Ada (Boruto) Vs A.M.A.Z.O (DCAU): Strongest 10th Non Smurf

[Robo432343]

Ada (Boruto)

Ada (エイダ, Eida?, Viz: Eida) is a cyborg and a former member of the Kara organization. During one of Amado's experiments, he implanted Shibai Ōtsutsuki's DNA into various individuals, hoping they would awaken at least one of his many Shinjutsu. Ada, along with Code and her younger brother Daemon...

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A.M.A.Z.O. (DCAU)

A.M.A.Z.O. is the nanotechnological creation of the late Professor Ivo. His unique structure allows him to imitate almost any ability or skill with a glance, making him a powerful foe to the Justice League until he was convinced to leave Earth and search for a purpose in life. He returned more...

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Both 5-B
Speed =
SBA otherwise

Amazo: 4
Ada: 2
Incon:

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

i don't think adas mind hax will work on robot

It might its a product of reality warp and it worked on Delta which is basically a robot

 

[theultimate5105]

i don't think adas mind hax will work on robot

Worked on Delta who is a robot

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

man that should be on profile

It is Inorganic Physiology type 2

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

but she isn't a full robot

Her counscious is on a robot and she changes bodies

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Amazo passively copies the mind hax and hits Ada with it too.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Amazo passively copies the mind hax and hits Ada with it too.

She is immune to her own hax because of her reality manipulation

 

[AnonymousBlank]

She is immune to her own hax because of her reality manipulation

Don’t see that anywhere on the profile but assuming it is true, Amazo would become immune too as a result of copying her. Then he just hits her with BFR to another dimension, rearrange her atoms, space manip etc etc.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Don’t see that anywhere on the profile but assuming it is true, Amazo would become immune too as a result of copying her. Then he just hits her with BFR to another dimension, rearrange her atoms, space manip etc etc.

He would have to copy reality warp which is beyond any science which AMAZO is unable to copy

 

[AnonymousBlank]

He would have to copy reality warp which is beyond any science which AMAZO is unable to copy

… my guy, Amazo is able to get low complex hax. Anything Ada has is quite literally beyond infinitely less compared to that.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

who said he would have to copy the reality warping

he can just copy the mind hax

Mind hax is a creation of reality warp even if it looks like normal mind hax the base is "magic"

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

… my guy, Amazo is able to get low complex hax. Anything Ada has is quite literally beyond infinitely less compared to that.

Its on his profile dude he cant copy anything beyond scientific which reality warp cannot be explained as it is on the page for reality warp.
Also Omnipotence is stated to create worlds/universes so its beyond infinite

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

that would need to be on profile

It is not really very well explained there but thats how the ability works

• Charm: A result of Ada's subconscious desires to be loved which were made material by Omnipotence. Her desire to be loved results in anyone in her vicinity, men or women, into becoming completely captivated with her on an instinctual and unconscious level, unable to harm her or resist her commands.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

my guy thats literally empathic hax, not magic based

Not magic based but still not scientific which as its stated on his profile he cant copy anthing that is beyond the laws of physics

 

[theultimate5105]

that would need to be on profile

It is literally accepted on the profile, you aren’t even reading it

 

[theultimate5105]

where does it say that its magic based tf

It is based on reality Warping (which is something outside of physics)
the Empathetic hax is merely Omnipotence acting on Eidas Desire

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

oh that, ok then

that hax works on both males and females but not robots

delta is female but amazo doesn't have a gender

Delta was made from a female counscious but biologically its a robot with no gender

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Its on his profile dude he cant copy anything beyond scientific which reality warp cannot be explained as it is on the page for reality warp.
Also Omnipotence is stated to create worlds/universes so its beyond infinite

Way to twist the weakness. He cannot copy magic as it falls outside the bounds of DCAU science. To give an example, a spell that would shoot something functionally identical to Kryptonian HV would mean he can’t copy it but he very much can copy Kryptonian HV. Unless you can prove that Ada’s reality warping and mind hax are magic, he copies it when it is currently accepted that he can copy higher dimensional stuff which is > Naruto verse. You would also then need to contend with the fact that he would still be able to analyse her abilities and his Nth metal disrupts magic.

DC tech is able to power and create things with willpower and emotions which sure as hell is “beyond technology” yet he can still do that.

Also this

Omnipotence: Omnipotence is the most powerful shinjutsu, accessible only to omnipotent and omniscient gods. It's said to be a programming language that the gods used to create worlds and that can make anything real.

Tf you mean magic? This shit sounds scientific af. When some goober is able to use science to build these cyborgs and give them Shinjutsu through someone’s biology which Amazo is able to copy, why the hell is he not copying this?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Way to twist the weakness. He cannot copy magic as it falls outside the bounds of DCAU science. To give an example, a spell that would shoot something functionally identical to Kryptonian HV would mean he can’t copy it but he very much can copy Kryptonian HV. Unless you can prove that Ada’s reality warping and mind hax are magic, he copies it when it is currently accepted that he can copy higher dimensional stuff which is > Naruto verse. You would also then need to contend with the fact that he would still be able to analyse her abilities and his Nth metal disrupts magic.

DC tech is able to power and create things with willpower and emotions which sure as hell is “beyond technology” yet he can still do that.

Also this

Tf you mean magic? This shit sounds scientific af. When some goober is able to use science to build these cyborgs and give them Shinjutsu through someone’s biology which Amazo is able to copy, why the hell is he not copying this?

AMAZO's profile

Power Mimicry: A.M.A.Z.O. can replicate the abilities and powers of anyone he meets with a glance for as long as they do not completely fall outside of the realm of science.

Reality warp page

The ability to change reality into how the person in question sees fit, while ignoring the rules of science.

 

[Robo432343]

AMAZO's profile

is this your counter argument

 

[AnonymousBlank]

AMAZO's profile

Reality warp page

Go explain how emotions = hard light constructs and get back to me. That shit sure af ain’t within the laws of physics we got but DCAU does. Unless you can prove that the Shinjutsu she uses is beyond DCAU’s physics, come up with a better argument.

Also did you accidentally or purposefully ignore the “completely fall outside the realm of science”? Magic does. A programming language and biology sure as shit does not.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Go explain how emotions = hard light constructs and get back to me. That shit sure af ain’t within the laws of physics we got but DCAU does. Unless you can prove that the Shinjutsu she uses is beyond DCAU’s physics, come up with a better argument.

There is already real life explanations and ways to use energy from thoughts and as such emotions too.
No, Shinjutsu just needs to be beyond AMAZO which by all means he doesnt have reality warping on his profile for a reason

 

[AnonymousBlank]

There is already real life explanations and ways to use energy from thoughts and as such emotions too.

”Just trust me bro” he says. Go get that and link it here.

No, Shinjutsu just needs to be beyond AMAZO which by all means he doesnt have reality warping on his profile for a reason

Because he never fights anyone with reality warping? He copies hax which is dimensionally superior to Shinjutsu so I dunno where you are getting that it is beyond him him in anyway.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

”Just trust me bro” he says. Go get that and link it here.

Because you never learned in school that thoughs are electric pulses?

Because he never fights anyone with reality warping? He copies hax which is dimensionally superior to Shinjutsu so I dunno where you are getting that it is beyond him him in anyway.

Magic is a form of reality warp really, if he can supposedly make Kriptonite that is magic based by reproducing the radiation using science then he would be able to reproduce magic with reality warp.
Magic itself is not higher dimensionality and he cant copy it.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Because you never learned in school that thoughs are electric pulses?

Emotions = hard light. Go prove that with science. Thoughts can be energy but thoughts =/= emotions.

Magic is a form of reality warp really,

It is not magic unless it is actually stated to be magic in the setting or have you never heard the line “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”? Go get that scan and quit reiterating the same line.

if he can supposedly make Kriptonite that is magic based by reproducing the radiation using science then he would be able to reproduce magic with reality warp.

He can’t make magic Kryptonite because it is, and say this with me, magic. Even if it does the exact same thing as Kryptonite and interacts with everything else the same way, he cannot due to that facet.

Magic itself is not higher dimensionality and he cant copy it.

Because that’s the caveat to his power mimicry. That’s like if he could copy anything accept fire manip and arguing he can’t copy … plant manip even though he can copy outerversal hax besides fire manip just because he hasn’t been shown to copy plants.

^This is what your argument boils down to.

Ada’s reality warping is literally based on science, both from the description of it and where she gets it from. Two things that Amazo is able to copy.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Emotions = hard light. Go prove that with science. Thoughts can be energy but thoughts =/= emotions.

Emotions are product of thoughts scientifically

It is not magic unless it is actually stated to be magic in the setting or have you never heard the line “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”? Go get that scan and quit reiterating the same line.

That line was used in the MCU to talk about asgardians which are magic users, that line also doesnt exist in Boruto by all means.

He can’t make magic Kryptonite because it is, and say this with me, magic. Even if it does the exact same thing as Kryptonite and interacts with everything else the same way, he cannot due to that facet.

Same for reality warping products such as Ada's abilities.

Because that’s the caveat to his power mimicry. That’s like if he could copy anything accept fire manip and arguing he can’t copy … plant manip even though he can copy outerversal hax besides fire manip just because he hasn’t been shown to copy plants.

And his power mimicry is limited by scientific fields which reality warping is outside from.

^This is what your argument boils down to.

Ada’s reality warping is literally based on science, both from the description of it and where she gets it from. Two things that Amazo is able to copy.

No, its described as a programming language which is the way they choose to describe reality warping. And by all means this shinjutsu was given to Ada via DNA from the body of a being which very likely is in a higher dimension

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Emotions are product of thoughts scientifically

And a black eye is the product of being punched in the face “scientifically”. That doesn’t mean a punch in the face = black eye.

That line was used in the MCU to talk about asgardians which are magic users, that line also doesnt exist in Boruto by all means.

It was used in the MCU because it’s an extremely popular quote from Arthur C. Clarke. Just because something seems magical does not mean it inherently is much like how a flamethrower is magical to a cave man or lightning and other such forces of nature were seen as divine acts of the gods back before science came and explained it. Chakra sure af seems magical same with soul hax, reality warping etc but we do not classify them as magic on the site without an actual statement or logical reasoning based on evidence provided by the source material so unless you make a CRT and actually get the Shinjutsu accepted as magic, it means jack here.

Same for reality warping products such as Ada's abilities.

Like I said, go get the scan that it is magic and is completely outside science. Amazo literally copies Nth metal which disrupts magic meaning that his analysi, much like it is described on the profile, only fails epically when faced with something completely outside of the realm of science.

You also never attempted to even counter my prior point when I brought up that Amazo has Nth metal which disrupts the magic that Ada does not have.

And his power mimicry is limited by scientific fields which reality warping is outside from.

You know what else is? FTL speeds. Guess who can move at such speeds.

No, its described as a programming language which is the way they choose to describe reality warping.

The cherry picking is insane. If the reality warping is described as a programming language for how it functions, then it is a programming language and thus within the realm of science ergo it is subject to being copied by Amazo.

And by all means this shinjutsu was given to Ada via DNA from the body of a being which very likely is in a higher dimension

One, get the scan that says the DNA is higher dimensional. Two, it’s still less than what Amazo has been shown to copy.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

She is immune to her own hax because of her reality manipulation

Also can someone get the scan for this cuz it isn’t on the profile at all. Her profile even contradicts this assertion when her hax is the byproduct of her reality warping manifesting her want to be loved or some shit.

Delta was made from a female counscious but biologically its a robot with no gender

Then we also have this. Delta’s consciousness is female so she can still be affected by the mind hax. Amazo is an it.

 

[theultimate5105]

Also can someone get the scan for this cuz it isn’t on the profile at all. Her profile even contradicts this assertion when her hax is the byproduct of her reality warping manifesting her want to be loved or some shit.

Then we also have this. Delta’s consciousness is female so she can still be affected by the mind hax. Amazo is an it.

Why the hell would not having a gender have any effect on it

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

And a black eye is the product of being punched in the face “scientifically”. That doesn’t mean a punch in the face = black eye.

But it means both a punch and a black eye are scientifically explained which is the point here

It was used in the MCU because it’s an extremely popular quote from Arthur C. Clarke. Just because something seems magical does not mean it inherently is much like how a flamethrower is magical to a cave man or lightning and other such forces of nature were seen as divine acts of the gods back before science came and explained it. Chakra sure af seems magical same with soul hax, reality warping etc but we do not classify them as magic on the site without an actual statement or logical reasoning based on evidence provided by the source material so unless you make a CRT and actually get the Shinjutsu accepted as magic, it means jack here.

It doesnt need to be magic it needs to be outside the fields of science which again AMAZO cant reach

Like I said, go get the scan that it is magic and is completely outside science. Amazo literally copies Nth metal which disrupts magic meaning that his analysi, much like it is described on the profile, only fails epically when faced with something completely outside of the realm of science.

Something outside of the realm of science like reality warp which as stated in the VSB wiki page for reality warp ignores the laws of science.

You also never attempted to even counter my prior point when I brought up that Amazo has Nth metal which disrupts the magic that Ada does not have.

Because i have no ideia what that brings to this discussion, never said Ada´s ability is magic i did use the "magic" as means of describing something outside of the realms of magic but because its not magic i said "magic" and not magic.

You know what else is? FTL speeds. Guess who can move at such speeds.

It actually is not entirely you can search it, and it DCAU FTL is explained and made throught science so the fact the verse considers it technoogy means its technology.

The cherry picking is insane. If the reality warping is described as a programming language for how it functions, then it is a programming language and thus within the realm of science ergo it is subject to being copied by Amazo.

I think you pretty much got that one very wrong look at this

Since her boss based his company's code after magic, she's also well-versed in runes and spells, although she lacks the mana needed to use magic in any significant capacity)

This is a statement of the kobayashi profile does that mean AMAZO will be able to do magic now?

One, get the scan that says the DNA is higher dimensional. Two, it’s still less than what Amazo has been shown to copy.

This was confirmed by momoshiki

Also can someone get the scan for this cuz it isn’t on the profile at all. Her profile even contradicts this assertion when her hax is the byproduct of her reality warping manifesting her want to be loved or some shit.

Her ability is a product of her desire yes which is why she is immune to her own power since she choose not be affected by her reality warping powers.

Then we also have this. Delta’s consciousness is female so she can still be affected by the mind hax. Amazo is an it.

Great so Non binary humans are immune too?

 

[JED]

Amazo FRA

 

[AnonymousBlank]

But it means both a punch and a black eye are scientifically explained which is the point here

It can be, much like emotions being the result of thoughts, but you are trying to equate cause and effect here which is my point. Just because thoughts are due to electrical impulses in the brain and can thus be measured as energy in some form does not mean that emotions are energy nor are they always the result of thought.

It doesnt need to be magic it needs to be outside the fields of science which again AMAZO cant reach

It does need to be magic as that is what Amazo is said to be unable to copy according to the page.

Something outside of the realm of science like reality warp which as stated in the VSB wiki page for reality warp ignores the laws of science.

Because i have no ideia what that brings to this discussion, never said Ada´s ability is magic i did use the "magic" as means of describing something outside of the realms of magic but because its not magic i said "magic" and not magic.

Huh???

Mind hax is a creation of reality warp even if it looks like normal mind hax the base is "magic"

This not you?

It actually is not entirely you can search it, and it DCAU FTL is explained and made throught science so the fact the verse considers it technoogy means its technology.

Oh so now we are using what is accepted as science in verse? Thanks for conceding that everything Ada has is a result of science and can be copied by Amazo.

I think you pretty much got that one very wrong look at this

This is a statement of the kobayashi profile does that mean AMAZO will be able to do magic now?

Bruh, that is explicitly stated to be magic. Shinjutsu is not.

This was confirmed by momoshiki

And can you prove that is referring to a qualitatively superior mathematical dimension and actually qualifies as such according to the site’s rules? Because if not, it means nothing here.

Her ability is a product of her desire yes which is why she is immune to her own power since she choose not be affected by her reality warping powers.

The page literally stated she cannot control it and it is the manifestation of her subconscious desire to be loved by others. Why in the hell would it be affecting her in the first place?

Great so Non binary humans are immune too?

Are they attracted to others? Because Amazo is not.

Now this isn’t at you but for anyone else that knows the DCAU in general: why the actual **** does the profile say Amazo can’t copy magic? The scene in question that says he is weak to Chaos Magic brings up the fact that he has “attained mastery of forces all but incomprehensible to humans” which would include Zatanna who uses magic aka comprehensible to humans while Fate specifies that Grundy is brought back with Chaos Magic which rendered his own magic and Amazo’s technology useless.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Voting Amazo.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It can be, much like emotions being the result of thoughts, but you are trying to equate cause and effect here which is my point. Just because thoughts are due to electrical impulses in the brain and can thus be measured as energy in some form does not mean that emotions are energy nor are they always the result of thought.

They do emotions are transmited in your brain through impulses.

It does need to be magic as that is what Amazo is said to be unable to copy according to the page.

Magic is a weakness but being unable to copy something is not a weakness thats why it is not on the weakness part but on the description of his power states this.

Power Mimicry: A.M.A.Z.O. can replicate the abilities and powers of anyone he meets with a glance for as long as they do not completely fall outside of the realm of science.

So yes his page says is more than magic

Huh???

This not you?

I guess you didnt understand why i said "magic" dont you see that there is something more there than just the word magic? Ya look at it right there are some symbols around the word.

Oh so now we are using what is accepted as science in verse? Thanks for conceding that everything Ada has is a result of science and can be copied by Amazo.

Ada's abilities were never stated to be technology or scientific the statement about being like a computer language is just symbolic, Naruto's world is not a program it is a 4D structure that they command through what they described as a programming language.

Bruh, that is explicitly stated to be magic. Shinjutsu is not.

Shinjutsu is stated to be reality warp which is outside of science realm.

And can you prove that is referring to a qualitatively superior mathematical dimension and actually qualifies as such according to the site’s rules? Because if not, it means nothing here.

It never did mean much already talked about it the "dimensionality" of whatever abilities he copied doesnt matter because he cant copy things outside of science.

The page literally stated she cannot control it and it is the manifestation of her subconscious desire to be loved by others. Why in the hell would it be affecting her in the first place?

Cannot control it but uncounsciously she decided not to be affected thats why she still remembers everything and was not affected by her own power to alter reality because uncounsciously she decided she wanted to remember.

Are they attracted to others? Because Amazo is not.

Her ability is not about attraction lol, it doesnt matter even if it was a machine with no emotions like Delta.

Now this isn’t at you but for anyone else that knows the DCAU in general: why the actual **** does the profile say Amazo can’t copy magic? The scene in question that says he is weak to Chaos Magic brings up the fact that he has “attained mastery of forces all but incomprehensible to humans” which would include Zatanna who uses magic aka comprehensible to humans while Fate specifies that Grundy is brought back with Chaos Magic which rendered his own magic and Amazo’s technology useless.

Humans dont comprehend a lot of things even if we know about their existance the same for Zatanna she uses magic but does she really know what is it made of? Humans dont even fully comprehend how brain works and its part of our own body.

 

[theultimate5105]

Voting Ada
Also her ability works on Mitsuki (who does not feel love)

 

[Robo432343]

Also her ability works on Mitsuki (who does not feel love)

i feel like that is so random

 

[Kaydee1648]

… my guy, Amazo is able to get low complex hax. Anything Ada has is quite literally beyond infinitely less compared to that.

5B versions my guy

 

[Kaydee1648]

This was confirmed by momoshiki

The DNA used in making Ada was from the body Shibai discarded

 

[Robo432343]

this match is a stomp
amazo is a 4d smurf when he gets downgraded
actually nvm thats his infinity key

 

[Knifeman29]

this match is a stomp
amazo is a 4d smurf when he gets downgraded
actually nvm thats his infinity key

Why he getting downgraded?