Hazbin Hotel FTL Addition

TheOrangeGuy09 · May 21, 2026

OiEuSouDuvi said:
I just rewatched the scene; the POV is completely still while the star explodes and St*las appears.

It is still from the portal's POV, so this changes nothing.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
So there is nothing to indicate that St*las is in the room before appearing on screen.

Why don't we see him, yk, FLY through space to the portal, if that is timeframe, since POV is from portal? And see him enter and go beyond POV? No, instead it just zooms out and reveals St*las already inside.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
The point is that St*las singing a lullaby to Octavia during a supernova and flying towards the portal makes sense given his powers and the context.

And I am not denying that, I am saying he did so off screen with unknown timeframe.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Yes, when necessary, and it wasn't in St*las' music, so it doesn't matter.

We are in a same series. If the writers apply "lol it's music" logic to one song, they can easily do to another one. Music song is not an ability that varies between characters lol. This just shows it's an argument.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
I don't need to convince you of that; from the moment it's a possibility, your argument loses strength.

You know what's also a possibility? That Lucifer teleported in and helped his creation/bird to teleport into the house. There is also a possibility that Alastor is secretly a Tier 0 entity in the verse and what we are seeing with him is pure avatar and facade for entertainment. Another possibility is that both HH and HB are just a dream from some Evan kid that just dreamt everything because he was into demons stuff he watched from TV. Everything is possible here. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's matter. Just like Reaper said right above me:

DaReaperMan said:
"Could, possibly, but never is"

Potential argument, basically.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
It's basically a matter of which assumption makes the most sense given the scene: another portal in the room or teleportation would be visible or indicated by the sounds; flying wouldn't be necessary.

What is this strawman bro, I'm not arguing for either.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
And you still haven't explained how this time skip fits with Stolas singing a lullaby to her daughter to get her to sleep quickly; it doesn't make sense for St*las to spend several minutes or hours just doing that.

I already explained it and for the billionth time do: MUSICAL LOGIC!!! Just like Vivziepop gave a total of less than ZERO crap about Alastor being physically unable to hear Vox's first line, she decided to make him sing exactly them for a retort! But sure, if you think it isn't exactly the same case, here you go:

This thing has tons of timeskips from how Husk wins stuff, loses stuff, gets drunk, etc. etc., all in a one song!!! OMG timeskips! That doesn't make sense! This probably means that Husk literally did all of this in a matter of two minutes, quick calculate that thing!!!!

DaReaperMan · May 21, 2026

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I already explained it and for the billionth time do: MUSICAL LOGIC!!! Just like Vivziepop gave a total of less than ZERO crap about Alastor being physically unable to hear Vox's first line, she decided to make him sing exactly them for a retort! But sure, if you think it isn't exactly the same case, here you go:

This thing has tons of timeskips from how Husk wins stuff, loses stuff, gets drunk, etc. etc., all in a one song!!! OMG timeskips! That doesn't make sense! This probably means that Husk literally did all of this in a matter of two minutes, quick calculate that thing!!!!

Huh, I forgot to apply Poison resistance to Husk...

TheOrangeGuy09 · May 21, 2026

DaReaperMan said:
Huh, I forgot to apply Poison resistance to Husk...

Put "Professional alcoholic." while linking to Love in a Bottle as a justification because that'd be funny ngl ngl.

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

DaReaperMan said:
So you didn't actually read the OP? Of either CRT?

Hint hint: FTL is partially coming from the same feat.

Yes, exactly, partially.

DaReaperMan · May 21, 2026

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Yes, exactly, partially.

All right, let's go by your logic... There's only one "solid" ""feat"" here to scale, because the MoL one was debunked and the baxter one is iffy.

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

ShionAH said:
It didn't "just fire" we ALREADY saw it fire two entire scenes ago!!
Again. Not normal guns. Its literally rated to be 8-C and arguably they might be Angelic Weapons because they could threaten Niffty and worry Alastor. Meanwhile Striker's are most definitely Angelic Weapons. AND we know IMP have supernatural guns.

Shouldn't all demons be given heat resistance by infernal weapon holsters?

Mythic381 · May 21, 2026

ShionAH said:
Let me put the feats down

Emily directly outspeed Might of Lilith (1.7c)

Adressing the feat

At 3.53 Vox locks in and fires at Alastor. I don't understand how you thought he fired 4 seconds later when they literally SHOW us when he actually fired. Furthermore Charlie reacts to this attack so its definitely accurate in the timing of events

At 3.55 which is 2 seconds later when Charlie reacts, Emily starts flying from their location to Al.

At 3.56 she is already there and grabs him, pulls him out of the jaw all while we SEE the beam STILL traveling in the background. It didn't "just fire" we ALREADY saw it fire two entire scenes ago!!

And that is NOT all, Emily then TURNS AROUND before the beam can actually tag her!! Literally if she just flew down or tried to dodge instead of getting shocked and off guarded I bet she would have dodged it just fine especially since it barely only hit one of her wings. No idea how you can see her face and think "yeah she definitely knew what to do here but couldn't because of the speed difference" lmao?? Girl has never been in a argument let alone battle for like her entire life, was she supposed to do a tactical roll and matrix her way out??

She can not do ANY of this if she was Subconic. That would make her 2.6 million times slower than MoL.

This was removed because "its an outlier". Thats the entire argument used to remove it.

Alastor reacts to Might of Lilith (1.7c)

Adressing the feat

He directly looks back and reacts to the beam hitting Emily

As I mentioned previously, disproving her reacting to it never really made sense to me, so yeah I agree with this.

ShionAH said:
Stolas, a high-ranking Demon in hell, is scared and got surprised by revolver bullets, needing to transform into his demon form's flight speed to consistently dodge them

Excuse me? Those are ANGELIC WEAPONS. YOUR CRT literally scales them to 5-B. Why would we use REGULAR GUN speeds for supernatural planet buster killer guns. Please enlighten me.

An overlord gets cornered by gunfire

Again. These are the guns of Overlords, from Hell. Made from the materials of Hell. Who knows maybe enhanced or empowered by their magic AND they are literally play fighting here...

Cherri gets hit and gets cornered by Valentino's gunfire

Angel Dust, I.M.P. Members, Striker, and Val consistently use gunfire as weapons

Again. Not normal guns. Its literally rated to be 8-C and arguably they might be Angelic Weapons because they could threaten Niffty and worry Alastor. Meanwhile Striker's are most definitely Angelic Weapons. AND we know IMP have supernatural guns.

Literally the ONLY characters who actually suffer from the antifeats are IMPs like Blitz who are still very casual bullet timers. IMPs. You know the lowest of the low for Hellaverse. We are downgrading Lucifer because of Moxxie. Let that sink in...

I'm in general unable to really understand how the standards regarding gun speed work here, though I'm leaning towards agreement as the gun feats in Hellaverse are generally absurd for me to treat them like normal guns.

You can put me on agreement for though, though I'm a little iffy considering I see that the standards seem a bit unclear on this topic.

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

DaReaperMan said:
All right, let's go by your logic... There's only one "solid" ""feat"" here to scale, because the MoL one was debunked and the baxter one is iffy.

Okay, I understand what you meant now, i think.

Edit: You're arguing that Emilly's achievement is high enough and that the debunking was bad, right?

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I already explained it and for the billionth time do: MUSICAL LOGIC!!! Just like Vivziepop gave a total of less than ZERO crap about Alastor being physically unable to hear Vox's first line, she decided to make him sing exactly them for a retort! But sure, if you think it isn't exactly the same case, here you go:

This thing has tons of timeskips from how Husk wins stuff, loses stuff, gets drunk, etc. etc., all in a one song!!! OMG timeskips! That doesn't make sense! This probably means that Husk literally did all of this in a matter of two minutes, quick calculate that thing!!!!

And I already explained it and for the billionth time do: These comparisons don't make sense.

"Love in a Bottle" is a song about Husk's alcohol addiction and gambling; the time skips are explicitly necessary. Very different from a lullaby for a child.

You're trying to ignore the stated time in favor of an unknown one, which you don't specify because it doesn't make sense. If it's 1 minute less, it's still a relativistic feat and good support, and if it's much more than 1 minute it doesn't make sense because Stolas would lose more time flying than singing the lullaby itself.

Musical Logic has to have logic.

You are not trying to determine a suitable time for the feat, but rather to discard it.

TheOrangeGuy09 · May 21, 2026

OiEuSouDuvi said:
"Love in a Bottle" is a song about Husk's alcohol addiction and gambling; the time skips are explicitly necessary. Very different from a lullaby for a child.

It still shows time skips exist. It's a lullaby for a child inverse, it's a song for us viewers. Watching St*las fly back would be most boring thing ever.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
You're trying to ignore the stated time

Stated? Where?

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Musical Logic has to have logic.

Yeah, and logic is that they are skipping lame stuff for viewers to not get bored.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
You are not trying to determine a suitable time for the feat, but rather to discard it.

There are plently of unquantifiable feats in fiction lol.

Y'all if you wanna get some good speed feat out of the bird just calc this scene where he flies from portal to that Moon, at least it's on-screen (the fact that size is stupidly inconsistent will be a pain though, but can probably still bargain with a mod on a low end):

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Stated? Where?

Screen time, translation error, sorry.

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
It still shows time skips exist. It's a lullaby for a child inverse, it's a song for us viewers. Watching St*las fly back would be most boring thing ever.

Yes, it's a song for us, because it's a show, but within the story it's a lullaby for Octavia to fall asleep to, showing Octavia's attachment to Stolas.

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Yeah, and logic is that they are skipping lame stuff for viewers to not get bored.

They don't need to do that if Stolas has flown in 8 seconds...

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
There are plently of unquantifiable feats in fiction lol.

Y'all if you wanna get some good speed feat out of the bird just calc this scene where he flies from portal to that Moon, at least it's on-screen (the fact that size is stupidly inconsistent will be a pain though, but can probably still bargain with a mod on a low end):

Yes, and that's not even one of them; we have screen time, and even without it we can make various estimates, and the value will still be high.

Stolas wasn't shown landing on the moon, so following that "musical logic", it may have taken him an immeasurable amount of time to get there.

Edit: But even so, considering that this moon is actually supposed to be a size of moon, it's a good feat to calculate, good idea, orange!

TheOrangeGuy09 · May 21, 2026

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Screen time, translation error, sorry.

Screen time is unapplicable, we do not see St*las fly towards us, all he does is just pop up fro, the bottom.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Yes, it's a song for us, because it's a show, but within the story it's a lullaby for Octavia to fall asleep to, showing Octavia's attachment to Stolas.

Within show it's two losers trying to support each other, but to us it shows massive passive reality warping. Seems like writers took liberties huh.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
They don't need to do that if Stolas has flown in 8 seconds...

And this is your issue, you are assuming it was 8 seconds. My position is that it wasn't, it was minutes, maybe more, but it was time skipped.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Yes, and that's not even one of them; we have screen time, and even without it we can make various estimates, and the value will still be high.

We do NOT have screentime. Show me once St*las ACTUALLY FLYING all that distance. Cuz logically if he did, we would see it through camera's POV. But we do NOT.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Stolas wasn't shown landing on the moon, so following that "musical logic", it may have taken him an immeasurable amount of time to get there.

Good point, and inconsistent size kills it anyways ye.

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Screen time is unapplicable, we do not see St*las fly towards us, all he does is just pop up fro, the bottom.

Before the 8-second mark, Stolas was on the moon; after the 8-second mark, Stolas was in his room. We both agreed that he flew; there's no indication of a time skip other than "it's in completely different songs, so it must be in this one."

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Within show it's two losers trying to support each other, but to us it shows massive passive reality warping. Seems like writers took liberties huh.

This song doesn't have reality warping; the setting is completely real. Stolas possesses the powers used in the song.

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
And this is your issue, you are assuming it was 8 seconds. My position is that it wasn't, it was minutes, maybe more, but it was time skipped.

I keep imagining what it would be like for Octavia to hear the music and then, out of nowhere, her father would stop for a few minutes and then start singing again when on screen, doing this several times—clearly very effective.

And minutes is still relativistic, at least.

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
We do NOT have screentime. Show me once St*las ACTUALLY FLYING all that distance. Cuz logically if he did, we would see it through camera's POV. But we do NOT.

Following that logic, since we didn't see Stolas fly, he simply spawned in the room, summoned by a cockroach. We didn't see what happened, but there are cockroaches in Nifty's music, so it makes sense ( sarcasm again ).

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Good point, and inconsistent size kills it anyways ye.

You know that if we consider the inconsistency in size of the Hellaverse literally, Pentagram City, with over 100 billion sinners, will be the size of a neighborhood, right?

TheOrangeGuy09 · May 21, 2026

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Before the 8-second mark, Stolas was on the moon; after the 8-second mark, Stolas was in his room. We both agreed that he flew; there's no indication of a time skip other than "it's in completely different songs, so it must be in this one."

I agree that he flew, but it happened off screen for a very simple video: we do not see him fly to portal at all LOL.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
This song doesn't have reality warping; the setting is completely real.

Strawman, the point is that music can do even wilder stuff, so timeskip is not as crazy as you're portraying it to be.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
I keep imagining what it would be like for Octavia to hear the music and then, out of nowhere, her father would stop for a few minutes and then start singing again when on screen, doing this several times—clearly very effective.

I keep imagining what it would be like for Vox to hear Alastor repeat his words despite not being there, probably read his mind or has Retrocognition. Or for Husk to see how their imagination becomes real surrounding them as they sing what losers they are. Or for casino being shocked at how Husk jumps through time and space to win and lose gambling as well as drink while singing.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
And minutes is still relativistic, at least.

Then go negotiate this with CGM on what reasonable timeframe will be in such case, I personally think it is just unusable but CGMs would prob agree on something.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Following that logic, since we didn't see Stolas fly, he simply spawned in the room, summoned by a cockroach. We didn't see what happened, but there are cockroaches in Nifty's music, so it makes sense ( sarcasm again ).

Nice false equivalence, completely different contexts. Mine is a logical deduction, yours is a fanfiction.

Imagine this: I'm expecting someone to run from the faraway tree to the door and am filming it through the camera at the door. After 10 seconds, I do not see anyone running at all, but then that guy just pops up from the bottom. The default assumption would be that he was already in the room. (Because, guess what, camera never filmed him running)

OiEuSouDuvi said:
You know that if we consider the inconsistency in size of the Hellaverse literally, Pentagram City, with over 100 billion sinners, will be the size of a neighborhood, right?

Yup, that's exactly why we don't use it!

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I agree that he flew, but it happened off screen for a very simple video: we do not see him fly to portal at all LOL.

Yes, but we know that at one moment he was in one place, and at another moment he is in another.

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Strawman, the point is that music can do even wilder stuff, so timeskip is not as crazy as you're portraying it to be.

The point is that, considering the context of this song, it is.

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I keep imagining what it would be like for Vox to hear Alastor repeat his words despite not being there, probably read his mind or has Retrocognition. Or for Husk to see how their imagination becomes real surrounding them as they sing what losers they are. Or for casino being shocked at how Husk jumps through time and space to win and lose gambling as well as drink while singing.

All of these instances make sense in their contexts and add to the music, unlike a time skip in Stolas's lullaby for his daughter, which only creates meaningless pauses in a song without pauses.

The final part of Stayed Gone, with Alastor alluding to the first solo sung by Vox, could happen even without Alastor hearing it; whether you like it or not, it's possible and adds to the song.

Husk, in a song about him, having time skips to show the luck and misfortune in gambling and the drunkenness affecting Husk makes sense within the context of that song, just as his introspective choruses alluding to him drowning in alcohol and gambling make sense within the context.

Unlike a father taking long pauses in music that is explicitly meant for his daughter to fall asleep. You are actively creating a hole in the music unnecessarily just to avoid using the p
Screen time.

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Then go negotiate this with CGM on what reasonable timeframe will be in such case, I personally think it is just unusable but CGMs would prob agree on something.

I have to negotiate with a CGM an imaginary deadline that creates loopholes just to avoid using the time shown on the screen that as accepted? That clearly makes a lot of sense ( sarcasm 3 ).

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Nice false equivalence, completely different contexts. Mine is a logical deduction, yours is a fanfiction.

Yes!! Exactly, your argument is just an unnecessary false equivalence. Your musical logic ignores context in favor of what you want simply because different songs have the same "creator."

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Imagine this: I'm expecting someone to run from the faraway tree to the door and am filming it through the camera at the door. After 10 seconds, I do not see anyone running at all, but then that guy just pops up from the bottom. The default assumption would be that he was already in the room. (Because, guess what, camera never filmed him running)

The difference is that in this case the distance is enormously greater and Stolas is fast enough not to be visible on screen, and the portal is large enough for him to enter the room without appearing on screen (which is exactly what happens). Again, another bad example.

TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Yup, that's exactly why we don't use it!

You have 2 calculations that depend on the size of the pentagram city, and other verses like the Big Three make calculations even with the inconsistencies in size.

Mythic381 · May 21, 2026

I also want to mention that apparently according to @WeeklyBattles they've calculated another FTL Stolas calculation.

Celest_Void · May 21, 2026

We can see an asteroid that was originally small appearing relatively large on the star’s surface, and the curvature of the star is also visible. So why are they using the Sun’s size for that star?

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

Celest_Void said:
We can see an asteroid that was originally small appearing relatively large on the star’s surface, and the curvature of the star is also visible. So why are they using the Sun’s size for that star?

Because it's a minimum size for a star, and if we were to consider the actual size of a pre-supernova star, it would be much larger.

Furthermore, based on the curvature scale, the asteroid is much farther from the curve than it appears, likely entering the star (and we don't know the size of this asteroid).

Mythic381 · May 21, 2026

Celest_Void said:
We can see an asteroid that was originally small appearing relatively large on the star’s surface

We literally see it here being small compared to the star.

Celest_Void said:
and the curvature of the star is also visible. So why are they using the Sun’s size for that star?

It's a default assumption.

Celest_Void · May 21, 2026

Mythic381 said:
We literally see it here being small compared to the star.

That shows the exact opposite; it is extremely large compared to the star.

Mythic381 said:
It's a default assumption.

That would only be valid if the star did not appear smaller than the Sun. It clearly is not the size of the Sun.

Mythic381 · May 21, 2026

Celest_Void said:
That shows the exact opposite; it is extremely large compared to the star.

You mean the fact we see an entire side of said body getting destroyed and a small shot of said star appearing? Mind you, we literally see every body being consumed by the star and all of them are smaller.

Celest_Void said:
That would only be valid if the star did not appear smaller than the Sun. It clearly is not the size of the Sun.

Concluding that based off of inconsistent visuals...

Celest_Void · May 21, 2026

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Because it's a minimum size for a star, and if we were to consider the actual size of a pre-supernova star, it would be much larger.

121,017 kilometers is the minimum size for a star.

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Furthermore, based on the curvature scale, the asteroid is much farther from the curve than it appears, likely entering the star (and we don't know the size of this asteroid).

The asteroid was already on the star’s surface, not entering it.

Mythic381 said:
You mean the fact we see an entire side of said body getting destroyed and a small shot of said star appearing? Mind you, we literally see every body being consumed by the star and all of them are smaller.

The moon Stolas was on was less than 1 km in diameter, and it is comparable to the star...

We have four celestial bodies around the moon, and we can see all four being consumed together, all with sizes relative to it. That star would probably only be a few kilometers in size, if even that.

OiEuSouDuvi · May 21, 2026

Celest_Void said:
121,017 kilometers is the minimum size for a star.

I'm talking about the standard size of the vs battle, which is much smaller than the Stars size at this stage.

Celest_Void said:
The asteroid was already on the star’s surface, not entering it.

He is entering the surface of the star.

Celest_Void said:
The moon Stolas was on was less than 1 km in diameter, and it is comparable to the star...

We have four celestial bodies around the moon, and we can see all four being consumed together, all with sizes relative to it. That star would probably only be a few kilometers in size, if even that.

Stolas' moon is the size of a regular moon, being a spherical body. There are scenes where Stolas appears large in relation to the moon, but there are also scenes where Stolas is not visible on the surface and, from his perspective, the moon has no visible curvature. The intention of the scene is for it to be a moon, and the only reason its size varies so much is due to an animation error and to show where Stolas is on the moon (which didn't help much, since people ignored it and assumed Stolas was behind it).

And where did you get 1km from? What specific number? The moon is never that big in any scene; it either appears bigger or smaller than that.

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Celest_Void · May 25, 2026

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Stolas' moon is the size of a regular moon, being a spherical body. There are scenes where Stolas appears large in relation to the moon, but there are also scenes where Stolas is not visible on the surface and, from his perspective, the moon has no visible curvature. The intention of the scene is for it to be a moon, and the only reason its size varies so much is due to an animation error and to show where Stolas is on the moon (which didn't help much, since people ignored it and assumed Stolas was behind it).

Dude, at just a few meters of height we are already practically in ‘space’, and we can still clearly see how blatant the moon’s curvature is while Stolas remains perfectly visible in the image, which shows that the moon is extremely small. There are far more images depicting the moon as small than the opposite.

OiEuSouDuvi · May 25, 2026

Celest_Void said:
Dude, at just a few meters of height we are already practically in ‘space’, and we can still clearly see how blatant the moon’s curvature is while Stolas remains perfectly visible in the image, which shows that the moon is extremely small. There are far more images depicting the moon as small than the opposite.

Congratulations, this is one of the scenes where Stolas appears large in relation to the Moon. Not to mention that on a moon like Earth's, we are in space even on its surface since it doesn't have a large atmosphere.

It's curious that in all the images where Stolas appears large on the moon, the size of the moon varies quite a bit, right? That's because the size is inconsistent. Not to mention that there are more shots that don't show Stolas as large in relation to it. The point is that, as a spherical body in the mortal world similar to Earth's moon in a scene that has non-spherical asteroids, it makes more sense to consider the intention (it's a moon) than the inconsistent size on screen in some parts.

Celest_Void · May 25, 2026

OiEuSouDuvi said:
Not to mention that on a moon like Earth's, we are in space even on its surface since it doesn't have a large atmosphere.

The moon does have an large atmosphere

OiEuSouDuvi said:
It's curious that in all the images where Stolas appears large on the moon, the size of the moon varies quite a bit, right? That's because the size is inconsistent. Not to mention that there are more shots that don't show Stolas as large in relation to it. The point is that, as a spherical body in the mortal world similar to Earth's moon in a scene that has non-spherical asteroids, it makes more sense to consider the intention (it's a moon) than the inconsistent size on screen in some parts.

O tamanho sempre varia para menor, nunca para maior. Podemos calcular o tamanho da lua com base no que nos foi apresentado ou simplesmente dizer que o tamanho dela é desconhecido, mas não vejo motivo para assumir que ela tenha o tamanho de uma lua normal quando claramente não tem.

Mythic381 · May 25, 2026

Celest_Void said:
O tamanho sempre varia para menor, nunca para maior. Podemos calcular o tamanho da lua com base no que nos foi apresentado ou simplesmente dizer que o tamanho dela é desconhecido, mas não vejo motivo para assumir que ela tenha o tamanho de uma lua normal quando claramente não tem.

If the moon keeps getting smaller, and it's size keeps varying, then there's quite literally no way to properly calculate the size of it, if we don't actually have any reference besides clearly inconsistent visuals.

Your best argument for the moon not being the size of the moon is literally just because "visuals make it clear" but the visuals also keep making the moon's size inconsistent, so what's with the double standard?

If it had gotten larger, would you have said that the size of it getting larger would be accurate to pixelscale with it? despite there being shots when it's smaller?

OiEuSouDuvi · May 26, 2026

Celest_Void said:
The moon does have an large atmosphere

"Does the Moon have an atmosphere? Yes, but just barely, and it’s very different from the atmosphere we know on Earth."

"The lunar atmosphere is mostly an exosphere, which itself is mostly empty space. Molecules around the Moon are so few and far between that they travel long distances without running into anything, even each other."

"The Moon’s atmosphere contains about one million billion (10^15) times fewer molecules per cubic centimeter than Earth’s does. This is primarily because Earth is more massive (so it has a stronger gravitational pull holding its atmosphere in place) and Earth has more active sources of atmospheric gases (like erupting volcanoes)."

Did you even read the beginning of the article?

Celest_Void said:
The size always varies, getting smaller, never larger. We can calculate the size of the moon based on what has been presented to us, or simply say that its size is unknown, but I see no reason to assume that it is the size of a normal moon when it clearly is not.

These are all the scenes in which the moon appears and we can get an idea of its size. Only in panels 1 and 4 does the moon appear smaller, and it's necessary to consider that while in panel 1 the moon is represented as spherical (as in panel 7), in panel 4 it is not represented that way. Apart from these two panels, the size of the moon in others is clearly much larger, to the point where the curvature is not perceptible from Stolas's point of view, and the moon appears spherical from a distance.

In Hazbin Hotel, the pentagram city is the main city of the Pride Ring, having a concentration of Sinners, enough to, according to Vox, outnumber the 100 billion souls in Paradise. This same city is represented on screen like this:

The Pentagram City, like the moon, is represented by a simplified image highlighting the location of the main features; in the case of Pentagram City, the boundary between the districts and the main buildings that represent them; in the case of the moon, Stolas on top of it.

This also happens with Las Noches and Seireitei in the Bleach universe, as well as the characters on top of Bijuu in Naruto. They are shown as large dots when they shouldn't even be seen, but the authors want to emphasize their location, even if it doesn't make sense. We don't see images of Padrarias in Seireitei from afar, but we know it's there.

Thunderman101 · May 26, 2026

anyone here heard of doodle world

Mythic381 · May 26, 2026

Thunderman101 said:
anyone here heard of doodle world

What?

Thunderman101 · May 26, 2026

Mythic381 said:
What?

wrong thread, apolgies

SomebodyData · May 31, 2026

Can someone summarize the arguments?

ShionAH · May 31, 2026

SomebodyData said:
Can someone summarize the arguments?

There isn’t any counter arguments, all the feats were removed because they are “outlier” one by one, instead of looking at them all at once. When you look at them at as a group, its pretty clear the multiple direct FTL feats on screen wouldn’t be outliers for a verse with no other speed statement/any cap.

DaReaperMan · May 31, 2026

SomebodyData said:
Can someone summarize the arguments?

Basically, the Stolas feat is considered bad by the opposition due to the inconsistent visuals of the scene and the lack of on-screen movement. The ones in favor of the OP consider these arguments invalid.

The iffy feat is iffy, let's not talk about it, and that just leaves the Emily feat.

SomebodyData · May 31, 2026

ShionAH said:
There isn’t any counter arguments, all the feats were removed because they are “outlier” one by one, instead of looking at them all at once. When you look at them at as a group, its pretty clear the multiple direct FTL feats on screen wouldn’t be outliers for a verse with no other speed statement/any cap.

DaReaperMan said:
Basically, the Stolas feat is considered bad by the opposition due to the inconsistent visuals of the scene and the lack of on-screen movement. The ones in favor of the OP consider these arguments invalid.

The iffy feat is iffy, let's not talk about it, and that just leaves the Emily feat.

Seems like 2 very different interpretations of the conversation so far. I'll give the whole thread a read after responding to a few requests on my wall.

ShionAH · May 31, 2026

Both Stolas and Emily feats were removed with the sole argument being “outlier” in previous CRTs. Alastor feats were never talked about anyway.

DaReaperMan · May 31, 2026

ShionAH said:
Both Stolas and Emily feats were removed with the sole argument being “outlier” in previous CRTs. Alastor feats were never talked about anyway.

Shion, we are on page 3. Because there was actual contentions here.

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