This doesn't make sense. Stolas only took this trip to sing a lullaby to his daughter, and that's what's shown. There's no point in having a large time jump between scenes, and it contradicts the purpose of the scene; he can simply sing while flying.
Oh, and just to clarify, when I say that Mhs+ is the minimum speed for Vox lightning, it's because lightnings with more energy can be faster, and that's accepted on the wiki. We have Zeus in GoW, for example, with a relativistic lightning. So, just like with weapons, it's only the minimum.
By same logic there is no logic in that scene at all so axe FTL either way.
Notice how none of this explains my direct argument about camera never showing us St*las flying and entering the portal despite being right behind it.
Yes, really. But flying is the most plausible and accepted assumption for years.
People thought for centuries that Sun was revolving around the Earth. Appealing to popularity is not a great argument.
I agree with this.
Why exactly? Why would writers just show us a big long scene where all he does is just return to that portal when the song needs pacing?
No I don't mind FTL return actually, I just dislike this specific feat usage.
Stolas openes a portal to the space and he open it again when he returnes to the room
Orange, Stolas is literally singing in the scene; when he appears in the room finishing the song, he was clearly already in the sequence. It doesn't make sense for Stolas to have stopped singing, flown to the portal, and then started singing again.
I didn't want FTL to come back now either, but unfortunately it makes sense.
The portal through which he returns is the same one he opened at the beginning of the lullaby, and it is quite far from the star.
It's just a size inconsistency that appears in 2 sequences, why do you keep mentioning it? Unfortunately, this isn't uncommon in fiction.
İm not saying he used portal to trwvel between moon and room im saying he probably activated another portal like he did before.
Okay... but that wasn't shown or indicated, there's only one portal in the entire sequence, and when he reappears it's precisely through this portal.
Just one inconsistency of multiple in the scene. A star is going ******* Supernova nearby Stolas and both he and Octavia are fine. Unless you're buying Low 6-B durability Stolas and Goetia as a whole, there's other issues for using that scene for anything.
This is why timeskips exist, you know? Instead of showing us all of hours of flight on how Captain Marvel rescued Tony Stark, they just said it happened?
Songs work like this all the time in Hazbin: it doesn't make sense for Alastor to have heard Vox's "I'm gonna make you wish that you stayed gone" to make a retort in the end, them physically "fighting" in Stayed Gone while being in two separate places, Lucifer and Alastor just fighting by playing violin and piano looks kind of off - we are in a MUSICAL, this happens ALL THE TIME.
So we are of two radically opposed opinions lol.
İ wish someone asks it to vivzie during their livestream
The Low 6-B calculation doesn't make sense because he wasn't even hit by the explosion, and Stolas was protecting Octavia, himself, and the rock they were sitting on with a purple barrier.
Time skips have to make sense within the context of the scene, and they're usually obvious. There's no indication of a time skip in the scene, and it wouldn't make sense to have one.
It's kind of like both have technological manipulation and are very fast, so the fight between Alastor and Vox in Stayed Gone makes sense. Not to mention that you're comparing two songs with reality manipulation to one without; Stolas is just singing while the end of a star system is happening, which makes sense in the scene and with his powers. They aren't the same songs, so this comparison is meaningless.
Gurren Lagann has Lordgenome be visible compared to Tengen Toppa Lagann....THE GALAXY SIZED MECHA
And it is obvious, we don't see Stolas enter through that portal despite camera being from its POV, so he logically is already in the house.
Uhhh, are we talking about these powers?
This all does not answer how Alastor got to know that Vox started his song with "I'm gonna make you wish that you stayed gone" to retort in the end, and just saying "different songs" doesn't help your case either, this is exact same verse by the same damn Vivziepop, her principles are the same.
You're just assuming it's just levitation/telekinesis; you'd have to prove that the purple aura isn't protecting them. And just because Octavia created a giant shield against a dragon doesn't mean Stolas or even she can't create bodily barriers. Not to mention this is the second episode of Helluva Boss, so the barrier's appearance might be simplified.
ORRRRRRRR we go by what is shown, in that it keeps a rock and two people on said rock in place while everything falls apart around it, and call it Telekinesis.
The camera doesn't show Stolas in the room, even though we see the scene from Stolas's point of view; the camera doesn't just follow him. During the song, there's literally a scene with the POV on the surface of the star watching the moon being destroyed.
Yes, with its ability to create a portal to mortal space and fly, and not tier.
Because it's a duet, and it needs to be that way to match (and Alastor doesn't need to know that Vox started with Stayed Gone to say Stayed Gone), not to mention that this has nothing to do with a time skip in Stolas' lullaby, just because both are vivziepop songs doesn't mean they have to follow the same pattern, that's a false equivalence.
That would be terribly undignifiedHuh what are you talking about? This looks more like..
Yes, that's fair, and telekinesis can be used to protect the body like a barrier, as Mob or Tatsumaki do, what's the problem here?
No, why isn't the star's glow on Stolas represented that way in the other scenes, and did you forget that you agreed with a CRT that says Stolas is on the other side of the moon even though that doesn't make sense?
Okay, but that's not Alastor, right?
Because it is initially straight in the portal, then it zooms out into the house.
We don't, actually, the point of view is from portal. There's a reason St*las appears from third POV, not first in the scene.
Just because he can teleport to space and fly doesn't mean that he has to be at FTL lol.
So you DO concede that musical shenanigans that contradict logic exist.
He deliberately repeats same line and mentions status quo. You are not convincing me this is just a convenient coincidence, no.
It does, it shows how Vivz is willing to throw away logic just for a song to work. This combined with physical evidence of Stolas not flying to the portal just sets the timeskip in stone.
Now prove it works that way for Stolas.
You realize how luminous a star is when you're that close to it, right?(Ignoring that the entire scene is bathed in purple, of course) Also, I do agree he was on the other side of the moon.
Whenever a barrier is being made in this verse, it is explicit. Need proof? Any time a force field is created across the entire series. Octavia's barriers are explicit, Heaven's barrier is explicit, Emily's barrier is explicit, Alastor's barriers are explicit.
I just rewatched the scene; the POV is completely still while the star explodes and Stolas appears.
So there is nothing to indicate that Stolas is in the room before appearing on screen.
The point is that Stolas singing a lullaby to Octavia during a supernova and flying towards the portal makes sense given his powers and the context.
Yes, when necessary, and it wasn't in Stolas' music, so it doesn't matter.
I don't need to convince you of that; from the moment it's a possibility, your argument loses strength.
It's basically a matter of which assumption makes the most sense given the scene: another portal in the room or teleportation would be visible or indicated by the sounds; flying wouldn't be necessary.
"Could, possibly, but never is"
Prove why it wouldn't work; he's already levitating himself, Octavia, and the rock without them being affected by their surroundings, so there's no reason why it wouldn't work. Therefore, it's a plausible assumption.
Yes, all those barriers were created with different visuals from each other, and later in the series. And none of them showed telekinesis (maybe Octavia, but I don't remember).
Ok
Because that requires MORE assumptions than just saying "It's basic telekinesis". Occam's Razor does the goddamn griddy on this shit. You are ADDING assumptions, so my point, that it's telekinesis, is more correct.
They're all different colors. That's about the main difference between them beyond who's doing it.
Remind me, dear blue name, whose CRT made the verse FTL in general in the first place? Because I'm pretty sure it was mine.Ok
But what exactly does that change? We disagree on this point anyway, and this CRT is kind of dependent on that lullaby to function.
Yes.
Yes, but your argument that it's telekinesis doesn't prove that it can't be a barrier, and that it doesn't make sense in the context of the scene.
It also has texture and integration with other powers, such as Alastor being able to manifest shadow tentacles through his barrier, while Octavia's can expand to push and destroy the Dragon, being modifiable (curiously similar to telekinesis), but anyway, that doesn't matter.
Great, but this is the same CRT that was debunked, and that's why we're here talking about a bird singing a lullaby in space during a star system collapse.
So you didn't actually read the OP? Of either CRT?
