Acausality Type 5

[Elyartaker]

Hello everyone!
acausality Type 5 I believe does not make sense.
the definition means being totally unchanged and independent from all forms and levels of causality.
from my understanding, all tier 0 characters should receive this, same as characters bestowed with it from a Tier 0 character.
but the "while lesser characters can only have likewise lesser forms of the ability by their own nature." is kinda meaningless.
how can a character have a lesser version of being "totally unchanged"? I think this is just Type 4(irregular causality), being above lesser causality but still effected by higher ones.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

irregular causality is just being beyond causality without being unchangable.
But type 5 you beyond causality and unchangable if it is not tier 0 it would depend on which is causality that you immune to like if it does not have feats of being beyond plot ,plot will affect it .

Tier 0 totally unchanged and independent from all forms and levels of causality
Lesser characters are beyond some forms and levels of causality and being unchangable by them

 

[Elyartaker]

But type 5 you beyond causality and unchangable if it is not tier 0 it would depend on which is causality that you immune to like if it does not have feats of being beyond plot ,plot will affect it .

Wouldn't that be just resistance to plot manipulation? since no none Tier 0 character unless bestowed upon, can be above anything. only resistance to some degree.

Tier 0 totally unchanged and independent from all forms and levels of causality
Lesser characters are beyond some forms and levels of causality and being unchangable by them

I understand the Tier 0 part but the latter still looks like irregular causality to me. as you said, irregular causality is just being above causality but only to what degree a character has shown and cannot be effected or changed by lesser or different causalities. so it is unchangeable but only to lesser forms of causality.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Wouldn't that be just resistance to plot manipulation? since no none Tier 0 character unless bestowed upon, can be above anything. only resistance to some degree.

Nope if causality goes all the way to the story.
Plot maniplation will not affect them .
Also a character can still be above everything without being tier 0 .

I understand the Tier 0 part but the latter still looks like irregular causality to me. as you said, irregular causality is just being above causality but only to what degree a character has shown and cannot be effected or changed by lesser or different causalities. so it is unchangeable but only to lesser forms of causality.

The part where a character cant be changed by causality would still be type 5

Acausality Type 5 checklist

Alright, after the last Type 5 thread didn't go so well due to miscommunication on what the standards were, let alone who exactly qualified for the new standards or not. I'm redoing this now that I've gotten a better grasp on what does and doesn't qualify for type 5 Acausality. Let's get the...

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[Elyartaker]

Nope if causality goes all the way to the story.
Plot maniplation will not affect them .

I don't think this is something potent. plot manipulation of that level wouldn't effect them but higher than them should. tho I would like a confirmation from an admin/mod.

Also a character can still be above everything without being tier 0 .

as I said before yes but you need to be bestowed upon which is also said in the. acausality page.

The part where a character cant be changed by causality would still be type 5

Acausality Type 5 checklist

Alright, after the last Type 5 thread didn't go so well due to miscommunication on what the standards were, let alone who exactly qualified for the new standards or not. I'm redoing this now that I've gotten a better grasp on what does and doesn't qualify for type 5 Acausality. Let's get the...

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being totally unchangeable requires being Tier 0 or be bestowed upon form one. this confirms one needs to Tier 0 to be completely immune to any levels of causality.
utterly and totally immutable is something that, strictly speaking, is only guaranteed for characters with a Tier 0 rating

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I don't think this is something potent. plot manipulation of that level wouldn't effect them but higher than them should. tho I would like a confirmation from an admin/mod.

Nope if a character has Acausality type 5 and thier is a character that scales higher than them that has no ac type 5 . they will not be able to affect Acausality type 5 even if it was 2A with Acausality type 5 and 1A without.
Also having plot has an aspect means you resist plot manipulation on all tiers without tier 0.

as I said before yes but you need to be bestowed upon which is also said in the. acausality page.

True

. this confirms one needs to Tier 0 to be completely immune to any levels of causality.
utterly and totally immutable is something that, strictly speaking, is only guaranteed for characters with a Tier 0 rating

True

 

[Elyartaker]

Nope if a character has Acausality type 5 and thier is a character that scales higher than them that has no ac type 5 . they will not be able to affect Acausality type 5 even if it was 2A with Acausality type 5 and 1A without.

I know about this. I think I can't get my question across well damn.

 

[RenderGK]

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I know about this. I think I can't get my question across well damn.

i think you miss read on the Acausality type 5 ultima said being totally immutable is only limited to tier 0 while lesser characters can only have some form of immutability bestowed upon them by a Tier 0.
It didnt say they get they get lesser version of being totally unchanged.
Just someform of unchangeability