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A composite Son Goku profile?

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I wonder if the rest of you think that it would be a good idea to allow a composite Son Goku profile, that scales his statistics and powers from all of his appearances, including the games? It would be a nice gesture towards the fans, and likely keep some of them far less agitated towards us.

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I don't have anything against the idea. He's a well-known character. As long as we're reasonable and don't let it get ridiculous or anything.
 
Wasn't there a game in which Janemba displayed 2-B level power, and Goku scaled from him? Or do I misremember?
 
Janemba was 2-C or something and only with reality warping
 
Well, I personally think that it would be a good idea. The fans are understandably frustrated with us, and it is not really such a big deal if they get a single profile as a gesture of good will.
 
We currently have 11571 profiles. We feature lots of different franchises. Dragon Ball is simply one of the absolutely most prominent and popular, which is the reason for the higher focus, and is still eternally stuck at 3-A. The fans are frustrated about this, and it is not likely to change any time soon. This would be a good way to appease them.
 
I agree with Darkanine. It would just be a 2-C Son Goku profile with more powers and abilities.
 
Well, Son Goku is a very iconic character, and I think that our regulations do allow us to create composite profiles in such cases.
 
Because we never let them escape the eternal chasm of 3-A for the canon profiles, whereas other popular franchises are rated much higher, and we won't as long as no space-time is involved in destroying universes. This would be a very simple way to get them to calm down.
 
No offense to anyone, but I feel like people aren't actually discussing it. Just making condensing remarks and insulting people. We get it, you don't like DB fans, they're not the issue here. The issue is whether or not a composite page for possibly the most iconic anime character of all time should be made.
 
I agree with Darkanine about that the character itself is iconic enough to qualify, and it is not just about appeasing the fans, there really are an awful lot of versions of Goku out there, and this would allow us to incorporate all of them, without lots of separate profiles as we have for Superman and Batman.
 
I think it may come from the fact that another verse, has composite files needlessly as well (will make thread on that soon)

imo composite files should only come from necessity / relevence (we should note that), unlike this goku one. (if another canonicity had goku with a bunch of abilities that were completely different and it becomes an interesting part of the extended universe, then we could talk).
 
Also, we could simply write a footnote in the composite profile about that no other characters should be scaled from it.
 
You know...i didn't say my comment out of hate. Merely just sharing my mutual feelings of the thoughts of what Aizen, KuuIchigo, Grudge, Matthew, and whoever said of against it.

I mean...wow...a composite Goku honestly just isn't that much different other than being just 2-C and whatever abilities he has that's just not gonna be that much different from his canon self.

And i like how the fact we're gonna do this is for "appeasing" people and due to Goku being "iconic"...welp okay yeah, that just sounds really.....meh, and petty of you all.
 
I honestly don't care either way. That wasn't meant to be offensive, but it's true. But there is one thing. I recently found out the only reason we accept Solar System Cell is to get people to shut up (found that out from Azzy himself). Catering to DB fanboys is not cool, and we appease them enough as it is. On the flip side, if we got used to it once, we can get used to it again. Not to mention that the character would simply get stomped by all 2-Cs except for Zeno (ironically), SB Janemba (through "canon") and the Three Golden Goddesses (due to speed. get's stomped otherwise), and would simply just be there as a figurehead, for lack of a better word. And I'd love to close Goku vs Arceus/Hades/Lucemon/White Face matches. On the other, other hand, we'd be going on a slippery slope, and I'm certain myself as I was about to ask for a composite Superman profile for fairness if this goes through, but stopped myself. And unlike other composited characters, like Link, some Pokemon, or a good portion of Digimon, he's the exact same character throughout all continuities, going through classic Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and some of Dragon Ball Super with minor events changed. We've deleted a handful of profiles that were just one different Goku (see the deleted Goku XV page that simply had him at 3-A when we had him at 3-B+).

All in all, DB fans shouldn't be unhappy with us, and I could easily go both ways with this. I understand both points. It'll do no real harm, being one of over ten thousand, but it'll make us look like we caved in to fanboyism. I'd give this more thought, but I currently have a more important task at hand that'll probably keep me up all night. Sorry if I bothered anyone.

Also, I don't know what his tier would be. SB Janemba is a potential glass cannon. He's be at least Low 2-C (Goku, I mean), due to XV.
 
Actually, can we make this thread into a "Composite Page Requirements" sort of thing?

Mainly because, assuming we don't let Goku gain a composite profiles for the above reasons, most of the legionaries in Gen 1, 2, 6 and Arceus would also have to be changed to regular profiles. (With a few exceptions, but that is besides the topic.) Also pretty sure some real life profiles would be affected by this (ie the composite animals.)
 
Well, I think that people seem to be making too much of a deal about this, due to distaste for some of the fans.

It is just a single page for an extremely iconic character, that would incorporate several different incarnations into a single page, without having to create a lot of different profiles, as we have allowed for Superman, who we have favoured a lot more than Goku in this regard.

Our regulations also allow this, as far as I am aware: Alternative Canon and Composite Profiles
 
"I recently found out the only reason we accept Solar System Cell is to get people to shut up (found that out from Azzy himself)."

Wait, what? Context?
 
It is makes us look more biased to DB then before.

Imagine people seeing 2-C Goku and Beerus at 3-A. Whis at 3-A. Daishinkan at 3-A. We are going to look like inaccurate fools to visitors. We are just setting ourselves up for totally unnecessary work and disaster accepting this.
 
I think the very consideration that making a composite Goku over appeasing to someone or a group is just so submissive and dare I say In a way unprofessional.

We as a staff and as a whole have always adamantly told users here we do not care what others can say about our site or the rank we put our characters in compared to other prominent sites because we do our own thing.

To me agreeing with this is no different than that as we are just catering to the masses or rather the angry minority.
 
Cell was placed at 4-B due to several guidebook statements confirming it, and that it fit with the scaling of other characters, as far as I am aware.
 
Anyway, given the backlash from the staff and retired staff members, I suppose that we have to scrap this idea.
 
Antvasima said:
Dragon Ball is simply one of the absolutely most prominent and popular, which is the reason for the higher focus, and is still eternally stuck at 3-A. The fans are frustrated about this, and it is not likely to change any time soon. This would be a good way to appease them.
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So the fans are frustrated at us because the main canon has left Goku at 3-A? Do you see the issue here?

Why would we even attempt to fix this "problem" by merging canon and non-canon when it is absolutely not necessary? I mean if a bunch of angry fans is enough to make us change statistics for Goku, this opens a door for many other problems.

There are a lot of angry fans at us that we don't accept Madara's Lighting Fang as lightspeed, yet we don't do anything about that. There are a lot of angry fans at us for leaving Saitama where he is and not Omnipotent. These are all baseless claims and to cater to those is not only illogical, but it's downright showing bias.

I see no reasons to merge Goku's canon and non-canon appearances only to boost his stats. If he had a ton of different abilities in the non-canon media, maybe this could be more of a valid topic to discuss.
 
Well, I just thought that it would be a nice gesture, be more consistent with our treatment of other very iconic characters such as Superman, and save us time by compressing several profiles into one, but I suppose that you have a point that it might send the wrong message and be confusing to visitors.
 
@Ant

Don't get me wrong, I see your point of view. The reason I'm against it is because it's only a vocal minority that is unhappy about this. Catering to vocal minorities has always led to problems in the long run.

And besides, say we did merge them and upgrade his stats, then what? These fans that required this are mainly people that care only about VS threads. But the new Goku would still get stomped by everyone in his new tier for lack of hax...again. It doesn't really change things for these fans anyway, at most boost their ego.
 
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