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Btw, I wanna ask your opinion on something. In hundred line, there’s a scene that, depending on how we interpret it, could upscale everyone in speed

There was the scene where Takemaru or Kyoshika sacrifice themselves to stop V’ehxness by destroying the rocket, and Tsubasa could have, but just chickened out. So I think everyone scales to the speed they’re moving at

Already, matching/nearly matching the speed of the missile is Subsonic+ to massively hypersonic

However, it almost seems they speed up near the end of the attack, and perceive it as frozen in the air. If that’s the case, that could be calced very easily at Massively Hypersonic to Sub Relativistic

The issue is that I’m not sure whether they’re perceiving it as frozen, or if it’s just simply stopping in midair to give itself a chance to blow up

You wanna give your thoughts? Because this is the difference between them being Hypersonic or Massively Hypersonic-Sub Relativistic, so it does matter. And this feat isn’t hard to calculate

I think they might be perceiving it as frozen, because when I watched route versions, I don’t think it appears to stop like it does in their versions

Actually, I can’t tell if it does stop. I know real life missiles can’t just stop midair like that. So it’s really what makes me not sure about how to interpret this

Yeah, ill keep updating and revamping the profiles while i can. Desuhiko is tricky but i doubt he wouldnt scale comparably to Yuma or Fubuki at least. His memory allows him to perfectly memorise from a glance the exact details for disguises (which would take some pretty superhuman perception speed to detail all the features), and ig he is able to literally run and restrain Yomi and Martina before they can properly react. Meanwhile, Yomi was literally able to surprise and knock out Vivia.
I feel like part of the WDO training should also require the detectives to be able to fend for themselves at least too, including Desuhiko even though its not his specialty. Alongside what he apparently does in the novel, I think its means to upscale him but otherwise its Unknown.

As for the Hundred line stuff, id kinda just give that moment where it looks frozen as a framing of shot. Its a typical trope to have the characters sorta smile/look at the explosiont hats about to self sacrificially kill them (Kyoshika even directly references manga examples of this). Im not sure given its ambiguity it should be one of the main points tbh.
I wouldnt know if we could compare the speed of that huge warhead missile to a regular one though. It was moving very slow in the cutscene and obv had a lot of mass to it compared to normal

True yeah, so I guess he should be comparable to them then

Actually, some irl ones are over 100 tons and reaching Mach speeds, so I don’t think its size would make it move considerably slower. And yeah, it’s appears to be moving pretty slow. But there’s no way we’re seeing the actual speed things are happening. It would have to be moving pretty fast to even be airborne. Also, with how the tip looks like it’s pushing air out of the way, it’s definitely moving pretty fast

That being said, I see what you mean about it being a defining feat. The fact that the feat is so debatable in the first place does mean it’s iffy to use. Especially when it’s so much higher than all over feats

Our next best fest is Moko lighting fire in her special move, which is hypersonic. Even just massively hypersonic is a huge jump compared to that

It still kinda drives me a bit crazy though lmao

Yeah, im sure once i get back into the HNDR mindset we'll find some other things. Hypersonic seems fine for now tbf

Agreed. I think the hundred line verse just isn’t very speed feat heavy in general tbh

I posted the 4 calcs you've done so far to that Evaluations thread! Hopefully we get lucky and its picked up soon

Ok! I’d already posted them, but maybe 2 posts make it more likely.

Also, for the sacrifice feat. I posted it on Reddit asking for people’s thoughts, and I think it’s likely enough that it just appears frozen from their perspective that I think I’ll do the calc. It may be rejected because it isn’t likely enough that that’s the case. But I’ll post it regardless. And if it’s accepted, we can discuss whether we’ll apply it!

Yeah i guess theres no harm in seeing if it yields anything

I did the calc, and it’s Massively Hypersonic+ on the low end, sub relativistic at the high end. I assume the low end will be whet gets taken, which is fair. Again, that’s if it does and doesn’t need any tweaks or anything. We’ll see

yeah, we'll weigh it against everyone else.

This also took place like, after R0 where they all got massively buffed

That is true. But it was also pretty early in the hundred days. So I’d argue everyone after the route 0 buff should scale

In the first hundred days, the best thing is still Moko’s hypersonic feat

Tbf Moko didnt properly appear or use that move in R0, but she could still use it i reckon.

How are we looking on AP then?

Oh, actually technically you’re right. In that case, it’s Kyoshika’s attack, which creates a sonic boom. So supersonic

For ap. I have a small building level calc for Moko’s final attack, but it isn’t evaluated, and isn’t usable for the first playthrough anyway. But I think it’s fair to assume the characters look visually wall to small building level anyway

However, Shion is Building+ level from melting through the door. Consistent with his building level Ap per second needed to make the planetary weapon. Since V’ehxness should be similar, I think she scales, and the students all downscale to building level

Second playthrough, Takumi is stated to be on Shion’s level I think. So building level+. The other students should be comparable, if not exactly as strong, so the same

I think V’exhness, Shion, and D’ahlxia in the second playthrough upscale to Large Building level

I have another calc for V’hexness that puts her ap per second at Large Town level. Makes sense, as she can survive Shion’s small city level attack when it was directed at her (but he did say was partially due to his own lack of skill)

V’ehxness only achieves this level in routes where she starts absorbing commanders early on. In the ST route, it’s even stated that she can’t make her missile because she didn’t start absorbing commanders early enough

So basically, my proposition is

Students in first playthrough: building level

Shion, V’exhness, then later Takumi and Eito in first playthrough: building level+

Students in second playthrough: building level+

V’ehxness, D’ahlxia, and Shion in second playthrough: Large Building level

V’ehxness after absorbing majority of commanders, along with anyone who scales to her without needing to poison her: large town level

Also, to support building level ap for students and commanders even in playthrough one: it’s stated that commanders can rip through human tanks and other battle machines. Most high powered tanks and aerial vehicles are building level

Tbf, i could imagine Commanders being upscaled a bit better than just Large Building level. It takes a group effort to take them down, and the SDU canonically die and get revived multiple times in battles as one of their big advantages and reasons they can win.
V'exhness themself could likely scale to Shion in the routes where they gain Undying Flame attacks.

Coming of Age would make everyone scale to higher ends too ig with the badges.

Well, it’s difficult to scale regular commanders. They definitely don’t scale to Shion. And again, definitely at least building level. And the SDU can at least survive attacks from V’exhness

I think she scales to Shion even initially because, in the second timeline, everyone should have scales proportionally. And Shion can’t scratch Dhal’xia, but she could beat him even when she was six. So I figure those 3 are at least in the same ball park.

That being said, V’hexness can one shot even regular commanders. So I think SFU and commanders in the first route are all just building level, albeit with commanders just being stronger within it

Second timeline, I also think they just all scale up to building level+

Also, they definitely do scale higher from Shion’s badges. But I imagine not as much so as when Takumi and Eito both directly shared his power. That was still one of the only routes where a full powered V’hexness was surprised by their strength though. So in that route specifically, at least those 2 could scale to large town level, I’d say

Thats fair for now. Going over the routes and dialogue will be big but looks like we at least have a starting point now (once stuff gets approved)