9-B Archers

[Truth_Bullets]

Archer Fujino Asagami VS The Archer from Towerfall.

Speed equalized.

The Archer has no variants, so no Passive Time Slow or Mid-Godly Regen.

Agent of the Counter Force:

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[Bob8999]

fujino has clairvoyance, dura neg, type 9 immortality, forcefeilds, soul manip, regen, and is invisibile + towerfalll only has 9-C dura, the servent takes this with relative ease.

 

[Truth_Bullets]

Clairvoyance won't defend against AOE attacks, like the magma orbs that the Archer can use.

Durability negation is unimportant, because the Archer is unphased by attacks from ghosts, which is practically a greater form of durability negation. While durability negation negates the durability to harm the physical body, the Archer is unaffected by attacks even to the soul. Fujino would have to have bypassing soul manip or really good dura negation.

Archer can BFR Fujino to incap her physical body. This isn't killing it, so she can't be redeployed.

Archer simply destroys the forcefield, and if they can't do that, they can just BFR again.

Archer resists soul manip.

Archer can easily see invisible beings lol, they view and fight ghosts all the time.

Plus, Towerfall has 9-B+ durability with forcefields

 

[Bob8999]

Clairvoyance won't defend against AOE attacks, like the magma orbs that the Archer can use.

but it can help her dodge them.

Durability negation is unimportant, because the Archer is unphased by attacks from ghosts, which is practically a greater form of durability negation. While durability negation negates the durability to harm the physical body, the Archer is unaffected by attacks even to the soul. Fujino would have to have bypassing soul manip or really good dura negation.

that would be resistance to soul manip not dura neg. (they are two diffrent things just because you have one does not mean you have the other.)

Archer can BFR Fujino to incap her physical body. This isn't killing it, so she can't be redeployed.

how would he incap her? cant she just dodge or catch the prism arrows?

Archer simply destroys the forcefield, and if they can't do that, they can just BFR again.

even if he destroys them they'll buy her time, keep her from getting actually injured.

Archer resists soul manip.

he resists being attacked by ghosts not haveing his soul ripped out and converted to energy.

Archer can easily see invisible beings lol, they view and fight ghosts all the time.

who says those ghosts are invisible?

Plus, Towerfall has 9-B+ durability with forcefields

not on his profile.

 

[Truth_Bullets]

but it can help her dodge them.

Clearly you misunderstood the AOE attacks statement. TA's magma orbs literally enclose the fighters in a ring of lava that slowly closes in, you can't conventially dodge that.

that would be resistance to soul manip not dura neg. (they are two diffrent things just because you have one does not mean you have the other.)

No, just because they're different hax doesn't mean one can't overlap the other. If you can affect ghosts, that's Non-Corporeal Physiology Negation, but I'm pretty sure if you can affect something without form you can affect something like fire that's intangible. There's a higher level of it.

If you can affect someone's existence, you can therefore affect their entire physical body and so forth.

Interacting with someone's soul, which completely bypasses their physical body, is definitely durability negation. That's even why we have "can bypass durability with ____" on some pages, such as Ixis Naugus' elemental manipulation.

how would he incap her? cant she just dodge or catch the prism arrows?

1. Prove she does that in combat.

2. Read the profile. If you don't catch the arrow, it BFRs you. If you do catch it, it seals you.

even if he destroys them they'll buy her time, keep her from getting actually injured.

This ignores what happens after the shield gets busted.

he resists being attacked by ghosts not haveing his soul ripped out and converted to energy.

Both of that affects the soul. Resistance to Soul Manipulation alone is fine. If someone resists Fire Manipulation, we don't say their resistance gets bypassed just because the attacker does something with fire they've never shown to resist, i.e. fire breath or some shit. It's still a resistance.

who says those ghosts are invisible?

Ghosts in definition literally have no form.

not on his profile.

Yes he does. Again, look at the actual profile and you'll see they can defend themselves with shields. This lets them block attacks from say, super bomb arrows, which is where their Wall+ rating comes from.

Archer still wins.

 

[Bob8999]

but she can dodge the arrow or get out of the AOE and with clairvoyance she see what it does so she knows to dodge it and probably how to dodge it.

soul manip and dura neg are to very diffrent things, just because you can resist soul manip doesnt mean you can resist say a bullet to the head (bullets and pierceing attcks do negate durability to an extent.) or an attack based on the metal plane or a nerve attack or reality manip or something along those lines. (soul manip is like a sub category of dura neg.)

the sealing only lasts for a bit and even while "sealed" she can still attack she just cant move much.

as far as i can tell nothing happens when her sheild gets busted, it just says that she "Unconciously creates them when she fights".

assumeing he can resist something stonger then what he's been shown to resist is nlf. she (as a servent) can pull the souls of multiple people out and convert them to energy, the archer can resist getting hit by a ghost. one is clearly superior to the other.

not all ghosts are invisible and if they havent been shown or stated to be invisible it shouldnt be assumed that they are.

Street level (Archers no-sell being grazed by explosions, and can both no-sell being grazed by Super Bomb Arrows' explosions and Super BomBat explosions, both of which are at a similar magnitude), can defend themselves further with Shields, never says wall level.

you do realise your argueing that your own thread is a stomp right?

 

[Truth_Bullets]

but she can dodge the arrow or get out of the AOE and with clairvoyance she see what it does so she knows to dodge it and probably how to dodge it.

Show any time where she does this in combat.

soul manip and dura neg are to very diffrent things, just because you can resist soul manip doesnt mean you can resist say a bullet to the head (bullets and pierceing attcks do negate durability to an extent.)

Soul Manipulation is a type of Durability Negation. Resisting durability negation though doesn't mean you immediately resist physical attacks. Bullets don't negate durability, they tear through you physically, and if you're stronger than them they don't do shit. That's why durability negation is a superpower, not something we grant everyone with AP.

or an attack based on the metal plane or a nerve attack or reality manip or something along those lines. (soul manip is like a sub category of dura neg.)

Soul Manipulation is a high form of Durability Negation.

I didn't say that the TA would resist any of that, so I don't know why you're bringing it up.

the sealing only lasts for a bit and even while "sealed" she can still attack she just cant move much.

And? Still gives the TA the chance to kill her lol

as far as i can tell nothing happens when her sheild gets busted, it just says that she "Unconciously creates them when she fights".

When I said "This ignores what happens after the shield gets busted." I was saying that after the shield gets busted the TA will **** her up, you didn't even mention that possibility.

assumeing he can resist something stonger then what he's been shown to resist is nlf.

No, a no limits fallacy is when you assume an ability or stat is endless in potential. Saying that he's been shown to resist that same hax is just fine.

she (as a servent) can pull the souls of multiple people out and convert them to energy, the archer can resist getting hit by a ghost. one is clearly superior to the other.

No, they're both on par as Soul Manipulation. Hell, resisting overall destruction is greater than moving or altering its properties, but whatever.

not all ghosts are invisible and if they havent been shown or stated to be invisible it shouldnt be assumed that they are.

Yes they ******* are, they're made of nothing. Not being physical means there's nothing to be seen, just because some characters can see invisible beings in fiction doesn't change the definition of what a ghost is.

never says wall level.

Go down to the notable abilities.

"A shield will surround the player, capable of absorbing one hit of damage"

Given the character's AP you should assume the shield absorbing damage should be on par.

you do realise your argueing that your own thread is a stomp right?

No, I'm arguing that the TA should win. It's not a stomp, it's very close. Just the arguments you're pushing for aren't well-pointed against the TA.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Does he even have enough mystery to effect a Servant?

 

[Truth_Bullets]

What do you mean by that?