Those wouldn't scale to Battlecruisers and those capable of somewhat damaging Battlecruisers
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OneBleachHurricane
Not_Icarus
We can compromise tier 7 and 6 together. Battlecruisers can be argued to scale to Leviathans via Motherships as we kill them with either Vikings or Battlecruisers. Motherships are closer in scale to Leviathans too in both size and power. Hybrids are weaker than Kerrigan but still enough of a threat to pierce through Kerrigan's body and harm her. Plus they get killed by heavy tiers like immortals and the capital ships.
Also tbf the only thing larger than a battlecruiser that Leviathans pierced was the Moros and that wasn't even a combat ship, that's a prison ship designed for cargo and not warfare.
Gorgons get to fight Tal'Darim Motherships in NCO and are portrayed to be relatively on par too. Xanthos was defeated by Nova and her forces and she has access to the latest and most powerful in line weapons and vehicles the Dominion has to offer. The moirai class battlecruisers skin description says it's the latest generation battlecruisers from Valerian's era and they can be used against the Xanthos when we fought it.
Also tbf the only thing larger than a battlecruiser that Leviathans pierced was the Moros and that wasn't even a combat ship, that's a prison ship designed for cargo and not warfare.
Gorgons get to fight Tal'Darim Motherships in NCO and are portrayed to be relatively on par too. Xanthos was defeated by Nova and her forces and she has access to the latest and most powerful in line weapons and vehicles the Dominion has to offer. The moirai class battlecruisers skin description says it's the latest generation battlecruisers from Valerian's era and they can be used against the Xanthos when we fought it.
OneBleachHurricane
In Reclamation, the Zerg on Aiur brought down one of the Golden Armada's Motherships. They had no Leviathans otherwise Artanis or Selendis, prior to the invasion, would have mentioned it.
And that Battlecruisers have gone down to far less (Mutalisks, Scourge, Spore Cannons, etc.)
In the Game, Lore-wise it takes numbers for Vikings to take down a Battlecruiser. Same goes for Battlecruisers against Leviathans and Motherships
A Mothership can go down to something less than a Leviathan.
In Reclamation, the Zerg on Aiur brought down one of the Golden Armada's Motherships. They had no Leviathans otherwise Artanis or Selendis, prior to the invasion, would have mentioned it.
That still doesn't take away from the fact that they're composed of the same material, Neosteel.
And that Battlecruisers have gone down to far less (Mutalisks, Scourge, Spore Cannons, etc.)
Not_Icarus
They take numbers to kill them but they still have the piercing damage to be a threat for them. Swann directly states that a squad of Wraiths can easily take down a Battlecruiser with their missiles. Vikings and Scouts also have anti matter missiles for weapons as extra justification of why they're capable of punching through capital ship armor.
It's unknown how long that Mothership was fighting and how much tbf. Plus Mutalisks aren't unknown for taking down large capital ships before. They took down a BC in the first Char cinematic. And in the Carrier short story, it's explained the Zerg can implant favored memories and tactics into their armies as a Mutalisk can immediately know how to infiltrate and destroy ships like carriers. A squad of mutalisks infiltrated the insides of the Ganthrithor and caused heavy damage to it.
You can make an argument for them being the densest grade of neosteel I suppose. In The Keep, Nova blew up a wall made of the hardest metal known to man with a Terran made phase disruptor (even dragoons use that weaponry). Spore cannons aren't weak btw. They're the Zerg's go to anti capital ship defensive cannons and Scourges have been menaces since the first beginning. These guys causes shockwaves enough to knock away everything in their vicinity (anything close enough gets killed).
It's unknown how long that Mothership was fighting and how much tbf. Plus Mutalisks aren't unknown for taking down large capital ships before. They took down a BC in the first Char cinematic. And in the Carrier short story, it's explained the Zerg can implant favored memories and tactics into their armies as a Mutalisk can immediately know how to infiltrate and destroy ships like carriers. A squad of mutalisks infiltrated the insides of the Ganthrithor and caused heavy damage to it.
You can make an argument for them being the densest grade of neosteel I suppose. In The Keep, Nova blew up a wall made of the hardest metal known to man with a Terran made phase disruptor (even dragoons use that weaponry). Spore cannons aren't weak btw. They're the Zerg's go to anti capital ship defensive cannons and Scourges have been menaces since the first beginning. These guys causes shockwaves enough to knock away everything in their vicinity (anything close enough gets killed).
OneBleachHurricane
And? None of this proves that any of those things scale directly to one another.
Wraiths, Vikings, Mutalisks, and Scouts can do some damage to Capital Ships, but they can also be shot down by Marines in the Lore.
Otherwise known as Glass Cannons, but not even that as in the Lore they do only small amounts of damage to Capital Ships or as you said target weak spots such as the internals, and only after sustaining accumulated damage do the ships get taken down.
In other words, they heavily downscale.
Wraiths, Vikings, Mutalisks, and Scouts can do some damage to Capital Ships, but they can also be shot down by Marines in the Lore.
Otherwise known as Glass Cannons, but not even that as in the Lore they do only small amounts of damage to Capital Ships or as you said target weak spots such as the internals, and only after sustaining accumulated damage do the ships get taken down.
In other words, they heavily downscale.
Not_Icarus
Vikings and Wraiths definitely don't have the durability of a battlercruiser. They're glass cannons and have a closer durability to the tier 8 class.
They don't fully scale to capital ships but just enough to downscale.
They don't fully scale to capital ships but just enough to downscale.
Not_Icarus
And oh yeah I just realized something, Nova outscales apocalypse class nukes at her full power attack so that's neat to know.
OneBleachHurricane
Battlecruisers being Tier 7 is more consistent due to their Yamato Cannons Low Yield Nuclear Explosion Statement,. being in line with 10 Kiloton Tactical Nuclear Missiles, and Nova being stated to destroy anything within a 4 Block Radius.
Immortals are able to handle Hybrid because of their Phase Disruptors Hardened Shields
Basically a lot of Protoss Weapons use Antimatter
Immortals are able to handle Hybrid because of their Phase Disruptors Hardened Shields
Basically a lot of Protoss Weapons use Antimatter
OneBleachHurricane
She doesn't though? She only confirmed to be able to destroy anything within a 4 Block Radius as stated by her fellow Ghosts to which she doesn't refute
Not_Icarus
The nukes used were apocalypse class nukes on the comic are apocalypse class nukes. She's portrayed to be on par with them there despite her range. I don't mind BCs and stuff being both tier 7 and 6.
Also while Immortals are cracked with their duraneg and ap, they're glass cannons with special shielding that only works for a limited amount of time. Plus it's unfair for other races to not be capable of killing hybrid themselves too with their own units. So it makes more sense from a scaling standpoint for Immortals and the other heavies to scale to hybrids in ap (only things like Thors can get their durability scale with their ap too).
Also while Immortals are cracked with their duraneg and ap, they're glass cannons with special shielding that only works for a limited amount of time. Plus it's unfair for other races to not be capable of killing hybrid themselves too with their own units. So it makes more sense from a scaling standpoint for Immortals and the other heavies to scale to hybrids in ap (only things like Thors can get their durability scale with their ap too).
Not_Icarus
And fine she'll stick to lower end tier 6.
OneBleachHurricane
She isn't, she could only destroy one hatchery and the surrounding structures after a prolonged channeling time leaving behind a shallow crater.
The 3 Apocalypse Nukes destroyed an entire area with three hatcheries leaving behind a deep fissure.
She isn't, she could only destroy one hatchery and the surrounding structures after a prolonged channeling time leaving behind a shallow crater.
The 3 Apocalypse Nukes destroyed an entire area with three hatcheries leaving behind a deep fissure.
Not_Icarus
Fair. But she gets to keep the 6-C key for being above Spectres and their Psionic Lash ability and destroying an entire hatchery by herself.
Plus her heavy tier equipment like super shield and plasma rifle (plasma weaponry is normally seen mounted on heavy artillery like Battlecruisers).
Plus her heavy tier equipment like super shield and plasma rifle (plasma weaponry is normally seen mounted on heavy artillery like Battlecruisers).
OneBleachHurricane
We're literally shown a badly damaged Thor that was either pushed or tossed into a building either by a Reaver or Destroyer, and a bunch of destroyed tanks in the following Cinematic. Implying that the strongest ground forces the Dominion had were no match for the Hybrid
Not_Icarus
That's like one Thor doodad in the background. The dominion were already fighting hybrid before the Protoss came and they were hunted during after the end war too. Kerrigan fought hybrid for days both by herself and with the help of her swarm. Plus in the novel Flashpoint, a hybrid on the level of reaver and destroyers got killed by a modified dropship outfitted with some cannons, the cannons weren't anything very special even.
OneBleachHurricane
Just because Plasma weaponry are used on Capital Ships doesn't mean that all Plasma weaponry are comparable in yield or output.
Why would they scale to 6-C? That comes from Leviathan scaling
This is the same thing you said about me trying to scale the Nukes. Association Fallacy.
Just because Plasma weaponry are used on Capital Ships doesn't mean that all Plasma weaponry are comparable in yield or output.
Not_Icarus
Because I'm basing a lot of the scaling off hybrids for simplicity and straightforwardness. They're killable by conventional weaponry of all 3 factions.
OneBleachHurricane
Because you want to scale various weapons and vehicles to hybrid and therefore Kerrigan.
Either keep the High Tier Scaling separate and consistent with the Hero Characters and special weapons, or remove the High 6-A scaling to make it all consistent
This is making it seem more and more that Kerrigan's storm feat is becoming outlier territory.
Because you want to scale various weapons and vehicles to hybrid and therefore Kerrigan.
Either keep the High Tier Scaling separate and consistent with the Hero Characters and special weapons, or remove the High 6-A scaling to make it all consistent
OneBleachHurricane
Is this based on gameplay?
Not_Icarus
Capital ships not scaling to Kerrigan and hybrids at least on some level don't make sense. Both Kerrigan and Hybrid are still killable by mass fire from heavy weapons. Plus the whole tier 7 stuff like 10 kiloton thing is just 1 statement and also around the same quantity as tier 6 calcs and feats. It's why I don't mind having both tiers for the heavy tier characters.
Besides Kerrigan's feat is very explicit and actually consistent even. She is not first to do a storm on large portions of a planet. The Twilight Archon from StarCraft Frontline did it too, plus the old nerazim tribes from the Queen of Blades novel are also stated to nearly destroy Aiur from planet spanning psionic storms.
Besides Kerrigan's feat is very explicit and actually consistent even. She is not first to do a storm on large portions of a planet. The Twilight Archon from StarCraft Frontline did it too, plus the old nerazim tribes from the Queen of Blades novel are also stated to nearly destroy Aiur from planet spanning psionic storms.