Also in regards to this.
Lute got incapacitated by a boulder not too larger than herself, and was forced to amputate her own arm to free herself.
Charlie also struggles to lift a building chunk.
Class K is more than consistent for them.
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Okay, but following the logic of the Lute scene, Emily and Alastor should have amputated Alastor's arm instead of pulling it. Since that didn't happen, doesn't that mean that together they managed to oppose the force of Shok.wav's measure to remove Alastor's arm from his mouth?
Not to mention the smaller contact area of the Shok.wav's sharp teeth, which should facilitate amputation with a penetrating AP, and yet Alastor's arm was injured but not amputated.
ShionAH
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Eden, I already explained it to you. HIS ENTIRE hand a whole chunk of his arm was bitten, if it was "ripped" off then Alastor WOULDNT HAVE AN ARM. You are genuinly stonewalling with this argument at this point, please stop.
A singular antifeat you used three times in three separate sections of the verse, it's just funny at this point.
We don't see how big it is so you cannot use this as anything. For all we know its super dense material, if we calculated it we'd find the lowest ball possible but we can never know the actual high end of it.
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You've listed me fine, there's not much to say other than "I disagree"
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You're misunderstanding the point. Eden isn't saying that Alastor's arm was ripped off, but that he was ripped off (ie, separated) from the mouth. That takes less force than to fully overpower the force of a bite because of the difference between pulling and crushing. The result of this... They don't actually scale to Shock.wav LS.
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Because flesh is elastic as ****. Don't get me wrong, they are overpowering some force, but we genuinely aren't able to calc exactly how much because of the lack of detail. The absolute best I can see, the blood shown after Alastor's arm was removed suggests they at least overpowered flesh tensile strength, but the lack of detail in the artstyle wouldn't let us get a proper area.
However, I am not an expert there, so it would probably be best to ask a calc group member
ShionAH
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We see blood sure but like... his arm looks completely fine in that scene, in the second scene its his hand thats bloody and not the arm part that was actually ripped off. So I don't know how to feel about this.
Edit: Is it not possible Alastor bled after he was directly bitten and removing him caused that blood to spit out?? I don't see no flesh ripping
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Yeah, that's why I say... We don't know, lol. But they definitely aren't overpowering the bite or the mouth would've genuinely opened up.
It is what it is.
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I'm not sure. Technically, "it makes sense" that Luci has overall everything stronger than Al, but I personally don't like that type of reasoning alone and would prefer a proper showing contrasting their differences in LS, be it Luci straight overpowered one tentacle with his magic or something, you know?
Tho I could support a possibly/likely.
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Who said I was here? I'm not here, you're dreaming. This is a dream.
Anyways for the most part disagree with Class M off of what others have said. I think it looks more like Emily just tore Alastor out by literally ripping his arm out considering his sleeve is visibly torn up and he starts spraying blood out. Not fully convinced that they would've directly overpowered his bite to do that.
As for Class G I'd be fine with a possibly or likely rating for similar reasons to Lephyr.
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In that case, would it be an alternative to consider that Alastor and Emilly have less half the lifting strength of Shok.wav? Since considering them Class K doesn't make sense without Alastor's arm not being amputated (any Class K fighter who received that bite with dozens of times more force would be broken).
Edit: It's less than half; for some reason, the translation ignored the "less."
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What are the statements?
Anonymous_Learner
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No. Entirely unquantifiable.
They did not make shok.wav budge, they aren't scaling to its LS.
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Not entirely seeing how these would scale their magic to their physicals it's kind of just the same statements saying angels/Lucifer is on top everyone else is below
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Bruh I thought you were asking about the Lucifer > Alastor statement.
Angels are created and exist purely as their Light, which we see time and time again is sorta the "basis" of their magic meaning their entire body is made out of their powers
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Nah I've been watching hellaverse stuff since the pilot came out I already knew that stuff lol.Bruh I thought you were asking about the Lucifer > Alastor statement
I can see the argument but at the same time it still isn't fully clear and this isn't exactly the best evidence for it to be honest. Still probably best to stick to likely or possibly for the rating
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Yeah I'd be fine with him scaling physically above Shok.wav
Last question before I go through with this, would Lucifer be at the very least above Shok.vaw? So would the God Tiers be Class M likely Class G?
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It's not, the actual best evidence is Lucifer getting his holy energy drained and being physically affected, though I agree with "possibly" for now
ShionAH
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before I actually add this I think I should ask if you are also fine with what @AbaddonTheDisappointment said? About Lucifer’s scaling being At Least Class M above Shok.vaw
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It's probably fine
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Doesn't the verse need 3 votes from the team because it's controversial?
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