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Chariot190

Chariot190

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  • Rabbit2002
    Hi, can I borrow your calc for future revision? I try to rework the verse and it can merge CoTM and RoTN together due to the interview stuff.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Of course.
    I've been meaning to actually finish that tbh, I have sandboxes laying around for the mutt, fast dude I forgot the name of and Zangetsu.
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    Thanks a lot, I will try finish the sandbox as soon as possible
    DaReaperMan
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    GodlyCharmander
    GodlyCharmander
    I'd appreciate your opinion there.
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Poke
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I wrote up a reply, a substantial one.
    But then I realized half of what I was saying isn't even on the profile so kinda hard to actually discuss it, and there's probably gonna be a slight upgrade upgrade in the future anyway whenever the big boy drops (idk based on some lines about material toughness and a potential feat, I got some numbers at like 300ish kt (though I've also been looking at a potential higher feat but I'm unsure on that one yet, can't find values online to calc it), so who knows, no promises for that).

    It's no secret that I've been working extensively on a massive MGS CRT since May that covers absolutely everything ever, from gameplay, codecs, and more to even guides like the Piggyback's, interviews and artbooks. (Armor has also been helping).

    I figured probably best to just wait whenever that gets finished (I've been putting MGS3 stuff into albums the past few days), unless you people don't mind me spouting a bunch of shit that isn't citated yet, because Blade Wolf is missing a handful of abilities and looking over that thread, there seems to be contention regarding "skill", amps and intellect stuff.
    Hell I'm gonna toss every skill feat/statement in a blog as well, literally just so people can just skim through that and we never have to deal with this again.
    First_Witch
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Oh, I actually just finished going through Part 1 for a Jonathan overhaul, as well as a Dio overhaul and the Hamon page (Took awhile due to references).
    Not really done yet tho, hell just spent like 20 minutes ******* with image tabber code for Dio, finally got it to function though (Still need to make renders to replace placeholder images).

    I could debate a little but I'm not sure if doing so would be best, given I'm working on some new stuff for them as we speak, though it also won't be done for a bit so eh?
    First_Witch
    First_Witch
    Its up to you, cant force ya either way. Just thought it would be nice for to give your input, considering that the debatte was pretty onesided
    WinsonDetamp
    Chariot
    But i wanna infer something that you have said before.
    You said that go beyond might not be able to affect magenta because magenta has redirected spin before. But i dont think its gonna be like that.
    The spin that gyro used back then wasnt an infinite spin, it was a normal spin.
    Infinite spin was the perfected spin that reached the power of gravity that was able to surpass the dimensional barriers. I think go beyond spin is on that level because it also is on the same state, as rai said "it can surpass walls, and it can surpass logic of this world" (if i remember correctly).
    So at the first place 20th century boy has never been shown to be able to survive from gravity or something similar as powerful as those stuffs.
    Correct me if im wrong though
    WinsonDetamp
    WinsonDetamp
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Go Beyond is, unfortunately, not even remotely close to being on that level. Go Beyond in layman's terms is just "Nothing/Void+Spin energy".

    Rai did indeed say that Go Beyond can "pass" through anything, but that wasn't because of the spin per say though that is a factor (Don't forget, normal Spin can do that too, Gyro and Johnny both utilize Spin transferal many times through Part 7, Spin, much like Hamon, can pass through objects. Phasing through LT also isn't exclusive to Act 4/BB, they just do so while also negating its effects and can so physically, such an example would be Johnny's Act 2 spin imbued holes entering Love Train in the manga, they just couldn't inflict lasting damage or bypass the damage transfer, but that doesn't mean a type of spin below Infinite Rotation can't do the wacky phasing and dimensionality stuff too, it just ultimately doesn't matter - Funnily enough, The Holes have a lot in common with Go Beyond, both being empty spaces that spiral down to infinity while being imbued with spin energy), but also in part to Go Beyond being a void, similar to that of Cream. Because Go Beyond doesn't have a physical composition, it can selectively choose to phase through anything without damaging it (See when it phased through Norisuke to blow apart WoU who was within him, for example), or outright annihilate it the same way Ice does for example (See it voiding out a wall, vending machine, etc).

    And "it can surpass the logic of the world", is indeed something that they say (Specifically in the Ch108 tailpiece in the volume release), but that isn't talking about some hyper special or specific spin exclusive to Go Beyond, it's saying Spin, in general, is something that surpasses the logic of the world, and because Go Beyond's bubble doesn't actually exist, all that's left is a formless Spin Energy, thus enabling it to bypass Calamity as all that is left is the spin, thus the Calamity can't stop it.

    If I had to give a analogy, imagine Gyro Zeppeli throws a steel ball imbued with spin at WoU. It would be effected by the Calamity as the spin is imbued in a conduit (the steel ball), that Calamity can effect. But if, for argument's sake, Gyro threw his Steel Ball imbued with the Spin, but that steel ball didn't actually exist, thus effectively Gyro tosses a sphere of literal nothingness imbued with the Spin at WoU. WoU wouldn't be able to stop it, as the Spin itself surpasses it and thus Calamity can't hinder the Spin itself, and because there's nothing for WoU to effect as it doesn't exist, Gyro's nonexistent spin imbued steel ball would slam WoU in his face.
    That's basically Go Beyond, pure Spin energy imbued to actual nonexistent nothingness.

    Go Beyond has a few quirks to it that make it quite good and potent, some of which is because of spin, some of which is because it doesn't exist, but in terms of "Spin Potency", it's not exactly comparable to the Infinite Rotation, it's probably closer to Johnny's Act 2 or 3 or something.
    Though hopefully Araki can clear up some of this at a later time, because while I say this, there is still a few gaps in information that would be nice to know that not even the raw japanese text explains in a sufficient manner.


    Anyway I hoped I explained it well enough, I might have ****** up somewhere, I've been up for like 20 hours.
    Also yes, this does indeed imply what you think it does, we'll add that when we done Part 7 CRT (Finishing up the LS CRT as we speak, writing out the draft).
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Though that isn't to say Go Beyond isn't a manifestation of gravity and what not too or whatever the dude in that twitter post is trying to extrapolate.

    It just isn't inherently the same caliber as the Infinite Rotation, even if they have overlapping effects to a degree (Which I mean? Obviously? They're both Spin, they're gonna share a LOT of shit).
    Unknownnah
    Why is Blade Mode in Raiden's Custom Cyborg key a 2x boost when in his last 8-A key it's a 10x boost?
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    Unknownnah
    Unknownnah
    Ah. Is it possible for killing Blade Mode and Ripper Mode to stack up to a 50x boost?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Nah, Killing Blade Mode just becomes the standard amp when Ripper is active. They don't stack, it's just automatically the highest when in Ripper.
    Unknownnah
    Unknownnah
    Would've been very based for Raiden to have a amp like that
    DemonicDude
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I skimmed it, I don't really have any real thoughts on it.
    DemonicDude
    DemonicDude
    Can you tell me a couple of high end feats for Raiden that would changed this battle ? (Asking as a casual fan knowing nothing of either franchise)
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Well AP wise he's definitely beat, but I have been looking at some potential higher speed feats.
    And I was more so talking equipment and abilities, while nowhere near that of Snake of BB, who have passives for some reason (expect some haxy additions in the upcoming CRT), Raiden still has some good stuff, Fox Blade off the top of my head is neat, it's a High Frequency Blade that has remnants of Gray Fox's soul imbued into it, which straight up ignores durability and instant kills half the time atop of usual HF aspects.
    Peppersalt43
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    Peppersalt43
    Peppersalt43
    I mean if it's a calc change, it won't really matter since this is an equal stat tourney
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    RAY's stats fine, mostly abilities, tech and the like for Metal Gears themselves. Maybe LS for MG's (Rya has like a 100,000 ton feat) but that doesn't matter
    Peppersalt43
    Peppersalt43
    OK then just list these possible abilities there. These matches aren't getting added anyway
    DemonicDude
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    KLOL506
    KLOL506
    Don't forget that there are two chain linkages, angle of attack also matters, as Spino pointed out in a Jessica Jones calc.
    DemonicDude
    DemonicDude
    I don't think I'm quite ready for this type of calc
    Arceus0x
    Arceus0x
    it's actually super simple. All you need is the area of the part that got torn off/crushed and the MPa of the material which you can find on the internet and convert it to kg/cm^2 which can also be done via the internet
    Popted2
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I'll watch it and chime in after I learn what the **** an izetta is.
    GoldenScorpions
    GoldenScorpions
    An Izetta is a type of witch, typically found in the mountains and high-altitude plains of central Europe. She can often be seen around the princess of her country, enjoying the company of one another. While many witches are often known to use brooms for flight, this particularly species instead uses .55 Boys anti-tank rifle, a peculiar substitute to be certain, however it provides effective and immediate offensive power in case of danger. Furthermore, she possesses the ability to telekinetically control objects by touching them; not even tanks and planes are immune to it. Witch observers have reported a red stone hanging at Izetta's neck, presumed to empower her magic and combat capabilities. Despite her experience in war combat and dogfights in the sky, the Izetta witch possesses a gentle and kind personality, with a hint of clumsiness. Her most known trait, however, remains her unwavering loyalty towards her liege.

    Thanks for listening to National Witch Geographic

    xD
    Blue
    Hello there, I have a question about the nature of the projections within King Crimson's erased time if you don't mind.

    So the blood that Diavolo can throw within erased time becomes separated from himself and becomes a projection (due to the blood being able to interact with these projections when Diavolo and King Crimson themselves can't) but something I don't understand is this, if Diavolo can alter the projections (which are the images of what would have occured if time wasn't erased) by throwing blood wouldn't the projections have a sort of "reaction" to the blood going in their eyes? Like Diavolo is altering the things that would have happened if time wasn't erased, if during that period people were to get blood thrown in their eyes wouldn't they be reacting negatively to it? (Such as squinting, similar to how Jotaro did when he got blood thrown into his eyes).

    If you have any answers to this I would greatly appreciate it, thanks.
    Popted2
    Popted2
    Hey Chariot, i found other abilities that can be added to Joseph profile if you are interested
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    Popted2
    Popted2
    i didn't exlplain it badly right? you just have to put the link from Weapon Mastery, then nominate it Master Marksman, and add the scans

    that's it,
    Popted2
    Popted2
    you think you can do that now? if its not a problem?
    Popted2
    Popted2
    Hey i saw that you added the ability, thanks Chariot, you really helped me

    if there is anything that you need from me don't hesitate to ask

    to be honest i found other abilities as well wich will be added to all Hamon users, however not now, i don't want to disturb you anymore especially this time of the year, if i'm gonna bring it out it will be after the holidays, now just rest and enjoy the holidays

    Merry Christmas Chariot 😊
    LaserPrecision
    I wanted to talk about the idea you suggested for Silver, that his AP would be in the Tier 7 range. I consulted someone about it to see if it can be done to upgrade the verse, and they told me that due to the object that Silver crushed not being that big, it would hardly even yield Tier 8 results and that the only reason the Lifting Strength came out that high is because it involved steel which is ridiculously sturdy. An example they gave is a steel ring, very small and doesn't require an absurd amount of energy to destroy, but requires a LOT of 'lifting strength' to crush.
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    LaserPrecision
    LaserPrecision
    Oh, I know that. I just realized as I looked on the source though that both Ultimate Tensile Strength AND Yield vastly vary. What I used was a low end for Tensile strength instead of an average like I normally do. The average for yield is actually higher than the low-end for Ultimate Tensile strength. So it would be an upgrade, but it would've been a downgrade if I instead used the average for ultimate tensile strength.
    LaserPrecision
    LaserPrecision
    I updated the calculation. Wanted to know if you could calculate the AP using the updated result (Hasn't been evaluated yet, but I'm sure it will soon).
    LaserPrecision
    LaserPrecision
    Here's the updated calc. You don't have to calculate the AP for me, because I wouldn't mind doing it, but I would just need to know how to do it as I'm kind of confused about the method. If you can calculate it, that would also be much appreciated, as I could then learn from reference.
    HammerStrikes219
    So on Dio’s Over Heaven Post Absorption key, the weakness mentioned he doesn’t need to physically touch yet in the cutscenes near the end at

    Check around 14:12 to 14:22 mark, we see Jotaro stating that Dio’s ability to activate whenever his fist touches something.


    Also we see Jolyne getting punched at 11:48 when it happens with Reality Overwrite ability I think.

    Can I get your opinion on this? Not a jojo expert, but I have some limited knowledge on the series.
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    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    That is kinda weird, but looking at 1:44, he did tried to punch Jotaro right there with his stand (?). Hell, even the sound and visuals show it to being a punch too.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Well yeah, he punched a hole through him, would require punching, even if some RO was tossed in there.
    But that's beside the point.
    I'm saying it's seemingly both. He sometimes does it with contact, he sometimes does it without. There's examples of both so we have to make do with both, especially as the original raws never made contact a requirement, just that the energy to do so originates from his fist (And I guess we already know he can send that energy and have it home-in on a target, as shown with his corruption aura? I guess that kinda answers that question?).
    He just does both interchangeably, beyond that I can't tell ya much, it's a one-off game with a loose plot that's just meant to be fanservice and has had no further info presented past what's in that single game, we work with what we got. As said, I'm indifferent to how we treat it, but others have concluded that due the existence of Dio doing it from a distance or over a large scale without direct contact, with merely gestures and the like at times, and the lack of an actual statement of contact in the raw, that direct contact is just a eng only thing.
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Huh, fair enough for now.
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