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Chariot190

Chariot190

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  • NikHelton
    Hello
    Can you check it?
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    Boros's ship calc and High 6-C scaling

    Hi everyone. I'll say right away that this isn't a content revision. I have a small question regarding the High 6-C update and the calculation of Boros's ship. Boros's ship scales up to the complete destruction of City Z. However, I have a few issues with this: 1)20 psi value seems...
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    NikHelton
    NikHelton
    You're well-versed in matters concerning projectile counts and have previously discussed the feat of Boros's ship.
    Damage is currently awaiting feedback from other users. Would you be willing to join in?
    Phsccarvalho
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    Shouldn't this be removed? (MGR)

    Contradicted Multipliers Raiden (Metal Gear): While the guidebook do state Raiden's Ripper Mode to be a 7x multiplier from his base, this is something contradicted within the game itself, as shown how Base Raiden can survive multiple attacks from and even harm Armstrong, who could match...
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    KaramcaS
    Are you a JoJo expert? If you are, I have a question, is Alien X immune to GER and WoU?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Why ask me if I know about JoJo, and then ask me a question that has nothing to do with JoJo...
    KaramcaS
    KaramcaS
    Then, how can you counter WoU and GER, this is my new question
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Have NPE and exceed the laws of the word for former.
    Resist power nullification, causality manip, and have infinite speed+ for the latter.

    Idk there's lots of ways there's no "one" way to do so, it just depends on a character's kit.
    Phsccarvalho
    Have you ever played revegeance? I did it once playing from the beginning without starting with any kind of upgrade, improvement or anything like that (as I had already played on the xbxo360 when I bought it on the PC I started the game on that difficulty).
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Ive played them all.
    Phsccarvalho
    Phsccarvalho
    What did you think of the difficulty?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Wdym? It's fine. Obviously depends on the difficulty you pick.
    Huesito88
    You'd rather join in a DBS tier 1 thread than post your DB calcs 🤔
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I was in the shower bro I gotta kill time
    Also you're right, because it's funny just look at Baken and Class G. Is Class G real? Yep. Do I have multiple calcs done? Yep. Has he SEEN them? Yep. Will I post them tho?
    Huesito88
    Huesito88
    The million dollar question right there 🧐
    Huesito88
    Huesito88
    Your really go for it

    Thermor
    Did you give up on arguing in the Sukuna range thread?
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    No, Dale needs me to finish a DS calc for him that's gonna take like 8 hours because it has me going pixel by pixel tracing the area of a complex structure, it's the last thing he has before he can post the DS2 CRT ig.
    And then we have Unknown's MGS CRT which I'm close to finishing atm, I'm currently adding uhm... raiden's schizophrenia from 2 atm and trying to find the Raiden ass cheek lore.

    If we're going in order too down the list, excluding what Baken wants because that's funny, Eggman wants an RE calc, Emirp wants two TF calcs for the 2023 comic, KT needs help with OP which I'm pretty sure should be at the top but ehhhhh gotta wait your turn ig, then there's the whole DS shit which is mostly done but kind of waiting on free time in case it gets dragged on (people want that after MGR tho, got like 8 dudes saying do that next), while typing this I remembered Dust needs some Zelda clips (I got some of it done I need to finish), there WAS TR but I think Vzearr just went nuclear so uh, scratch that off the lit actually someone gets a free spot.
    I told Robo I'd do some Hellsing calcs and I don't actually know who, was it you? For Darth Vader (I started one of those calcs already but ya know), then we got just misc stuff. And this is ignoring MY own stuff. Oh right there was Batman too. And that's just what's next or started, I aint included what's open right now or to far off.

    Unless it's ******* required of me atm like that Zamasus hit was because nobody else would've said anything, that shit can wait, there's more important stuff I need to do that effects whole other CRTs others doing.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I frugot donkey kong bro
    Vzearr
    Vzearr
    As a note, I'm still hoping you work on the verse, I'll just be gone a while.
    Phsccarvalho
    Hey Chariot, what's your guess on the lightsaber's temperature value?
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I already started like two for Vader (the building and island feat, the temple lift might do too), but ok ig.
    I am busy tho, 3 dudes got me calcing shit to slip them. The first batch of MGS stuff prob get out today tho, then is Tf shit for Emirp I think?


    Me tbh.
    Phsccarvalho
    Phsccarvalho
    ByAsura did this a while ago. What would be the temperature? I can't read or calculate. Would you change anything?
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    Lightsabers Cut Through Metal

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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Busy atm but that calc has nothing to do with temps beyond the baseline to get energy. If you NEED a temp value atm, just use basic plasma torchers, lightsabers def hotter based solely on what they're capable of.
    Emerald
    Yo Chariot,
    i know you've been locked in when it comes to calculating temperature feats, so I wanted to ask you if you have any idea on how to calc the heat behind a planetary explosion? Trying to figure it out for Freeza surviving Namek exploding
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    Emerald
    Emerald
    Is it using the Stefan Boltzman Law and the KE behind Namek exploding?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    You could do that, not the KE part obviously, but that formula could cover a few steps. It's mostly heat transfer + conductivity but and then dependent on the feat in question for the additional steps, like the WW fire arrow calc is as hot as it is, because the actual source of the heat itself is a tiny arrow head while Majora's is a huge **** off fireball as big as earth. But eh **** it, you could probably use that to get 70% of the calc done anyway, like if it works it works.
    Emerald
    Emerald
    I see thank you
    Dark_Soul20189
    Yoo, just wondering to what degree of "limited durability negation" the new attacking organs will have?
    Huesito88
    Huesito88
    Your asking as in general? As in how much AP difference to Normal Durability to Durability of organs would it work?
    Dark_Soul20189
    Dark_Soul20189
    Yeah, like if it can be quantified by any metric or system, or if it's just "I feel like". Since I can guarantee that if there is not, it won't be fun to deal with in verses battles...
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Literally just depends, but also common sense. Like ngl, unless it's like the same tier, it won't do a whole lot. Even the most fragile internals, like the brain which irl is more like stiff tofu, is only 20x weaker than say, a muscle, and a basic punch to the head from a character equal to them would implicate they've took a bunch of said energy to at least some degree so ya know.
    Legit would say anywhere between 1x (so zero difference) to about 20x at most depending on what "organ" is being attacked directly, but that's just my opinion, not the rule, and there probably won't ever be an exact ruling for that because it depends on what organ is struck, how it's struck, and a bunch of other shit.
    Nonynho
    Hey, are the profiles of MGS protags usable or are they totally outdated?
    I intend on trying to matchmake after knowing them for a bit, now
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Super dogshit outdated like absolute dogass. Every single stat is wrong, missing 99% of equipment for some of them, a fuckton of abilities, hax, etc.

    MGR Raiden is ok tho, he's missin some stuff but it ain't a whole lot, just a few side weapons and items. He's like 80% there.
    Nonynho
    Nonynho
    Cool! Instead of big boss imma try matchmaking Raiden
    Phsccarvalho
    Do you participate in fun and games? I've been wanting to do a Fern vs. Darth Vader game because of their opposing battle styles.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I only participate in shit people put me at gunpoint to
    Anime_Facts
    Hello again Chariot, sorry to bother you, I wanted to ask, what are your thoughts on Diego The World's scaling with the original The World nowadays? I was looking for some justifications for this and in general I only see discussions from 2020 ~ 2021 where some people are more conservative in thinking they need better evidence while others seem to find the scaling acceptable since they are both The World. Since then, has anything new emerged to contribute to the discussion or the best we have so far is that Jojoveller doesn't have a page for Diego's TW, implying that it is the same as Dio's?
    Dark_Soul20189
    Yo @Chariot190, I think you may have some valuable information to add to the report to @Johner2133451 that's going on in the RvT, from what I have seen from your "debates" with him.
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    Dark_Soul20189
    Dark_Soul20189
    He claimed you "Made up the term mismatch" and should get an informal warning.
    (It was edited)
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Wtf? No i didnt? Thats been around since before i even joined.

    And we've, yes we, mods tried to too, explain WHAT a mismatch constitutes to him but he just dont listen.

    Nobody is saying hax matches cant be a thing, nobody saying hax cant mitigate tier gaps, hell even being unfun isnt why, but making instant win stomp matches where a character wins 100% of the time, depending on starting conditions like distance, is a mismatch as both characters stomp, but who stomps just depends on arbitrary starting conditions. Theres no scenario where one doesnt win 100% of the time.
    That's best case, that's what people mean by mismatch half the time, it's basically just a different flavor of making a stomp, plus half the time his matches is just straight up a stomp.

    Him being explained to like 30 times by multiple people as far back as the Raditz vs Luffy match, and him refusing to acknowledge it aint my fault dog 🗿

    Looking into it I dont think i need to join in but if it continues i will ig.
    Dark_Soul20189
    Dark_Soul20189
    Yep...
    Damage3245
    Do you think that a discussion rule is required for Immeasurable speed Dragon Ball at this point?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I would think so until an actual new feat comes out, given as it stands, at least for the anime, it's not gonna magically become not an outlier or contradicted fifty times over without new content.
    Dark_Soul20189
    Hello @Chariot190, while you are no longer a calc staff, I would still love your thoughts on this subject. (PS, the entire discussion is important)
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    A standard Issue for One Piece Speed

    I am not well knowledgeable in either calculations or speed ratings, but I have noticed a common trend for One Piece Speed ratings. This is that the "reaction speed calc's" doesn't just count for "reaction speed" but instead is counted as "overall speed", and these ratings are then used for...
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    Tahoy49574
    Hey man, someone actually went ahead and calculated Rex Splode destroying the gate which yielded Wall level

    Anyway, I have some other potential feats for the lower-tiers tiers of the Invincible-verse, could you see if any of these is good ? 🙏

    Chupacabra endures being punched against a building so hard it creates an explosion and part of it seemingly collapses

    Brit swings his arms with enough force to raise the ground and send multiple flaxan soldiers back

    Japandroid dodges gunfire point-blank

    Kaboomerang intercepts a escape pod

    I won't be able to do verse-wide CRTs for the time being but I'll try and see what else I can re-read, the only thing left is Brit's own series and Wolf-Man
    DemonicDude
    do you know anything about superman? mind checking this match up
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I know his ass missing a bunch of slop. I don't know enough to know what slop though beyond the fact his ass probably has some smurf resistances.
    DemonicDude
    DemonicDude
    hmm.. arguing for him for the old time sake.
    DemonicDude
    DemonicDude
    I guess once Supergirl match is over your can hop on to Superman vs Ben thread and do what must be done 😈 they'll fear your name
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    chosen
    Sorry if bother, but when I checked the current thraxan feat thread and seen your message I became curious

    What are the mftl+ feats above the thraxan feat?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Literally just feats involving going to Talescira, but in shorter times. Like a quick one is Allen saying he could do it in "a few days" casually the day Anissa left Earth from boxing Mark (given when he left, that would be an easy 400m c feat, also makes the ship he dodged pretty damn fast given it already got to the point where he was casually).
    Pretty sure there's a galaxies away statement too somewhere.
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    Eclipso
    If you had no shot, would you still take it?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1070940734380847195/1070942080668553277/Untitled39_20220427005718.png?ex=680a77c9&is=68092649&hm=7a9354ed981d4be0b70a4ec6575959d640124183adb3800dcde32669938122c7&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=313&height=313
    20$ is 20$.
    DaReaperMan
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    Omni Man Revision Thread

    Omni Man is listed as small planet level on this wiki when he actually scales anywhere from Large Star level to possibly Solar System level. I included my calculations in the links on the page, as well as real world comparisons for my calculations. This information is on a page on another wiki...
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    Here ya go?
    LegendariumOfLies
    Mind looking at this CRT?
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    Berserk: Simple CRT for Beginning Of The Golden Age’s LS and Speed

    Intro: Our Speed and LS calcs are shit. Luckily, these calcs have not-so-recently been accepted, so let’s apply them.This should be fairly easy and straightforward. Speed: Guts - Guts now has two separate feats that put him at Subsonic+. This means his Beginning Of The Golden Age should be...
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    LegendariumOfLies
    LegendariumOfLies
    Sorry to bother you Chariot need some help getting this passed.
    Tahoy49574
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Door should be easy to calc, do you have shots of what it looked like afterward? Though I doubt it'd be beyond 9-A, so if he's gonna be higher than that already it isn't worth calcing, but if not it should doable, I'd need to see the aftermath though to know what type of damage it took and thus if it's frag, vfrag, pulv, vape, or some other secret bullshit like yield, shear, or even a mix.

    The speed shit ain't really viable, first one might be something, but we have no idea when he started moving compared, at worst we'd need to just assume he began moving the instant after he fired, in which case it would only be like subsonic, at best, given the richochets kind of inflate the distance the bullet moved.

    Next one, is the same, we only see a panel of him already having dodged. we don't know when he began moving, or how much the bullets had moved in that same timeframe.

    In which case, what are the stats looking at atm? 8-C? Supersonic? Etc. The foundation atm effects what is calc-worthy.
    Tahoy49574
    Tahoy49574
    Door should be easy to calc, do you have shots of what it looked like afterward? Though I doubt it'd be beyond 9-A, so if he's gonna be higher than that already it isn't worth calcing, but if not it should doable
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    Unfortunately there aren't shots of the destroyed door. Even 9-A would be fine, Comic Rex is currently Wall level over kicking a door off, but that's Street level tho ?

    The speed shit ain't really viable, first one might be something, but we have no idea when he started moving compared, at worst we'd need to just assume he began moving the instant after he fired, in which case it would only be like subsonic.
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    Consistent wit this ig ? He also scales to a supressed Outrun tho I don't know if it could be argued she's faster than that since she can react to the bullet travelling next to her. Best we can hope for is the show gives this and Rex's feat more details Interlude of the 3rd CRT will be me fighting to to get the wiki to use the show as a reference for the comic

    There are also these other instances of bullet dodging but I don't know if that's also unviable since they don't look like regular guns (tho Eve's profile does use stopping Killcanon's bullets as a Supersonic+ feat without calculation)
    In which case, what are the stats looking at atm? 8-C? Supersonic? Etc
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    Currently the only 8-C feat is Rex destroying a mansion with a explosion, but personally I think it could be argued to be higher due to it's sheer size
    Huesito88
    Hey Chariot curious what your thoughts are on this, as this is technically something Calc related and you used to be a Calc Group member (and mainly since you like to use real world comparisons in vs battles), thank you. (If you don't have an actual answer to the question, you can place a betting estimate number for FUN)

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    DMUA
    So, Ender Magnolia

    Obviously you're working on stuff for it, same as with Lily's page, I don't have an immense amount of free time myself to put in work, the main reason I'm making this message beyond generally wanting to connect is thinking about what even to do with the ending
    So like, with Nola's Attuner Art shattering the barrier after it's true power was realized and Lilia apparently being able to redirect the released magic to destroy the Rain of Death, the scaling is really messing with me

    On one hand it is a super attack that she needs a special item to access the full potency of, but it's also an attack she can just kinda throw out and Gilroy is fully capable of enduring that, and I don't remember the implication that it has a barrier negating property, but then again Lilac gets one shot or borderline so by Gilroy pulling out his own big sword swing

    Maybe I'm overcomplicating it I just think it's kinda funny, I guess Lilia's end of it does make it clear Lily would just be High 7-A flat out with Cleansing and the other white priestesses being in the background was probably symbolism I took too literally
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    DMUA
    DMUA
    Yeah that much I know, but I don't remember if it's actual damage numbers change due to that, or from other enhancements from Relics and such

    I figure if we are scaling them it should scale to endgame Lilac in general, given they do upgrade their other homunculi throughout the game and it wouldn't make sense for them to only use one part of their entire arsenal

    Given the Blighted Lord is responsible for the rain of death in the Land's End that would support that it is in fact something their general power output can handle, by a default I figured it was more environmental destruction and Lily could barely handle that level of power through cleansing but obviously Magnolia did not see it the same way

    Are we sure that'd be speed rather than just teleporting is the other thing, but yeah
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It's speed, he flies up above screen, and then flies back down. It's fast, like 3-6 frames but he has animations for it that make it blatantly movement, though you can only really see it if he decides to do it in like the same spot, which he can, and obviously the speed lines. Plus the fact he can't exactly teleport to begin with.

    Im more concerned with combat/reactions though. Theres light speed shit, but im pretty sure theyre all hitscan so that might not even be an option. Theres both electricity and lightning shit, but it's pretty inconsistent in how long bolts and arcs take to move between frame data.

    Ill probably do them one at a time in blogs, like Lito's feat blog, Yolvan feats, general feats, whatever.
    Plus Ive already grinded everything out for the profile, lv100, maxed upgrades, maxed relics, even those ******* relic slots that ended up taking like 300k a pop to buy, recorded footage of all her shit, all the lore data, cleaned out the gallery, etc. it's just a lot of sorting and compiling (and calcs) atm.
    DMUA
    DMUA
    We do see that Homunculi can just dematerialize and reappear elsewhere, but yeah that wouldn't be applicable to their boss fight, would it

    Man I really blitzed through stuff, I don't remember anything at all that'd allude to lightspeed. Given it's all magic and thus doesn't behave very realistically I'd hazard to use it, but again I evidently haven't given a lot of scrutiny to whatever statements are made
    Lort15
    i feel like there is something wrong about heaven ascension dio's spatial manipulation scan could you check that please?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It aint wrong, it's just poorly elaborated.

    The corpse part warped space causing things to warp like 36km. He has that piece of the corpse.
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    Anime_Facts
    Hey Chariot, sorry to bother you, but I have a few questions about Chariot Requiem that Id like to hear your thoughts on.

    I was re-reading the final arc of part 5 to create a profile of Chariot Requiem on my wikia, and I was confused by some interpretations of his ability.

    Firstly, is it safe to assume that defeating Chariot by destroying the "light" of the soul is basically suicide? I see a lot of people saying this is the case, but on the other hand, couldn't Bruno not returning to his body be due to his injuries and his "undead" state possibly coming to an end?

    And also, due to Chariot's nature of being the shadow of the observer's soul, couldn't he receive some sort of Abstract existence from this? or at least type 8 immortality, since his existence is connected to the "light" behind the souls of those who observe him?
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I thought i replied, ill reply better later with some scans.
    But Tldr would be he probably died because he was already dead so he just ascended, his and Gio's talk kind of says as much with Gio going "your body though-", but that in itself doesn't inherently mean destroying the light of one's soul is safe either.

    and Type 8 might have merit, after all, the implication is that it can't die no matter what as long as the light remains, although only one light needs to be destroyed to kill it, but it being the shadow of the soul directly ties it's immortality to said light.
    I wouldn't say AE though, it's corporal, can be touched and seen by anyone, and being a shadow of a soul is ***** but not exactly abstract as how we define it (Like you wouldn't call Hanged Man abstract for being light or Black Sabbath or Set abstract for being literal shadows).
    Anime_Facts
    Anime_Facts
    Yeah, I had that impression while rereading it, I think if it was really Araki's intention for it to be some kind of suicide, he would probably draw Bucci's soul exploding apart like he did with Shigechi's soul when Kira kills him or smth, Gio probably wouldnt mention his body either, I asked because I was reading some old VS threads where you brought up that possibility and I was curious to know if there was still anything to support that interpretation.
    It seems like Immortality 8 makes sense, but regarding AE, I thought it could be a similar case to God Hand in Berserk, who have physical bodies that can be touched, but their essence is defined as a "mass of thought" and gained AE for that.
    I'm just not sure if being a "soul shadow" would fit as some sort of abstraction.

    Also, thanks for the answer !
    Da3ggman
    Hey Chariot, totally out of the blue random, but would you happen to know if we use 20km average for the horizon? Or do we calculate it using the horizon calculator? Figured I’d ask you since you’re like, one of the best guy I’ve seen when it comes to calcing stuff.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    20km is generally what we use for ground lv stuff. If you're super high af tho you should calc it (If you're way below the horizon line like in a hole or some shit idk, calc it then too).

    Like you could calc it either way if you want to, but 20km is like the default placeholder that nobody will get on your ass for if it's around ground lv.
    Da3ggman
    Da3ggman
    Thanks bro, appreciate it!
    DaReaperMan
    Hey Chariot, hey Chariot!

    You're gonna laugh.
    Johner2133451

    Thread 'Raiden Ei vs Kratos'

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    Raiden Shogun (Genshin Impact)

    The Raiden Shogun (雷電らいでん将しょう軍ぐん, Raiden Shōgun?), true name Ei (影えい?), is the Electro Archon and the exalted ruler of the island nation of Inazuma. Despite her status as the incarnation of thunder itself, transient and instantaneous, she is committed to the pursuit of Eternity, the preservation...
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    Kratos

    Kratos (Greek: Κράτος) is the titular playable protagonist of Sony Santa Monica Studio's acclaimed God of War series. Born and raised among the violent Spartans, Kratos rose through the ranks to become a fearsome general, winning many wars under his command. However, they eventually encountered...
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    Raiden Ei is used

    Kratos at his multi solar key and no divine weapons/equipment

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