The lack of use of a technique that can be used in battle, and is in Cell's arsenal, is not proof that the technique is useless, and it's headcanon to believe it is.
Sorry for posting the link like this, but this is the guide that mentions "100G." There's no translation in it.
japanese.stackexchange.com
Even without calculations, one can easily deduce that feats like moving a boulder that is literally bigger than a house are incredibly impressive and contradict the idea of OG DB characters not even being Superhuman in LS
I'm not sure about this. Eden and Charmander's posts provided many feats, some of which just as narratively significant as the anti-feats, that support higher levels of LS than what the OP indicates
This is genuinely not the point, I've literally pointed out anti-feats based on shells being 40kg, gravity, etc. My literal point is that these anti-feats values are NOT RESPECTED IN THE SLIGHTEST and are contradicted in the same chapter they are introduced, or very shortly after.
Either this or a combined rating of stated weight progression as in the OP stuff with a possibly calculated weight feats
Tactical genius that can feel power levels didn't know how strong Gohan was to either use TK or not.
Shin is not a tactical genius. And there hasn't been a singular opportunity for this to happen.
99% of fights Cell is in, he's either having fun, or has the power advantage.
it makes it seem like goku being pushed through 1 piece of rock over and over again is the same as him being pushed through 50x times
That's not your call.
Ultimately there is a difference between on screen calculations and author statements. At a certain point we just have to choose which to go with based on our standards. Dragon Ball having a bunch of anti-feats is bad, but it also has a lot of higher end showings even back in the first chapter.
It's headcanon that Cell, someone who threw everything at SS2 Gohan potentially could have stopped him with TK and just didn't use it? Why? Why is it unreasonable to assume that Gohan just completely outmatched Cell in every respect? To the point where all his abilities are useless? What basis do you have that ever allows for Cell's TK to be a threat to Gohan? Bro was literally using Frieza's moves to fight Gohan earlier as well. Why would his TK work on Gohan?
How do we pick and choose which fanmade calculations are best even if we went with that approach? Would we scale the characters to Class M off of Tao Pai Pai 's 533525.275 tons feat, even though we also have a calculation of the characters struggling to lift the Z sword which is calculated to weigh 2600 tons?
I mean, it's what we do now. We pick the end with the most supporting calculations behind it. If Class M Tau doesn't get a matching feat until the Frieza arc we don't use it, but the Class K feats have Class 10-100 supporting calculations within the same era then it is usable.
Calcs act as a floor, no? Nothing says the Z-Sword only weighs 2600 tons, that's just the minimum it can weigh.
Well, calculations can also act as a ceiling, not just a floor. If someone struggled to lift a cube of steel for example, that would be a limiter on their strength because we can calculate exactly how much it weighs based on its size and density.
It depends on the feat, really. If the feat shows characters barely lifting something, then the calc is a limit. If the feat is casually lifting a lot of tons, the calc is casual.
Neither is yours. Gohan profile doesn't scale his LS to Cell TK.
That's not your call.
Cause it's currently lower than his physical LS?
Huh?!? Both Gohan and Cell profiles put their physical LS at unquantifiablly higher than Frieza arc Goku(3 million tonnes), and Cell profile notes his TK(8.35 million tonnes) as being superior to his physical LS
Ah, they gave Cell's profile tabbers :Þ
I think we can all agree that the more assumptions we have to make for a rating, the less reliable the profiles are. Would it be worthwhile if we went though the list of feats and antifeats and compared how many assumptions each one has?
Do we factor in contradictions as well? Because Chapter 1 Goku lifting a Renault 5 Turbo and the 40 kg shell hindering a supposedly stronger pre-21st WT Goku are both extremely straightforward and yet contradict each other, for example.
Gohan: >3,002,361.41 Tons in base
Not even counting Super Saiyan forms yet LMAO.
The 2600 ton sword still completely murks the 40 ton limitation, and proves that even in the Buu saga, it's not respected. Which is the entire point of OP, that the statements and limitations are the most accurate version of those characters, that's not the case, and as long as OP argues for that, I can't possibly change my opinion.
In this specific example nothing. Since that 3 million tons feat have ton of problem, and is likely going to be downgraded to Class K
Someone who can deadlift 200 kg will still be hindered if asked to do normal training while constantly weighed down by 5-10 kg weights. I don't see how those two contradict each other. @M3X_2.0 even noted this in the OP:
Not that it matters, other Class M and higher feats would still be replaced. (449,986.31 Metric Tons from Tao Pai Pai, Gohan is so much stronger than Tao Pai Pai at SSJ2 that it's LUDICROUS to consider 8 million tons too much for him, it lines up regardless). The point is, the profiles are not up to date in terms of LS, that example doesn't work for "intelligence" since that hasn't been put into question and a random complaint on a LS CRT on what we currently accept is not a proper comeback. Cell is a genius, period.
Someone who can deadlift 1000kg wouldn't. There is a threshold where those weighs would be utterly irrelevant.
Agreed
What about 4kg? Cause Goku had this face from just putting the 20kg shell on.
True but the problem here is the difference gets absurd.
These wouldn't be assumptions. It would just be standard feat cataloging.
What M3X talked about has no assumptions, as they're all statements. The calcs are our standard calculations and are accepted. The issue is portrayal vs showings and the showings are all almost universally higher.
What i mean is that even these "standard feats", the calculations, still require assumptions for them to work. Now, it isn't bad to make assumptions as we have to do it for all calculations, but the less assumptions we have to make, is generally the better.
I didn't imply that they shouldn't have been accepted; just that some of these "showings" that have been mentioned often depend on a list of assumptions, and those assumptions aren't set in stone. Some throwing feats for example may be rated extremely highly because we assume they take place in a very fast timeframe.
