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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Saw some dude who apparently made a curse that if Denji won the Death Battle that the final CSM volume wouldn't add anything and uh, looks like it worked
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jjk fans dogging on the csm ending again and acting like their og ending wasn't the most blah nothingburger imaginable and modulo hard capped their verse 🫵:LOL:
 
GunshyFever said:
When I say I dislike JJK fans, I only mean the ones on twitter. I love you my other JJK bros ❤️‍🩹

I'm not on reddit but I'll give y'all the benefit of the doubt as well.
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Tier list of the worst ones:

1: tik tok kaisen (they even got their unique nick name from their sheer inability to read)
2: reddit (reddit as a whole is more toxic and stupid)
3: Twitter (not too far from the others)
4: vsbw (more moderation at least, much smaller space)
 
Re:zero tiktok fans solo both.
One half is scaling the series to 1-A, the other is larping Aura monster vs Natsuki Daniel having rap beef against eachother.
A funny quote i've seen is "Re:zero fans are so cooked man. JJK fans are hyped to see Gojo vs Sukuna, CSM fans are hyped to see Denji vs Makima, Meanwhile Re:zero fans are hyped to see Subaru climbing a staircase"
 
GunshyFever said:
When I say I dislike JJK fans, I only mean the ones on twitter. I love you my other JJK bros ❤️‍🩹

Edit: Throw in tiktok because **** them.

I'm not on reddit but I'll give y'all the benefit of the doubt as well.
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let it be known that when i dog on JJK fans it is very much the vocal lobotomy kaisen crowd and not the people actually engaging with the themes and such
GunshyFever said:
I feel a CSM part 2 reception Renaissance incoming. Like a dove bringing bread to the needy.
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:giggle: the CSM ending is by no means perfect but man if people exploded at it due to wanting the hype moments and aura followed by a group shot
 
IbukiDoujisGiantTail said:
jjk fans dogging on the csm ending again and acting like their og ending wasn't the most blah nothingburger imaginable and modulo hard capped their verse 🫵:LOL:
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I enjoyed both JJK endings better than part 2’s ending honestly. Both series kind of had the same issue of poor pacing for their ending but I think the main reason I find JJK’s better is cause I expected something like that where with CSM I felt sort of blindsided cause it wasn’t what I expected. Reading it back after the fact I found it a bit better but I think the issues of pacing hit worse with it given it was only one chapter and characters I enjoyed (cough cough Asa cough cough) got sidelined to a degree. I wouldn’t say any of them were bad looking back but none of them were particularly great either.

Pacing gutted all three of them somehow.
 
GunshyFever said:
They don't
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Oh... That's just their abilities huh.

Been busy as hell recently, found a manga I piled up for about 1 year and rereading it again, realized that the manga is constantly peak for 10 whole years of its run and is still getting better in every aspects. If not for that, the 12 extra csm panels would've genuinely blasted me to hell.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
I enjoyed both JJK endings better than part 2’s ending honestly. Both series kind of had the same issue of poor pacing for their ending but I think the main reason I find JJK’s better is cause I expected something like that where with CSM I felt sort of blindsided cause it wasn’t what I expected. Reading it back after the fact I found it a bit better but I think the issues of pacing hit worse with it given it was only one chapter and characters I enjoyed (cough cough Asa cough cough) got sidelined to a degree. I wouldn’t say any of them were bad looking back but none of them were particularly great either.

Pacing gutted all three of them somehow.
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I have some more fundamental issues with JJKs writing as a whole but what really struck me about the ending was that I remember the sheer avalanche of backlash that happened when it originally ended. I thought the ending was overall middling (you're absolutely right about the pacing issues for both series') but people really did not like the ending either and the reaction to the CSM ending being much of the same told me that a lot of the vocal reaction was pretty much the larp crowd jumping ship to different series' just to complain. They latched HARD onto Modulo because of it, but once again they cared more about the fights (which is why it's funny that Modulo capped the verse). The same happened to One Piece too, the twt and vocal crowd have pretty much poisoned the well of discussion with chasing Hype Moments and Aura. The Themes and Such meme started with MHA but it having stuck so hard to CSM specifically is the biggest proof of it all being the same crowd.
 
IbukiDoujisGiantTail said:
I have some more fundamental issues with JJKs writing as a whole but what really struck me about the ending was that I remember the sheer avalanche of backlash that happened when it originally ended. I thought the ending was overall middling (you're absolutely right about the pacing issues for both series') but people really did not like the ending either and the reaction to the CSM ending being much of the same told me that a lot of the vocal reaction was pretty much the larp crowd jumping ship to different series' just to complain. They latched HARD onto Modulo because of it, but once again they cared more about the fights (which is why it's funny that Modulo capped the verse). The same happened to One Piece too, the twt and vocal crowd have pretty much poisoned the well of discussion with chasing Hype Moments and Aura. The Themes and Such meme started with MHA but it having stuck so hard to CSM specifically is the biggest proof of it all being the same crowd.
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I find it funny that people cared so much about the fights in Modulo considering the general themes of the series and that the whole conflict to begin with was supposed to be the worst case scenario. People wanted Yuji to fight Dabura and beat him but like, what then? The Disney kaisen ending, as much as people shit on it, was basically the culmination of the themes and ideas set up since the first chapters of Modulo, regardless of pacing. Also many of the characters were explicitly weaker than the OG series. That’s why Dabura was such a threat because no one could face him except Yuji and Mahoraga but the latter is basically a “no one’s winning this” move.

Also yeah I agree. While obviously not all of the people who disliked the endings were larpers, I’m sure some were similar to myself where I was just taken aback by the pacing issues (I mean CSM ended with like 1 chapter to let the ending happen and JJK had like 2-3 and one of those was just a post fight analysis essentially) or blindsided by where the ending went. If you basically read both series through summaries or videos of course they’d think the endings were ass, most of those focused on the fights or funny moments/memes cause that’s what rakes in views and people find those entertaining. To hear both JJK and CSM basically ended anticlimactically without a major fight (Modulo specifically, JJK had Sukuna’s defeat but yknow pacing issues hurt it) probably made people think the endings were shit.

I will also say about themes and such that I think it’s a really shitty double edged sword for people who take it/use the phrase seriously. On the one hand if people use it to diminish writing for series it can show they didn’t care about the writing as much as fights/hype moments. However I’ve seen it countered with people putting themes above all else like characterization and literal plot so it’s also sort of weeding out people who like reading themes about series and not putting thought or care into analyzing anything else. Basically it’s revealing both the worst of both sides from what I can tell. Then there’s the mid end where people use it as a meme/just basic criticism where CSM or other series pushed themes a bit more than other aspects like characterization and plot and hurt the series which fair enough.
 
In hindsight, it feels uncannily funny that this ended up being true.
GunshyFever said:
Based on the current CSM vs JJK Death Battle discourse, this is how I believe each respective fandom would react if they saw their side was about to lose:
CSM fans:
"Ngl, this is why powerscaling is for subhumans. It makes no sense. I am above this."
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JJK fans:
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GunshyFever said:
In hindsight, it feels uncannily funny that this ended up being true.
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From what ive seen it goes sth like this:

A: "DB are so cooked, i cant believe they didnt use Modulo Yuji and let him loose"
B: "But they did use him ?"
A: "Nah, Modulo Yuji wouldve cooked that bum, i mean he's Modulo Yuji after all"
B: "But the stats..."
A: "THEY'RE WRONG, YUJI SHOULDVE WON, HE UPSCALES FROM EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IN JJK, HE'S AS STRONG AND FAST AS GOJO, SUKUNA AND DABURA COMBINE TIMES 10, HE'S MODULO YUJI!!!!!"

Some part are exaggerated but you get what i mean.
 
Bruh said:
From what ive seen it goes sth like this:

A: "DB are so cooked, i cant believe they didnt use Modulo Yuji and let him loose"
B: "But they did use him ?"
A: "Nah, Modulo Yuji wouldve cooked that bum, i mean he's Modulo Yuji after all"
B: "But the stats..."
A: "THEY'RE WRONG, YUJI SHOULDVE WON, HE UPSCALES FROM EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IN JJK, HE'S AS STRONG AND FAST AS GOJO, SUKUNA AND DABURA COMBINE TIMES 10, HE'S MODULO YUJI!!!!!"

Some part are exaggeratted but you get what i mean.
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JJK fans going beyond what was previously believed of them, not only not being able to read but not being able to watch and listen as well and thinking that they didn’t use Modulo Yuji despite him being in the pre and post fight analysis.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
JJK fans going beyond what was previously believed of them, not only not being able to read but not being able to watch and listen as well and thinking that they didn’t use Modulo Yuji despite him being in the pre and post fight analysis.
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I prerty sure every fandom has a part that react like this whenever their character lose a DB but all of this reminds me why i dont interact with powerscaling outside this site, it's just a competition of who can scream the loudest
 
Bruh said:
a competition of who can scream the loudest
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I doubt this, I have a feeling that their outcry could have a negative effect on their sportsmanship. If JJK gets put in another DB, I can 100% assure you that people will remember not just their complaints, some of which are valid, but also how they generally acted like sore losers, not good PR at all.
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
JJK fans going beyond what was previously believed of them, not only not being able to read but not being able to watch and listen as well and thinking that they didn’t use Modulo Yuji despite him being in the pre and post fight analysis.
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Among the bad look being that a majority of them seemingly haven't
 
Bruh said:
I prerty sure every fandom has a part that react like this whenever their character lose a DB but all of this reminds me why i dont interact with powerscaling outside this site, it's just a competition of who can scream the loudest
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I go onto other sites to see power scaling takes like Reddit/twitter but never interact unless it’s not toxic. Like if it’s a civil discussion I’ll interact cause why not. I prefer to just observe the shit takes than to discuss them.

GunshyFever said:
I doubt this, I have a feeling that their outcry could have a negative effect on their sportsmanship. If JJK gets put in another DB, I can 100% assure you that people will remember not just their complaints, some of which are valid, but also how they generally acted like sore losers, not good PR at all.
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As someone who’s been watching death battle since I was a kid (still remember when Goku vs Superman 2 came out) nah everyone’s like this. This one is somewhat worse just cause of how agenda heavy JJK fans are but for the controversial matchups nah they all get like this. Ben vs Hal Jordan and Godzilla vs Hulk are two examples. People still bring up that shit just to ***** and moan.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
I find it funny that people cared so much about the fights in Modulo considering the general themes of the series and that the whole conflict to begin with was supposed to be the worst case scenario. People wanted Yuji to fight Dabura and beat him but like, what then? The Disney kaisen ending, as much as people shit on it, was basically the culmination of the themes and ideas set up since the first chapters of Modulo, regardless of pacing. Also many of the characters were explicitly weaker than the OG series. That’s why Dabura was such a threat because no one could face him except Yuji and Mahoraga but the latter is basically a “no one’s winning this” move.

Also yeah I agree. While obviously not all of the people who disliked the endings were larpers, I’m sure some were similar to myself where I was just taken aback by the pacing issues (I mean CSM ended with like 1 chapter to let the ending happen and JJK had like 2-3 and one of those was just a post fight analysis essentially) or blindsided by where the ending went. If you basically read both series through summaries or videos of course they’d think the endings were ass, most of those focused on the fights or funny moments/memes cause that’s what rakes in views and people find those entertaining. To hear both JJK and CSM basically ended anticlimactically without a major fight (Modulo specifically, JJK had Sukuna’s defeat but yknow pacing issues hurt it) probably made people think the endings were shit.
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Yeah like thats what really annoys me about the JJK agenda posting, like its not just about how you whine over being so Strong Hype Aura etc etc but like you don't even engage with your story properly? I might think JJK has fundamental issues storywise but I can also see the interesting ideas and themes put into it. Powerscaling and Critical Analysis aren't incompatible, they're just two separate ways to engage with a story and the agenda posters heavily side with one yet don't even bother to actually Engage with the story they're trying to powerscale (which is how we end up with people having given Modulo Yuji a billion different upscales and powers he literally doesn't have lol).
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
I will also say about themes and such that I think it’s a really shitty double edged sword for people who take it/use the phrase seriously. On the one hand if people use it to diminish writing for series it can show they didn’t care about the writing as much as fights/hype moments. However I’ve seen it countered with people putting themes above all else like characterization and literal plot so it’s also sort of weeding out people who like reading themes about series and not putting thought or care into analyzing anything else. Basically it’s revealing both the worst of both sides from what I can tell. Then there’s the mid end where people use it as a meme/just basic criticism where CSM or other series pushed themes a bit more than other aspects like characterization and plot and hurt the series which fair enough.
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Themes and Such is genuinely a thought terminating phrase in that it's exclusively used just to diminish the actual writing in something. And unfortunately it's also a Really funny and echoable phrase which is why I enjoy using it lmao.

That said, as someone who fancies themselves a writer, I wholly disagree with the notion that themes shouldn't be put first in a work. Characters, plot, setting, etc are all just narrative tools that exist in service of a work's themes, a story is always trying to convey its central theme and you do that with your writing tools. A far more valid criticism I've seen with CSM is the adjacent opinion of "I understand what Fujimoto was going for with the ending but I think he just didn't do it well" because again, you have to use the tools to accentuate the theme but if you don't set up everything properly, then it just doesn't work. These narrative tools aren't unimportant, far from it, but I think with CSM specifically that's always been breaking its own rules for the sake of world building, hard focusing on certain minutiae just does the story a disservice. The ending isn't bulletproof by any means, absolutely far from it, but the negative reception to the ending I think comes far more from the people who only read the story through summaries and just wanted to look at the pretty fight scene pictures.
 
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IbukiDoujisGiantTail said:
Themes and Such is genuinely a thought terminating phrase in that it's exclusively used just to diminish the actual writing in something. And unfortunately it's also a Really funny and echoable phrase which is why I enjoy using it lmao.

That said, as someone who fancies themselves a writer, I wholly disagree with the notion that themes shouldn't be put first in a work. Characters, plot, setting, etc are all just narrative tools that exist in service of a work's themes, a story is always trying to convey its central theme and you do that with your writing tools. A far more valid criticism I've seen with CSM is the adjacent opinion of "I understand what Fujimoto was going for with the ending but I think he just didn't do it well" because again, you have to use the tools to accentuate the theme but if you don't set up everything properly, then it just doesn't work. These narrative tools aren't unimportant, far from it, but I think with CSM specifically that's always been breaking its own rules for the sake of world building, hard focusing on certain minutiae just does the story a disservice. The ending isn't bulletproof by any means, absolutely far from it, but the negative reception to the ending I think comes far more from the people who only read the story through summaries and just wanted to look at the pretty fight scene pictures.
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I can agree to a degree but what I more meant was people were taking themes as the end all be all and saying that stuff which as world building, characterization, even plot, were all lesser and unimportant compared to themes. While I would agree that it is lesser to an extent what I’ve seen people getting at is that as long as the central theme is good, you can butcher everything else and still have it be good which isn’t the case in my opinion (and also why themes and such exists to begin with as people believed that things like plot and character were being pushed aside to make way for the theme). I have unironically seen people say that plot and character are unimportant compared to a theme and that a good theme can carry a story which I find kind of laughable because I’ve seen many works that if you boil it down, have great themes but have such horrible execution, plot, and characters that it makes the whole thing moot.

As for the other thing you mentioned, yeah I feel like over analyzation has kind of ruined a lot of media because I feel a lot of fandoms nowadays are focused on nitpicking and theorycrafting. Looking for small details and the like that it ruins some story analysis. Missing the forest for the trees and all that
 
Breadbear83 said:
ITS OVER, ITS ******* OVER, 4 POCHITA SLOP DRAWINGS, FILLER CHARACTERS PRESENTANTIONS (I LOVE FAMI BUT ***** YOU DONT EVEN FULLY APPEAR HERE, YOUR ASS IS TAKING SPACE), AND THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS A PRETTY BACKGROUND
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Well it seems the extra just says that the WW2 guys still exist, easy to assume that Pochita "erasure" on himself brought everyone back but it clarifies (but also why is the name of that aircraft in a random place across the streets? May Yoru have some degree of worldwide power in the new timeline? As it's implies that currently Japan is in war with some nation)
 
Hey, this new world doesn't seem that bad anyway...well, yes, people still die and all.
But it seems like a upgrade compared to the ******* world destruction and eating by bugs
 
Chainsaw man: Modulo Shippuden One more+, where Denji and Power, under the command of Nayuta explore the newly resetted CSM timeline
 
speak of the devil...
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Yuji Itadori vs Pochita [0-0-0]

in before the downgrade + denjis too weak Yuji Itadori (Shinjuku Showdown) Attack Potency: 382.57 Kilotons, higher with Black Flash Durability: 382.57 Kilotons Lifting Strength: >125,959.279 Metric Tons Pochita (Part 1) Attack Potency: possibly >128.18 Kilotons Durability: possibly >128.18...
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