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A CRT For The OG Solid Snake

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Snake Plissken’s Profile is heavily outdated. But before anything, let’s clear some things up.

Canonicity:

Escape From New York is obviously canon and so is Escape From L.A

The Escape From New York comics (2014 - 2016) by Boom Studios takes place right after the first film and ends right before the second one.
It has the approval of John Carpenter, he even guided the team a little bit. And it's also worth mentioning that Carpenter himself has worked on Boom Studios, writing a comic book sequel for Big Trouble In Little China. So it is canon. It’s also the most recent form of media of Escape From NY/LA.

John Carpenter's Snake Plissken Chronicles (2003) is hard to say if it's canon, it was also approved by Carpenter, and it seems to also takes place after the first film, but it doesn’t really fit in the most recent timeline, and was a part of uncompleted multimedia project, so therefore I'll not use it.

The Adventures of Snake Plissken (1997) is yet another comic book, but it's contradicted by the Boom Studios one. So I believe it is non canon.

Escape From New York Novel a retelling of the first movie, but goes more in depth on Snake's past. Semi-canon.

Now with this in mind, Snake's profile needs an update. Snake needs to have:

Powers and Abilities:

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Martial Arts (Is shown to be a capable fighter. Was able to beat several Special Forces soldiers bare handed), Vehicular Mastery (Skilled in piloting any kind of vehicle. Land vehicles such as cars and motorcycles, Air vehicles such as gliders and helicopters, and Seaborne vehicles like submarines and boats.), Weapon Mastery (Is said to be lethal with a weapon. Was a professional gunfighter for some time. Can easily kill multiple armed enemies in a shootout.), Stealth Mastery (Snake commanded a search and destroy squad with the best record in the entire Russian campaign. He was able to sneak into a Russian secret weapons facility without alerting anyone. Was able to appear behind a guy following him before the guy could notice.), Superhuman Precision (Was easily able to make a full-court shot in a basketball challenge no one was able to complete. Was capable of shooting the cables of a telephone tower to take down a helicopter while driving. While in the dark he was able to cut the ropes of swinging hammers using shurikens. Managed to shoot down the barrel of an APC's mounted gun, causing it to explode. Threw a sword at an RPG rocket the very moment a soldier shot it.), Acrobatics (Was able to easily jump from his car to a helicopter. Was able to jump from a tsunami into a moving car. Can jump from great heights without injuring himself), Enhanced Awareness (Shot a guy preparing to throw a knife on him, before he could do it, despite not even looking at him. Was able to sense a crocodile ready to attack him), Preparation (Rigged a camp with a bunch of traps to kill invading soldiers), Resistance to Cold Temperatures (Was able to swim the cold sea of Siberia for quite some time, with few clothes, and didn’t had any side effect)

With Optional Equipment:

Explosion Manipulation (With Grenades), Flight (Via Helicopters), Ilusion Creation (With the Holocam, Snake can project his image up to a half-mile away), Deconstruction (With Anton Bulgarov’s gloves, Snake can vaporize matter. Vaporized Hauk’s head.), Energy Projection (Via Energy Gun), Light Manipulation (Via Flash Grenades), Status Effect Inducement (With his mouth dart, Snake can stun his enemy for several seconds), Resistance to Fire and Enhanced Senses (With his stealth clothing)

Attack Potency: Wall level (Was able to kill an alligator with a kick. Cracked a car windshield with a simple knife throw. Can hurt those who can harm him.)

Speed: Athletic Human with Subsonic reactions (Reacted to a crossbow shot. Ducked gunshots. Was able to evade gunfire from a team of SWAT officers.)

Lifting Strength: At least Class 1 possibly Class 5 (Was able to hold and stop the Shark 3 from sliding off of a platform before the platform collapsed under the sub's own weight. The Shark 3 should be similar to the Welman submarine in both size and weight, Both are military one-man midget submarines “submersibles” used by SF operators. The Welman weighs 1140 kg with his warhead, And the Shark 3 should be even more heavy since it’s nuclear powered, and even lightweight nuclear reactors like The SNAP-10A weighs around 440 kg. Was able to crush a soldier’s neck with his grip. Can easily snap necks.)

Striking Strength: Wall level

Durability: Wall level (Was able to withstand attacks from an Armored Hauk, who was able to break down a steel door with his blows. Survived a close range explosion that destroyed the house he was in, and killed everyone inside of it.)

Stamina: Superhuman (In his rescue mission in New York Snake flew the Gullfire glider into the penitentiary, making a dangerous and rough landing on top of the World Trade Center. He took the elevator down and reached the streets. He continued alone, fended off hostile prisoners, and was pursued by a group of crazies right after and after some time running from them, Snake managed to commandeer a vehicle and escaped. After a treacherous run down Broadway, where roving gangs attack any vehicle that dares to drive there, he stopped in a train yard. Snake sneaked in and found the President, he killed 2 guards, but one of them was able to shoot an arrow in his knee before dying, and just moments after, he was ambushed and captured by the Duke's men and was knocked out by the Duke. Shortly after waking up, Snake was forced to fight to the death with "Slag", ultimately managing to kill him. Snake then runned back to the World Trade Center, but the Duke was waiting for him at the bottom floor, Snake was able to escape with the President, and the Duke began chasing them. Snake drove a cab to the 69th Street bridge, and managed to evade several mines until accidentally hitting one, splitting the cab in half, and so they continued on foot. Upon reaching the containment wall, the President is sent over as the Duke reaches Snake and attacks him. Snake fought and subdued the Duke and began his ascent over the wall, but the President stopped the lift to shoot the Duke to death. He then allowed Snake to continue over the wall. Just minutes after accomplishing his mission, Snake was pursued by the USPF. While still in their HQ, he stole a Jeep from one of the guards and then proceeded to take over a helicopter, which crashed in a forest just few moments later, Snake hid in the forest and killed one of the soldiers looking for him, and then he escaped the forest and hitched a ride on a highway. All this in about 24 hours, with little to no breaks.)

Range: Tens of Meters with his Smith & Wesson Model 629 revolvers and Mac-10, Hundreds of Meters with weapons like Ruger AC556

Standard Equipment: His twin Smith & Wesson Model 629 revolvers, A Mac-10 submachine gun.

Optional Equipment:

Intelligence: Gifted (Snake can speak other languages like russian. He's a very good strategist, he commanded a very successful search and destroy squad in the war. He is a very good quick thinker. Snake was able to outsmart the U.S Government, switching a device that can shutdown countries electricity, in anger, the President ordered Snake to be executed, but Snake had activated his hologram projector and the Snake that got shot was an illusion. Snake then activated the device, entering the world code, code that he learned and memorized during the mission, against pleas to stop. All over the world, the satellites activated their EMP weapons at the world, and shot down every electrical device, turning the world back into the Dark Ages.)

Weakness: Sometimes underestimate his opponents which makes him susceptible to capture.

Oh and I think this might be a better profile picture.
 
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This is definitely better than the original profile. Everything seems fine, but where does the 9-B classification come from?
 
This is amazingly researched you put a lot of effort and passion into this. Just don't forget about references but you should be good
 
The revision's quite good, well done!
I agree with everything, but a few things.

  • The first clip used for Martial Arts would fit better under Weapon Mastery, imo, since Snake and the guy are fighting with baseball bats and a shield.
  • I'm not too convinced by the LS. The feat's definitely superhuman, but holding something like that definitely doesn't equate to withstanding its entire weight with your muscles alone, so Class 5 to me is out of the picture for sure. I would personally keep the feat at Superhuman, maybe "Possibly Class 1''' to be generous.
  • I'm not too convinced by the speed feats either, as they look a lot like Aim Dodging. The first scene is weird, the crossbow seems to miss him entirely while Snake stands perfectly still. In the second scene, Snake is looking at the man shooting at him, meaning he has a rough idea of the trajectory, and the first volley of bullets is still shot above his head and at some distance from him. The third one seems to fall in a similar scenario, Snake seems to notice the laser pointer of the guns and thus may be moving away before the bullets are actually shot. I may see a "peak human" reactions, mostly for the comic scan, but Subsonic is definitely too high.
  • I'm a party pooper and picky, but AP and Dura could use some extra scrutiny as well. Hauk is definitely portrayed as stronger than Snake, who has to actively dodge all of his blows and the one actually landing makes him bleed profusely. Hauk himself wouldn't be as high in 9-B anyway, considering he took at least two hits to take the door down (it'd still be 9-B). In turn, the Big Lady was portrayed as stronger than Snake and he required a weapon to knock her out (allegedly, I don't know what happens in the next panel), meaning the blow doesn't scale to his innate physical strength. I see him being more within the boundaries of street level, although it's difficult to judge where specificaly.
 
The revision's quite good, well done!
I agree with everything, but a few things.

  • The first clip used for Martial Arts would fit better under Weapon Mastery, imo, since Snake and the guy are fighting with baseball bats and a shield.
  • I'm not too convinced by the LS. The feat's definitely superhuman, but holding something like that definitely doesn't equate to withstanding its entire weight with your muscles alone, so Class 5 to me is out of the picture for sure. I would personally keep the feat at Superhuman, maybe "Possibly Class 1''' to be generous.
  • I'm not too convinced by the speed feats either, as they look a lot like Aim Dodging. The first scene is weird, the crossbow seems to miss him entirely while Snake stands perfectly still. In the second scene, Snake is looking at the man shooting at him, meaning he has a rough idea of the trajectory, and the first volley of bullets is still shot above his head and at some distance from him. The third one seems to fall in a similar scenario, Snake seems to notice the laser pointer of the guns and thus may be moving away before the bullets are actually shot. I may see a "peak human" reactions, mostly for the comic scan, but Subsonic is definitely too high.
  • I'm a party pooper and picky, but AP and Dura could use some extra scrutiny as well. Hauk is definitely portrayed as stronger than Snake, who has to actively dodge all of his blows and the one actually landing makes him bleed profusely. Hauk himself wouldn't be as high in 9-B anyway, considering he took at least two hits to take the door down (it'd still be 9-B). In turn, the Big Lady was portrayed as stronger than Snake and he required a weapon to knock her out (allegedly, I don't know what happens in the next panel), meaning the blow doesn't scale to his innate physical strength. I see him being more within the boundaries of street level, although it's difficult to judge where specificaly.
Thanks alot!

  • Yeah you're right.
  • Class 1 is a given, he can crush human's necks pretty easily, and alot of characters have it for the very same reason, and i know that the submarine feats is more contentious, that's why i put "possibly" Class 5 but i doubt that any powerlifter on earth could prevent a ton and a half object from falling off a ledge with one arm. Still since it's weigth is a estimation, what about "Class 1, possibly higher"?
  • Well Snake is already Subsonic in this wiki, I'm just giving more feats. In the first scene Snake is moving at the same time the arrow is coming towards him, you can see it, if you watch frame by frame. He was fast enough to evade semi automatic rifles, and get into cover before of the SWAT officers could land a shot on him. Also while driving the Hellfire (a car/plane hybrid) he was able to dodge incoming jet missles. Subsonic is fine for him.
  • It made Snake bleed not because of the impact, but because his Armor is covered in spikes, Snake was able to casually block one of his punches earlier. Also the house explosion feat, should easily be be wall level. The strong lady is portrayed as marginally stronger thanSnake not gonna lie, But i only used her as an example that he can fight those who can harm him. But I can use someone who is comparable to him if that's the case, someone like Cuervo Jones.
Thanks for the imput
 
he first scene is weird, the crossbow seems to miss him entirely while Snake stands perfectly still. In the second scene, Snake is looking at the man shooting at him, meaning he has a rough idea of the trajectory, and the first volley of bullets is still shot above his head and at some distance from him. The third one seems to fall in a similar scenario, Snake seems to notice the laser pointer of the guns and thus may be moving away before the bullets are actually shot. I may see a "peak human" reactions, mostly for the comic scan, but Subsonic is definitely too high.
I watched frame by frame for both videos. The crossbow missed entirely before he even made a motion and in the second one there were six missed gunshots before he even moved his head. The first two are non-feats and the last one is probably just aim-dogging. Athletic Human would fit better imo.
 
I watched frame by frame for both videos. The crossbow missed entirely before he even made a motion and in the second one there were six missed gunshots before he even moved his head. The first two are non-feats and the last one is probably just aim-dogging. Athletic Human would fit better imo.

Well, i've seen him moving his hand as the arrow was coming, you right about the other one tho. However the 2 comic feats are stil valid
 
IRL pilots have successfully avoided missiles before. You don't require supersonic reactions while piloting an aircraft to avoid weapons from an aircraft. The gunmen shooting him also doesn't have the evidence for subsonic when aim-dodging is perfectly valid.

I don't believe he is supersonic, just subsonic, pilots avoided missile using proper aircraft, Snake is piloting a makeshift one. And how fast is the reaction speed of a jet pilot? He evaded as he was being shot by a SWAT team
 
Snake is piloting a makeshift one.
Snake is using a plane that can keep up with normal planes, so the comparison doesn't work here based on your own evidence.
And how fast is the reaction speed of a jet pilot?
The most you're getting is Athletic Human in non-lab conditions.
e evaded as he was being shot by a SWAT team
You do not need to be peak human or subsonic to achieve that feat. Just being fast enough to throw off their aim is good enough.
 
Snake is using a plane that can keep up with normal planes, so the comparison doesn't work here based on your own evidence.
Makes sense

You do not need to be peak human or subsonic to achieve that feat. Just being fast enough to throw off their aim is good enough
I think it has to be at least peak human, i don't believe a simple athletic human would capable to throw of the aim of several trained SWAT officers carrying assault rifles.

Also travel wise Snake was able to outrun a tank, and was able to caught a speeding car on foot. So since subsonic is not agreed upon, i believe Superhuman is the more safe yet fair option for a guy like him.
 
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Class 1 is a given, he can crush human's necks pretty easily, and alot of characters have it for the very same reason, and i know that the submarine feats is more contentious, that's why i put "possibly" Class 5 but i doubt that any powerlifter on earth could prevent a ton and a half object from falling off a ledge with one arm. Still since it's weigth is a estimation, what about "Class 1, possibly higher"?
Crushing necks has always been a weird and debatable feat, that falls undoubtedly in superhuman levels if done very casually, like with just a hand, rather than leverage, weight etc...
In the both scans Snake may also very well be choking the soldiers to death or uncosciousness (the second), rather than properly crushing their neck.
Also, Superhuman isn't meant as a downgrade and it's oftenly very well within or above Class 1 or more, and by its own definition it surpasses everything a real man would be able to do, so the comparison with irl pwoerlifter doesn't really stand.
Superhuman is a placeholder that answers dubious questions like these, the feat cannot be calced nor properly judged, like in this case. Someone much knowledgeable than me in calcs, maths and physics would probably give a better answer, but here we really cannot say with utmost certainty where this feat falls into, Class 5 is quite unlikely anyway.

Well Snake is already Subsonic in this wiki, I'm just giving more feats. In the first scene Snake is moving at the same time the arrow is coming towards him, you can see it, if you watch frame by frame. He was fast enough to evade semi automatic rifles, and get into cover before of the SWAT officers could land a shot on him. Also while driving the Hellfire (a car/plane hybrid) he was able to dodge incoming jet missles. Subsonic is fine for him.
Him bein already subsonic doesn't make it correct tbh. For the rest,I agree with Qawsedf.


  • It made Snake bleed not because of the impact, but because his Armor is covered in spikes, Snake was able to casually block one of his punches earlier. Also the house explosion feat, should easily be be wall level. The strong lady is portrayed as marginally stronger thanSnake not gonna lie, But i only used her as an example that he can fight those who can harm him. But I can use someone who is comparable to him if that's the case, someone like Cuervo Jones.
I mean, spikes still work through force, they don't just puncture anyone in any given instance.
At most, it still works against Snake's case, because he's still defending against something with increased force due to surface area, making it even more duvious to whether he actually scales to Hauk or not.
Narraticely speaking, Snake dodged every blow and the only one he blocked still injured him in considerable manner. Just because his arm didn't get hacked off instantly, it doesn't mean he's as strong as that brute.
The other scan leaves me perplexed as well, he indeed blocked the punch casually, but it was a casual punch as well, they were still talking during this instance, after all, and the 9-B feat performed by Hauk was through much more violent and numerous punches.

The explosion feat might be 9-B, but a calc would be required to ultimaley confirm it, accounting for Snake's surface area and the fact he was visibly shielded by a table that was still intact in the aftermath of the explosion.

Thanks for the imput
You're welcome.

I think it has to be at least peak human, i don't believe a simple athletic human would capable to throw of the aim of several trained SWAT officers carrying assault rifles
That is guesswork at best, Snake saw the laser pointers, so he noticed gunshots were coming in, it's a super common instance in action fiction. The very scene tells us thay, showing numerous pointers even next to the door, in Snake's sight.

.Also travel wise Snake was able to outrun a tank, and was able to caught a speeding car on foot. So since subsonic is not agreed upon, i believe Superhuman is the more safe yet fair option for a guy like him.
The tank scene could very well fall into athletic to peak human, considering Snake had quite the headstart and the tank had barely began to move, since it was still in the panel prior and had just mowed down a barricade in the one where Snake is already running.
The speeding car feat could definiteyl be superhuman, but the fact he shot a wheel kinda throws me off.
 
Crushing necks has always been a weird and debatable feat, that falls undoubtedly in superhuman levels if done very casually, like with just a hand, rather than leverage, weight etc...
In the both scans Snake may also very well be choking the soldiers to death or uncosciousness (the second), rather than properly crushing their neck.
Also, Superhuman isn't meant as a downgrade and it's oftenly very well within or above Class 1 or more, and by its own definition it surpasses everything a real man would be able to do, so the comparison with irl pwoerlifter doesn't really stand.
Superhuman is a placeholder that answers dubious questions like these, the feat cannot be calced nor properly judged, like in this case. Someone much knowledgeable than me in calcs, maths and physics would probably give a better answer, but here we really cannot say with utmost certainty where this feat falls into, Class 5 is quite unlikely anyway.
I get what you're saying, and I don't mind him being Superhuman, but i just wanna clarify some things in the second neck breaking feat, he is not chocking the guard, he very easily broke the guy's neck you can even hear a "crack" sound, and it was very fast to be a choke. Also Snake holding a nearly 2 ton submarine from falling should be at least be in the Class 1 range, but i'm fine with Superhuman.

I mean, spikes still work through force, they don't just puncture anyone in any given instance.
At most, it still works against Snake's case, because he's still defending against something with increased force due to surface area, making it even more duvious to whether he actually scales to Hauk or not.
Narraticely speaking, Snake dodged every blow and the only one he blocked still injured him in considerable manner. Just because his arm didn't get hacked off instantly, it doesn't mean he's as strong as that brute.
The other scan leaves me perplexed as well, he indeed blocked the punch casually, but it was a casual punch as well, they were still talking during this instance, after all, and the 9-B feat performed by Hauk was through much more violent and numerous punches.

The explosion feat might be 9-B, but a calc would be required to ultimaley confirm it, accounting for Snake's surface area and the fact he was visibly shielded by a table that was still intact in the aftermath of the explosion.
I really can't understand why this feat is dubious. first we see that Hauk is able to break a door down with a couple of punches, but he seriously warped the steel door even with his first punch. Then when he fought Snake, he was bloodlusted, Snake withstood a stomp in his leg, and a punch to his arm, Snake was even able to take off his mask with a backhand. For me this feat is pretty straigthforward
Snake dodged most blows, because he is a good fighter, and that's what good fighters do, also as i said, the armor was full of spikes. And i don't believe that Hauk's blows hurt him that much, he swimmed for hours literally after the fight.

Still, even people that were behind that table died in the explosion.

The tank scene could very well fall into athletic to peak human, considering Snake had quite the headstart and the tank had barely began to move, since it was still in the panel prior and had just mowed down a barricade in the one where Snake is already running.
The speeding car feat could definiteyl be superhuman, but the fact he shot a wheel kinda throws me off.
He still was somewhat able to keep up with that, even before he shooted the tires. But there's more interesting speed feats in the series that i forgot to mention. Snake was able to keep up and dogde Slag who was able to swing a baseball bat faster than Snake could believe that was possible. The average professional baseball player can swing a bat at 72 mph or 32 m/s. Also Eddie (Who Snake scales above) was able to move out out of the way of a missile after it was fired (He's fine after falling from a pretty high altitude btw), So i still believe him to be Subsonic, but Superhuman is also acceptable.
 
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@DarkDragonMedeus , @Qawsedf234 ,@SamanPatou could we reach an agreement?

I still think he should have Wall level AP, Durability and Striking strength
I believe he should have Subsonic speed especially after remembering Eddie's feat, however i'm fine with Supehuman too
I think he should have Class 1 Lifiting strength, but i can also understand Superhuman.
 
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I'll respond after work but as of now I still dont agree with speed or lifting strength for that matter.
I think the points you and Saman brought up were perfectly understandable, that's why i'm now leaning to the more safe options, tell me what do you think about it

Speed: Superhuman - Was able to keep up with a speeding car, keep up and dodged Slag who was able to swing a baseball bat faster than Snake could believe that was possible. Snake is considered to be the deadliest man in the world in his universe, so to impress Snake that much, Slag should at least be comparable to real world professional players. The average professional baseball player can swing a bat at 72 mph or 32 m/s. Eddie (Who Snake scales above) was able to move out out of the way of a missile after it was fired. The guy shot him with a M136 AT4 rocket launcher, which has a muzzle velocity of 290 m/s but given the distance it should probably be a Superhuman feat.

Lifiting Strength: At least Superhuman - I belive that the Submarine feat should fall in this category. But the neck crushing feat (You can see blood everywhere, so it was not just a choke) and casual neck breaking feat (Confirmed to be a neck snap in the script) easily give him Superhuman LS (There's alot of characters here that have Class 1 LS for the very same reason)

I think Superhuman Speed and LS should not be that controversial now given the feats.

Anyway, thanks for helping the thread.
 
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I can get superhuman combat speed, but not superhuman general speed. Cars missing a wheel struggle to safely reach speeds of 40-50 MPH in ideal conditions, let alone on a non-paved road like the one being shown. I don't think its a superhuman feat since he needed to destroy the wheel to get to the car in the first place.

Superhuman lifting strength look fine I guess.
 
I can get superhuman combat speed, but not superhuman general speed. Cars missing a wheel struggle to safely reach speeds of 40-50 MPH in ideal conditions, let alone on a non-paved road like the one being shown. I don't think its a superhuman feat since he needed to destroy the wheel to get to the car in the first place.

Superhuman lifting strength look fine I guess.
Alright so Athletic Human travel speed with superhuman combat and reaction speeds. And Superhuman LS.
 
I get what you're saying, and I don't mind him being Superhuman, but i just wanna clarify some things in the second neck breaking feat, he is not chocking the guard, he very easily broke the guy's neck you can even hear a "crack" sound, and it was very fast to be a choke. Also Snake holding a nearly 2 ton submarine from falling should be at least be in the Class 1 range, but i'm fine with Superhuman.
Now I heard the cracking sound, but he still used both arms and technique, with leverage, weight etc... iirc this has been a controversial feat for the longest time, with plenty of blogs attempting to judge this feat. So, unless it's done with extreme ease, I wouldn't bet my marbles on it being superhuman. Still, the submarine should be perfectly in line with Superhuman.

I really can't understand why this feat is dubious. first we see that Hauk is able to break a door down with a couple of punches, but he seriously warped the steel door even with his first punch. Then when he fought Snake, he was bloodlusted, Snake withstood a stomp in his leg, and a punch to his arm, Snake was even able to take off his mask with a backhand. For me this feat is pretty straigthforward
Snake dodged most blows, because he is a good fighter, and that's what good fighters do, also as i said, the armor was full of spikes. And i don't believe that Hauk's blows hurt him that much, he swimmed for hours literally after the fight.
I honestly don't see him being on his same level anyway, I'm sorry. He took a total of two hits and they made him bleed considerably, just because his limbs weren't hacked off immediately it doesn't mean he is on the same level, we (generally) apply this standard to every verse, where getting hurt and beaten but not outright killed doesn't equal to proper scaling.
And spikes absolutely have to be accounted, they increase the attacker's potency anyway, which in turn would apply even to the force excerted on the door. Backhanding the mask away isn't really a feat anyway, it may be 9-C out of the weight and durability of the mask itself, but I don't see how it would scale to Hauk directly.

Snake was clearly getting overpowered, whether it was with fists or the bear hug. He dodged because that's what fighters do, ok, but there is still a reason and a narrative intention behind it. Even the fact he defeated Hauk with his techno gizmos instead of a haymaker is quite telling of what the levels were. This is a classic brute-vs-underdog situation.

Still, even people that were behind that table died in the explosion.
Snake is the only person to be exactly behind the table, which also falls on him, as seen when he lifts it off of himself. The explosion should honestly be calced, because not only as of now we don't account for Snake's own surface, which distributes the force of the explosion depending on the distance, but the table is quite the game changer. Everyone else had died, yes, but Snake got saved by the classic hero's luck, considering the table covered only him, in that panel, and fell right upon him, acting as shield during and after the explosion.

He still was somewhat able to keep up with that, even before he shooted the tires. But there's more interesting speed feats in the series that i forgot to mention. Snake was able to keep up and dogde Slag who was able to swing a baseball bat faster than Snake could believe that was possible. The average professional baseball player can swing a bat at 72 mph or 32 m/s. Also Eddie (Who Snake scales above) was able to move out out of the way of a missile after it was fired (He's fine after falling from a pretty high altitude btw), So i still believe him to be Subsonic, but Superhuman is also acceptable.
Unless Snake has perfect knowledge of baseball players' swinging speed, I'm not sure this counts as reliable information. Maybe we could calc the rocket launcher feat, I'm not sure, because you need to account for distance anyway. It's likely superhuman, but it doesn't scream outright subsonic to me.


Regarding the speeding car feat, maybe we could call it peak human, possibly higher.
 
Now I heard the cracking sound, but he still used both arms and technique, with leverage, weight etc... iirc this has been a controversial feat for the longest time, with plenty of blogs attempting to judge this feat. So, unless it's done with extreme ease, I wouldn't bet my marbles on it being superhuman. Still, the submarine should be perfectly in line with Superhuman.
Yes he used both arms, leverage and weigth tho i'm not so sure, i just see him twisting the guy's neck with his hands, still i already agree with Superhuman LS.
I honestly don't see him being on his same level anyway, I'm sorry. He took a total of two hits and they made him bleed considerably, just because his limbs weren't hacked off immediately it doesn't mean he is on the same level, we (generally) apply this standard to every verse, where getting hurt and beaten but not outright killed doesn't equal to proper scaling.
Bleed considerably? I'm sorry but that's not what happened here, Snake stopped bleeding just a panel after the fight. And again he only bleed because of the spikes, is very common in fiction for a character being able to withstand wall level blows but being pierced by a kicthen knife for example.
And spikes absolutely have to be accounted, they increase the attacker's potency anyway, which in turn would apply even to the force excerted on the door. Backhanding the mask away isn't really a feat anyway, it may be 9-C out of the weight and durability of the mask itself, but I don't see how it would scale to Hauk directly.
But for me he knocking the mask out should be 9-B because in my understanding Hauk is only that strong and durable thanks to his suit but, if were talking about Hauk directly then yes Snake definitely scales to him. Snake is stated to be the deadliest man on the planet, and the best soldier the United States ever had, this includes Hauk who was a Texas Thunder special forces operator. In the first film Snake chokes Hauk, and the latter was unable to overpower him. Hauk was shown to be somewhat aprehensive of Snake threats. Also Snake was strong enough to destroy a windshield into pieces, and at least knocking out the driver, just by casually throwing a crowbar at it, which requires this much energy.
Unless Snake has perfect knowledge of baseball players' swinging speed, I'm not sure this counts as reliable information. Maybe we could calc the rocket launcher feat, I'm not sure, because you need to account for distance anyway. It's likely superhuman, but it doesn't scream outright subsonic to me.
Well Snake is SF operator and the best of his universe, and he's also able to blitz Eddie, so to impress Snake so much, Slag should at least swing like a professional. Also baseball bat swing speed is common knowledge for anyone who watches baseball, but i digress, I'm also perctly fine with Superhuman reaction speeds
Regarding the speeding car feat, maybe we could call it peak human, possibly higher.
So Peak Human travel speed and Superhuman combat speed?
 
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