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characters such as Ishikki, full power Jigen, no limiter Code, Daemon and Eida should all be upgraded to 5a via a 10x multiplier from Kashin koji vs Jigen fight.
Kashin koji is rated currently on the wiki as 5b for being comparable to delta. he was also confident on taking her on here
Amado then states that Jigen is at less than 10% power as koji is about to fight him. Jigen is then able to keep up and fight Kasin koji so meaning a fully powered Jigen should scale 10x above the current 5b value. This should apply for the rest of the people I listed above.
Alright it was brought to my attention that this particular multiplier was removed before in this thread and while I don't think it relates to my thread, I will still proceed to tackle the points so as to prevent people from constantly referring to it. The op went over 3 points and i will address them one by each.
POINT 1: PERCENTAGE MIS-INTERPRETATION
The op as refuting the claim that jigen as at 10% power when he fought naruto and sasuke as he only came to that state after loosing chakra from fighting the duo. i somehat agree with that but i will also like to point out that he as actually close to zero% and not 10 after fighting them. But this first point would only have been relevant if i was trying to scale jigen to naruto and sasuke whichI am not. 10% jigen here is independent of naruto and sasuke. He has his on feats for being able to fight and keep up with a base koji who is rated as 5B. A full powered jigen is so much more powerful than the duo to the point where he is much higher than MAS which is more than the sum of both their powers so this does not contradict any scaling.
POINT 2: INCONSISTENCY IN THE CHRONOLOGICAL INTERPRETATION OF THE UPGRADE:
The op goes on to explain that kaguya would be a contradiction to this as how was she able to hurt someone 10x more powerful than her. Most of the explanation was on speed but also power but there is one great flaw in this argument. It is the fact that we were given no context of what went down asides from "caught off guard". I find it ridiculous that this point was even taken into account in the downgrade. It is commonly accepted in fiction that off guard feats do not hold weight especially with no battle context. No one is going to approve an upgrade based off an off guard feat so why should one be downgraded because of one? I find this more puzzling as the naruto verse has consistently shown that chakra is used for all stats so when they are off guard their speed and durability is lowered a lot. Examples include : kakashi in the novels and black zetsu being able to hurt madara severely despite madara outscalling him in durability and speed. What we know is that kaguya and ishikki came together as partners. There was no reason for ishikki to be suspecting her and no reason for her to betray him well atleast to his knowledge. They also came to a planet with people thousands if not millions of times weaker than them. Absolutely no reason for his guard to be up all the time.
I'M GOING TO SKIP THE LAST POINT AS I HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT IN THE FIRST POINT. ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY JIGEN AS AT 10% FIGHTING THE DUO. I AM SIMPLY SAYING 10% JIGEN~KOJI~DELTA~NARUTO.
I'M ALSO NOT ARGUING FOR SPEED COZ IT IS MUCH MORE CONTENTIOUS. SO PLEASE NO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
EDIT: i was told koji scales to likely 5B so it would be likely 5A if it goes through
Kashin koji is rated currently on the wiki as 5b for being comparable to delta. he was also confident on taking her on here
Amado then states that Jigen is at less than 10% power as koji is about to fight him. Jigen is then able to keep up and fight Kasin koji so meaning a fully powered Jigen should scale 10x above the current 5b value. This should apply for the rest of the people I listed above.
Alright it was brought to my attention that this particular multiplier was removed before in this thread and while I don't think it relates to my thread, I will still proceed to tackle the points so as to prevent people from constantly referring to it. The op went over 3 points and i will address them one by each.
POINT 1: PERCENTAGE MIS-INTERPRETATION
The op as refuting the claim that jigen as at 10% power when he fought naruto and sasuke as he only came to that state after loosing chakra from fighting the duo. i somehat agree with that but i will also like to point out that he as actually close to zero% and not 10 after fighting them. But this first point would only have been relevant if i was trying to scale jigen to naruto and sasuke whichI am not. 10% jigen here is independent of naruto and sasuke. He has his on feats for being able to fight and keep up with a base koji who is rated as 5B. A full powered jigen is so much more powerful than the duo to the point where he is much higher than MAS which is more than the sum of both their powers so this does not contradict any scaling.
POINT 2: INCONSISTENCY IN THE CHRONOLOGICAL INTERPRETATION OF THE UPGRADE:
The op goes on to explain that kaguya would be a contradiction to this as how was she able to hurt someone 10x more powerful than her. Most of the explanation was on speed but also power but there is one great flaw in this argument. It is the fact that we were given no context of what went down asides from "caught off guard". I find it ridiculous that this point was even taken into account in the downgrade. It is commonly accepted in fiction that off guard feats do not hold weight especially with no battle context. No one is going to approve an upgrade based off an off guard feat so why should one be downgraded because of one? I find this more puzzling as the naruto verse has consistently shown that chakra is used for all stats so when they are off guard their speed and durability is lowered a lot. Examples include : kakashi in the novels and black zetsu being able to hurt madara severely despite madara outscalling him in durability and speed. What we know is that kaguya and ishikki came together as partners. There was no reason for ishikki to be suspecting her and no reason for her to betray him well atleast to his knowledge. They also came to a planet with people thousands if not millions of times weaker than them. Absolutely no reason for his guard to be up all the time.
I'M GOING TO SKIP THE LAST POINT AS I HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT IN THE FIRST POINT. ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY JIGEN AS AT 10% FIGHTING THE DUO. I AM SIMPLY SAYING 10% JIGEN~KOJI~DELTA~NARUTO.
I'M ALSO NOT ARGUING FOR SPEED COZ IT IS MUCH MORE CONTENTIOUS. SO PLEASE NO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
EDIT: i was told koji scales to likely 5B so it would be likely 5A if it goes through
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