How so?
We have Eggman retreating into space, and in the ending cutscene we're even further into space than in the stage. This shows that them being this far into space in the first place makes sense. Sonic destroys the rocket and the two are launched back down to Earth. And regardless if this is MFTL+ or not, Tails in the tornado ends up in space and saves Sonic
what does it yield?
King Ghidorah please. One head drives, one handles items, and one observes.
what does it yield?
Sonic reacting to Cyan Wisp performing a Cyan Laser towards him and Surge outright catching it are some neat speed feats as well
Yes! Sonic and Whisper's attacks cause Master Overlord to scream in pain, Knuckles' punch dent Overlord's body and Blaze burns a portion of his wing.
Judging by the panel, he's fast enough to return to the same spot right after the water is leveled again. So like, 2 or 3 seconds. Pretty neat.
Way higher than Hypersonic I would reckon. Even this calc alone is High Hypersonic (Mach 40), and it was only a portion of Angel Island, so it might just be somewhere in the low-MHS+ range.
Super Neo WASHED both Sonic and Knuckles at once, blitzing them over and over, while visibly joking around and disapointed in how easy it was
No shit. I'm still pissed we rate it lower than Metal Overlord purely due to PIS requiring him to lose.
They are LITERALLY the same form... they should scale to same
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!
That's why I mentioned him doing it for a moment, as you can see as Knuckles runs up to the Master Emerald Sonic is able to clash with him about 4 times. I don't disagree Super Neo Metal was very much superior to them at the time
And then Neo blitz him and Knuckles while joking about it... Sonic is not "able" to do it, Neo ALLOWS him to do it, first thing he does is blitz both of them casually even
Sonic Mania Adventure
Thanks!
Actually hold up. Metal Overlord is: Adventure Era Neo Metal Sonic + Heroes Cast Biodata + Eggtech. Master Overlord is: Modern Era Neo Metal Sonic + Sonic and Shadow's Biodata + Master Emerald.
I don't remember that feat but there's also Silver effortlessly lifting the majority of that mountain when he was at that river with Duo, which would undoubtedly be Class G at worst.
As in, same Transformation, Ian said so, and so did the characters in universe after the event
How can they be the same transformation if the sources used to obtain such transformations are different?
It isn't the same and I disagree with those who say it is. Metal Overlord needed 3 Super Forms with a decent charge time to even stand a chance, while Master Overlord was getting damaged by Tangle.
I'm actually not too sure on whether or not Master Overlord actually even uses the Master Emerald's power ngl (if he does, its to a pretty limited extent). Sure it's physically attached to him but Sonic states he's not in a super state anymore which is backed up by the base cast being able to cause him pain and Knuckles inflicting minor but still visible physical damage, which should be impossible since Super Forms are supposed to be completely invulnerable. He also couldn't blitz the cast despite Super Neo being able to, which makes me think the transformation might legit have made him weaker. Maybe the Master Emerald just acts like a battery that Overlord doesn't actually draw any power from.
I mean:
God he got nerfed so ******* hard.
I mean. There's Metal Sonic Kai so maybe it could be argued as only the second worst transformation in the franchise.
At least Kai has an ending where he actually wins.
Fair point.
only time in the history of fiction that a transformation makes someone uncountably infinitely weaker
