Acausality type 5 question

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

If someones acausality type 5 allows them to also be outside the plot/narrative and not affected by any narrative abilities would that give anything more, or is acausality type 5 already assumed to do that?

 

[Lycoris4812]

I don't think Ac5 is assumed to be outside the narrative, but normal plot manipulation shouldn't work on it anyways. What you're describing should give resistance to plot manipulation.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I don't think Ac5 is assumed to be outside the narrative, but normal plot manipulation shouldn't work on it anyways. What you're describing should give resistance to plot manipulation.

Most NLF ability fr

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Most NLF ability fr

ye thats why I asked this since I've seen people argue acaus type 5 is also immune to plot manip

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

and also something like this just showed up in a recent chapter of something I read after he evolved his acausality type 5 skill that already made him step outside causality and become a non-factor to all interactions that exist within causality such as even being forgotten by history and unable to be remembered as he steps outside causality

Not even a Legendary skill like Leviathan of the Shapeless Tides would have allowed Shiv to survive this onslaught. Every single one of those attacks struck—just as Shiv triggered his Phase Frame.

Weirdness ensued.

One moment, Shiv was being shredded and scattered, his body destroyed and skewered from all sides. Then his Vitae flared, and the damage dealt to him—along with everything that struck him—detonated in a burst of vitality.

He promptly vanished without any hint of ever existing.

It should have been impossible. There was nowhere to evade in reality. So Shiv descended into somewhere that didn’t exist at all.

When Shiv tried to Phase Frame, he passed entirely through the threshold between worlds. Faster than he could properly perceive, he found himself tumbling through Integrated reality, through its farthest reaches, through the Outside—and then further. The attacks that were supposed to break him were rendered non-canon. The mana suffusing his being, wrapping him in a dense net of Divination, burst apart. A spray of violet essence filled the air, lingering as an afterimage, leaving a pseudo-decoy in his wake. That was what Longinus punched through.

It faded like a mirage a moment after, leaving a very confused god staring at nothing in particular within his torture dungeon of a kitchen.

Somehow, Shiv could still sense the veil of Integration. He was on the other side, cast beyond the grip of the System. The world here was a vague, geometric, featureless replica of the environment he'd been in. It was a shadowed place—a reflection of the space he just fled. And there was a slowness to how things moved out here as well, like Shiv had been disconnected from an overarching timeline. He made out vague forms around him. They were like clay figures. Longinus remained there; so did Georges within his body. Both lacked any distinguishing features or marks. They were merely models of who they used to be, models that glowed faintly with the mana that suffused them.

And that was another difference in this place. He could see mana. It shone brighter, clearer than ever before. He could distinguish all the spectrums. With reality's ambience banished from his senses, the nature of magic sang its melody to him in clear and crisp notes. And it wasn't just Longinus or Georges. All the dimensionals broadcast their wavelengths as well. Each one of their fields gave off a pinging sound rippling with their mana, and every single one was slightly different. Every single one cast a varied ripple across the shadowy sea that was Integration.

Shiv looked around, his brow creasing. “Where in the Broken Moon am I? What is this?”

“You're in the place that doesn't exist,” a tired, feminine voice sounded from behind him.

“Correct. I don't have a body in reality. But we're no longer in reality. This is somewhere else.” Sage looked around. “Well, I wouldn't call it an unreality, since it still exists in relation to reality. Consider all these shadowy shapes around you. It's exactly the same in terms of layout and look as the place you just left—only slightly obscured by the System. I think we are behind the curtain, so to speak. Considering the narrative and theatrical quality this new skill name has, I would call this place the Backstage.”

“Ignore the drama queen over here. Daddy Dearest really did everything he could to **** up your basic education, huh?” Adam’s nonexistent sister smacked her lips together. “A tulpa is a mental construct or being that is made manifest by someone believing in it hard enough. Think of it as an imaginary friend you bring into reality by thinking about them super hard. Except this isn't reality. This place technically doesn't exist. Nothing exists here. Only you do. Well, sort of. You are the only thing that gives this place definition. And because there are no governing laws or rules or things to give this place structure, whatever you think kind of leaks over. That's my guess anyway.”

“Yeah, that's basically because you want me to take it well. Again, not technically real. I guess you can call me your ‘Continuity Error Skill’ or your ‘Vision Girl’ since I exist behind the curtain and can peek over other people’s shoulders for you—"

“And that's why I still kept getting premonitions after Rose left?” he asked for clarification.

The girl that didn't technically exist shot him an annoyed look and ignored his question. “Anyway, you have to understand that everything here is mostly a facet of your mind bleeding over into material reality. What's mental and what's material doesn't really hold many rules here. There's not a lot of weight. Your magic also doesn't make too much sense here, because, well, what's there to reference? There are no lores or people in this place. You're the only one here. Frankly, I would call you a god in his domain here, except there's nothing to rule over and there's nothing to shape, and we're only existing in a sort of penumbral, backroom of reality given structure by the place you just escaped from.”

The Usurper-Narrator shifted the scenes back and forth.

Time advanced. Time regressed.

She regarded Longinus and the Summer Court. Judging by all the damage and evidence left within The Boiling Toad and on Plum Blossom’s table, it was certain someone had been here.

But there were lines missing from the story. It was like reading a nonsensical series of events that just happened without a clear chain of cause and effect.

Kelp soup had been made for the Princess of the Harvest, but who had made it? Why had they made it? How had they made it?

All these details were missing. Someone had attacked Longinus, but that was all she knew. Longinus had been attacked. His kitchen realm had been damaged and intruded upon, but everything was without description. There was something missing, something that was altogether absent from the world. Something that had been there before and was now gone.

A chill glided up Evanescia's spine. A breath escaped her. She'd missed that sensation. Was someone trying to steal her dimension from her? Did she actually have a competitor? A fellow Reader? Perhaps another construct like her sent by her creator? Or, more likely, by Udraal?

And she wasn't the only one who was confused. Longinus was looking around, utterly lost. Princess Plum Blossom wasn't sure why she was so mad, and a few of the Bread-Knights that Evanescia had inserted herself into during the last loop were lost as well. They had deviated from their routine, had been tasked with accompanying someone into the keep.

But that someone was missing from their memories. So were eight full hours of time.

With a thought, the Usurper-Narrator inserted herself into her strongest Mythic character as a safety precaution. She wasn't sure what was wrong, but until she could figure things out again, she wanted to stay extra safe so that she could actually get to the suspenseful part of the story and uncover just who had managed to escape from the pages of her book.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Acausality (Type 5) is just something that cannot be changed in any way. It it beyond any form of Process/change in events of cause and effect. Which ofc most things rely on cause and effect.

You need Acausality Type 5 Negation or ofc Qualitative Superiority

 

[Arency]

Acausality (Type 5) is just something that cannot be changed in any way. It it beyond any form of Process/change in events of cause and effect. Which ofc most things rely on cause and effect.

You need Acausality Type 5 Negation or ofc Qualitative Superiority

So are you saying that existing outside causality grant you aca5?
Or do you need to be unchangable within a causality system for it?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

So are you saying that existing outside causality grant you aca5?
Or do you need to be unchangable within a causality system for it?

Just existing outside causality is very different from having type 5, there is wealth of extra evidence required aside from just that. Though it is one such step, at least afaik

 

[Arency]

Just existing outside causality is very different from having type 5

It seems to be the main requirement for it so

 

[Apotheosis69]

You need to be outside Causality/Change and its extensions ENTIRELY. It's pretty much Immutability/Changelessness

Its why Type 5 is such a steep Hax to have and needs soo much evidence, cus it is ofc suuper OP.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

You need to be outside Causality/Change and its extensions ENTIRELY. It's pretty much Immutability/Changelessness

Its why Type 5 is such a steep Hax to have and needs soo much evidence, cus it is ofc suuper OP.

All you need proof of is being outside causality and being uninteractible/unchangeable to stuff within causality as a result. Type 5 isnt absolutely immutable or unchangeable or else they'd be static beings unable to act or do anything.

 

[Arency]

You need to be outside Causality/Change and its extensions ENTIRELY. It's pretty much Immutability/Changelessness

But aren't you supposed to be unchangable by default outside causality?

 

[Apotheosis69]

But aren't you supposed to be unchangable by default outside causality?

Yes but only Type 5, is actually "outside" of it entirely. All other types are outside of "conventional" Causality.

 

[Arency]

Yes but only Type 5, is actually "outside" of it entirely. All other types are outside of "conventional" Causality.

Wdym by conventional causality?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Wdym by conventional causality?

How causality works in everyday life rn.

Something happens because of another thing happening.

I drove a car, because of all the mechanics in the engine, those mechanics in the engine happened because I pushed the gas pedal, etc.

 

[Arency]

How causality works in everyday life rn.

Something happens because of another thing happening.

I drove a car, because of all the mechanics in the engine, those mechanics in the engine happened because I pushed the gas pedal, etc.

So how would being outside of it entirely be any different than that conventional causality?

And especially if you're unchangable in both case

 

[Apotheosis69]

So how would being outside of it entirely be any different than that conventional causality?

I feel like that answers itself. You can check the Acausality page for explanations on the other types.

And especially if you're unchangable in both case

You can not be unchangeable when you're bound to any causality.

 

[Arency]

You can not be unchangeable when you're bound to any causality.

I mean being outside of causality in both case