About Jiren

[JustANormalPerson01]

"Jiren has power that exceeds the GoD", is this taken into account with respect to Jiren's AP?

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Pretty sure it is. However the fact that Jiren is above the GoD's is apparent from the series, plus other scans already used. So it doesn't seem necessary to use this one.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Well, I talked about this because I thought that surpassing all GoDs could be a possible feat 2-C (like Gogeta)

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

It depends on whetever it refers to being stronger than the GoD's combined, or simply surpassing the level of GoD (as in singular).

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

So, considering the text of the image, it is more logical to think that having a power that exceeds the GoDs refers to overcoming the power of these, not the power of the 12 combined (the latter being headcanon), isn't it?

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

That is the accepted logic yes. It makes much more sense really. Which is why he is Low 2-C, although he could be a borderline 2-C

 

[Gengar56]

Wasn't it stated that Jiren was the strongest that Goku and Vegeta ever faced. Which was stronger than Infinite Zamasu who is 2-C

 

[Omegas03]

Zamasu didn't expand to 2-C so Jiren is only superior to the Low 2-C

 

[Gengar56]

Zamasu didn't expand to 2-C so Jiren is only superior to the Low 2-C

Jiren was stated stonger than Infinite zamasu though and It has been proved.

 

[Omegas03]

Yeah but Infinite Zamasu only got to Low 2-C output, he never expanded to 2-C which is purely hypothetical.

 

[Gengar56]

Yeah but Infinite Zamasu only got to Low 2-C output, he never expanded to 2-C which is purely hypothetical.

Can you prove to me that it was hypothetical? Cuz I can get Him to 2B but even though for this site it's considered WANK

 

[Omegas03]

Because he only merged with one Universe, he could have merged with the rest but he didn't have time to do such. Soo people in verse when stating Jiren > Infinite Zamasu only refer to the one we saw and not the 2-C one because they've never sensed him, lol.

 

[Gengar56]

Even though he was about to merge with the present timeline. and even Beerus and Whis sensed him in another timeline.


Whis and Beerus senses Infinite Zamasu


Zamasu's presence in the Present timeline

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

The scan in the OP is only promotion for the manga and it's contradicted by the actual manga itself where Toppo says that Jiren is stronger than Belmod in skill alone. Manga statement > guide statement.