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Adding some missing abilities (Genshin Impact)

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Today, i'll be adding some missing Abilities from a certain Genshin Impact characters. :)

Acausality Type 4


This section will be those who should get Acausality Type 4.

1. The Traveler
First would be the Traveler for an obvious reasons and the main reason is him being a Descender.
Descender is an Outlander from beyond the world of Teyvat and transcending the universal laws that the current ruler of the world named the Heavenly Principles established (and the Heavenly Principles themself is a Descender too) which is one of them are the Fate System itself or Constellation or Stella Fortuna as they (descenders) can defy and rival the entire world.
The Traveler as a Descender does not have a constellation lore-wise. The Traveler's in-game constellation is:
"Viator" for Male
"Viatrix" for Female
Both of them are Latin language and what it means is just literally "Traveler" you can translate it anywhere.
This is the same case as Neuvillette himself who doesn't have a constellation and his "IN-GAME" constellation is literally just means "Neuvillette", nothing else.

Usually, for those who are bound to the Constellation/Fate are having these such names of constellations:​
  • Raiden Shogun: "Imperatrix Umbrosa" meaning: Shadow Empress
  • Zhongli: "Lapis Dei" meaning: Rock God
  • Skirk: "Crystallina" meaning: Crystalline
  • Arlecchino: "Ignis Purgatorius" meaning: Cleansing Fire
  • Ineffa: "Vanila Planifolia" meaning: Flat-Leaved Vanilla
  • Albedo: "Princeps Cretaceus" meaning: Chalk Prince
And so on.
Basically, characters who have a fancy names constellations are bound to this fate system or constellation.

And it is also important to note that the one who created this Universal Fate System is ALSO a Descender, First Descender to be specifict, which is the current ruler of the world of Teyvat in Genshin Impact named the Heavenly Principles or the Primordial One. So by logic, he should not bound to his own system not to mention he's also a descender.

The nature of the Descenders is that they transcends the "laws" of the World. That includes almost every laws established by that First Descender or the Heavenly Principles or the Primordial One. And the Fate System is one of them too.

Thats why, Traveler is unaffected by irminsul changing, thats why the Traveler didn't get recorded by the History. Simply because, the Descenders are from beyond the universe.

The supporters here should be agree with this easily because this is a Common Knowledge to us regarding the Descenders.

*Additional for The Traveler requested by @Furina003



2. Apep
The second will be the Dendro Dragon Sovereign herself, Apep.
Apep is one of the Seven Dragon Sovereigns of the Light Realm, similar to the Hydro Dragon Sovereign Neuvillette himself who's not bound to the system known as Fate.

In the "Byakuyakoku Collections" book, it is stated that the Dragons or more like the creatures of the Light Realm is always considered to be like an Anomalies in the World of Teyvat or the Human Realm because they're coming from the Light Realm and almost all of them are not bound to Constellations just like the Thirteen Sovereign Lords of Natlantea who's the Descendants of the Pyro Dragon Sovereign, Xiuhcoatl.

So yeah, all Creatures from the Light Realm should get Acausality Type 4 by default because they're an Anomalies in the Human Realm, unless theres evidence that provide they're not "unbound" like Ineffa who's eventually got a Constellation. (well, theres a several reasons for that too).

Greater Life Manipulation


Well this one is only for Neuvillette actually because i've been asking why is nobody give him Life Manipulation even though its literally blantant in the lore.

The Hydro Dragon Sovereign is the "beating heart" of the Primordial Sea and had a full authority over this sea. The Primordial Sea is a sea that once the source of all life in the entire Planet, hence why The water of the Primordial Sea can also be called "Birthing Waters" or "Amniotic Fluid". And the Hydro Dragon Sovereign could in turn be regarded as the original God of Life in the Planet.

The previous Hydro Archon Egeria once used the Primordial Sea's life-granting properties to give the Oceanids human forms.

The pure Waters of the Primordial Sea are not capable of only creating life, but also taking it away. The ancient Remurian people were aware of the Primordial Sea's life-granting and life-taking properties, and had a prophecy of their own in which the Primordial Sea would one day swallow all life, and anything which did not originate from it would be filtered out as waste.

Furthermore, the Primordial Sea is a primordial form of elemental energy similar to Phlogiston and Kuuvahki and they have the same properties and qualities which is stated to be more Fundamental than the Seven Elements. As a result, all characters from Natlan region has "Greater" elemental manipulation on their profile because they're able to use more fundamental power than elemental energy.​

With all that said, Greater Life Manipulation should be a legit thing.

Fate & Soul Manipulation


This section is for those who should get Fate and Soul Manipulation.

First, Let's talk about the "Concept of Fate" in the Genshin Impact verse.

This is the recent topics and i've already discussed it on Genshin Discussion Thread that.. Some of the characters in Genshin Impact are capable of manipulating "Constellation" or the "Wheel of Fate" or "Stella Fortuna". basically, all of those names are another names for the Universal Concept of Fate or Fate System in Genshin Impact verse.

When they mentioned "Stars" or "Inauspicious Stars" It is often referred to the Constellations because the stars of Teyvat are closely intertwined with the concept of fate, and Constellations are an extension of this. The stars of constellations are likened to strings by which the Heavenly Principles puppeteer the mortals of the Human Realm.
As written here:​
Deep in the woods, nighttime.
The little witch soared upon her broom beneath the blood-green moon.
Blood-green was regarded as a symbol of great change in astrology, though whether such change be for good or ill cannot be determined by any result.
—Actually, that shade symbolizes the dominant race of this world, the Nephilim. They were the children of gods and humans, and so their blood, too, was the conflux between the red blood of humanity and golden, divine blood. And actually-actually, the green moonlight was the result of the moon's physical composition, the distance between the planet and its moon, atmospheric scattering, and other factors.

Anyway, so the little witch was soaring upon her broom beneath the blood-green moon, and then, she met a young lady who claimed to be a "fortune teller."
"I wish to become a witch's familiar," said the young lady.
But before they could even consider that, the little witch had something to ask: "Can fortune tellers read the skeins of fate?"
The fortune teller then explained the underlying principles. Put simply, it's something like this:
In our world, the stars are the heavenly strings by which humans are bound. But in other worlds, the subjects of astrological study are the solar ecliptic energies, the various lunar energies of the satellites, the will-energy of the celestial rulers of the planets, the scattered interference energy of distant stars, and the dark energy that suffuses the pitch-black cosmos.
The heavens control human fate like a puppeteer controls a marionette. So, the inauspicious stars themselves do not have free will. But, once I seal their power inside of a doll and bind it with animal bones, the residual thoughts within the bones allow them to develop awareness. I call these, uh, little creations, "Tzitzimimeh." You can think of them as manifestations of the inauspicious stars.
One as great as he should have no need for a constellation to shine over him. After all, "fate" is merely the manner in which the present ruler of this world plays with living beings.

Now that he has obtained one part of seven of the authority over the mortal realm, and reforged the throne and title of a "Fully Fledged Dragon," he is one strong enough to equal and rival "the human realm" and logic would dictate that he need not subscribe to this system known as "fate."

He can see, in the skies of destiny, how many stars contend with one another, creating a complicated, fragile world. He did not initially care much about such, for the puppet strings glossed as "divine rules" would one day be burned away by the fires of judgment. But he too was taken in by certain pleasing rhetoric.


"In that case, why don't you just watch over the Fontainians? They were born from the Primordial Sea, after all. That makes them part of this planet's native life, too, and a form of life that requires your care."

He would never admit that he himself had become quite fascinated with the joys and sorrows of humanity. Was it not so, he would argue, that humans find their gaze stolen by the ripples from falling raindrops in puddles? And could it not be, he would explain, that King Nibelung had been wrong, and that the black void could only be opposed if all life were to band together as one?

Thus did he, in the end, come into his own "fate." The skies had left a special, ennobled place for him, one reserved for the overseers and those who could defy the world itself — that of his own reflection.

—Of course, he was born in the form of a human. But why, then, is his constellation the image of the great leviathan? Well, this leads us to a more mundane explanation for the situation, one quite separate from grave matters of the world's fate:

As the one named "Neuvillette," he would often be roped by Melusines (especially Sigewinne) into a bit of astrology via The Steambird's constellation columns or astrology guides from Sumeru. Would it really do, at that point, to tell them that he "didn't have a constellation" or that his own constellation was just "Neuvillette"?

So.. If someone DOESN'T have a constellation that means they do not bound by this system known as Fate. Therefore, Acausality 4.
Now, if they can "Manipulate" this System/Constellation that means they can manipulate Fate itself because Constellation = Fate.



Next is how "Vision" connected to the User's Soul.

In the Ineffa's Character Story, According to the one of the Thirteen Sovereign Lords named the "Third Lord"'s hypothesis, Visions are connected to the souls as they are formed from the stuff of the Soul. It is become a part of your life, like this thing would always be with you for LIFE, until you die. It is proven by Keqing who once trying to destroy her vision countless times and throwing it from above the Jade Chamber yet that Vision can't be destroyed and always comeback to her.
And that one Inazuma NPC in the Inazuma Archon Quest who becomes crazy or insane because his vision was taken away by the Vision Hunt Decree of the Raiden Shogun, its like.. if you can manipulate someone's vision (in fundamental way) you also manipulating a part of their soul because Vision are literally connected to their soul.

So, Manipulating someone's vision in extraordinary way (like how the Raiden Shogun did) is basically manipulating that someone's soul because their Vision IS connected to their soul.




And here's the current characters that should get the Fate and Soul Manipulation via Manipulating Vision and Constellation/Stella Fortuna.

1. Raiden Shogun.
The Electro Archon can manipulate the very inauspicious stars themselves, thats why, in the Inazuma Archon Quest when we fight her for the first time she can manipulate a Visions of an Allogenes and preventing us to use Elemental Skills because Vision are also connected to the user's constellation and soul.

Currently, The abilities of her Manipulating a Vision (in Fundamental Way) and the Constellation is Law Manipulation and Power Bestowal Negation​
With all of the explanations i gave above, we should also give her Fate Manipulation because of her capable of manipulating Constellations and Soul Manipulation because of her capable of manipulating someone's vision.

2. Citlali.
In creating her dolls, Citlali can sealed a constellations and put it into her Dolls which called "Tzitzimimeh" and each of her dolls has a spirit in it.
These dolls is like Itzpapa and Citlalin that we know. Citlali should get Fate Manipulation because she also can manipulate the constellations by sealed them into her dolls.
And this Voiceline of her more proving it:​
The heavens control human fate like a puppeteer controls a marionette. So, the inauspicious stars themselves do not have free will. But, once I seal their power inside of a doll and bind it with animal bones, the residual thoughts within the bones allow them to develop awareness. I call these, uh, little creations, "Tzitzimimeh." You can think of them as manifestations of the inauspicious stars. — Feelings About Ascension: Building Up​

So yeah, thats all for now because i've been thinking about these abilities recently so i just wants these abilities to be in the characters.

Members Votes


Agree:
@The_Tetromino_King @AsterReal @Furina003 @IReallyLoveRilysse (except traveler's resistance)

Disagree:


Staff Votes



Agree:
@ActuallySpaceMan42
@Mr. Bambu
@Antvasima


Disagree:
@ActuallySpaceMan42

(Time Stop Resistance)
 
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i knew you would **** up by using fckass youtubers instead of official game source WHY WHY YOU BAKA!!
I put the official game source literally right there.
I gave That video because that video has better explanation so everyone can understand, what all i did is just giving the TLDR.

And it is pretty clear that Visions are literally connected to the Constellations, and Visions is legit connected to the souls, theres nothing to doubt about.
 
Before even reading anything, you do know that using YouTube clips/videos regarding lore and scaling (arguments and such) is fully banned on the wiki, right?

Rule link
Please refrain from creating content revision threads that consist solely of links to off-site sources (such as YouTube, Reddit, other VS forums, etc.) and have no discernible arguments of their own.
 
Before even reading anything, you do know that using YouTube clips/videos regarding lore and scaling (arguments and such) is fully banned on the wiki, right?
Oh i do not know and thats my first time hearing it. I don't use that youtube video is for the main source of my scans but only the explanations.

I have already provided the official scans that is needed here.
 
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Before even reading anything, you do know that using YouTube clips/videos regarding lore and scaling (arguments and such) is fully banned on the wiki, right?
He provided Genshin scans for all the feats here. The YT vid isn´t contributing anything to what is being argued here.
 
Oh i do not now and thats my first time hearing it. I don't use that youtube video is for the main source of my scans but only the explanations.
That's fair, since it's rarely an issue to begin with, so unless you read all the rules, you are unlikely to know it.

I have already provided the official scans that is needed here.
My point is that I would recommend removing the video still, since it will cause some issues, and if it's truly covered by the scans, it should be irrelevant to begin with.
 
I put the official game source literally right there.
I gave That video because that video has better explanation so everyone can understand, what all i did is just giving the TLDR.

And it is pretty clear that Visions are literally connected to the Constellations, and Visions is legit connected to the souls, theres nothing to doubt about.
the idea is that YOU as a OP of thread need to explain the proposals you need with your own argument and not outside source (unless ur downgrading hoyo then this rule magically dissapears) anyway ill read this crt later
 
Today, i'll be adding some missing Abilities from a certain Genshin Impact characters.

Acausality Type 4


This section will be those who should get Acausality Type 4.

1. The Traveler, First would be the Traveler for an obvious reasons and the main reason is him being a Descender.
Descender is an Outlander from beyond the world of Teyvat and transcending the universal laws that Heavenly Principles established (and the Heavenly Principles themself is a Descender too) which is one of them are the Fate System itself or Constellation or Stella Fortuna. I think all Genshin Supporters would agree on this easily because this is a Common Knowledge to us.

2. Apep, The second will be the Dendro Dragon Sovereign herself, Apep.
Apep is one of the Seven Dragon Sovereigns of the Light Realm, similar to the Hydro Dragon Sovereign Neuvillette himself.
The Dragons is always considered to be like an Anomaly in the World of Teyvat or Human Realm because they're coming from the Light Realm and almost all of them are not bound to Constellations just like the Thirteen Sovereign Lords of Natlantea.

So yeah, all Creatures from the Light Realm should get Acausality Type 4 by default because they're an Anomaly in the Human Realm, unless theres evidence that provide they're not "unbound" like Ineffa who's eventually got a Constellation. (well, theres a several reasons for that too).
This seems to be fine.
This is fine.
Fate Manipulation


This section is for those who should get Fate Manipulation.

This is the recent topics and i've already discussed it on Genshin Discussion Thread. Some of characters in Genshin Impact are capable of manipulating Constellation or the Wheel of Fate or Stella Fortuna, basically all of those names are another names for the Fate System of Celestia.

According to the one of the Thirteen Sovereign Lord named "Third Lord"'s hypothesis, Visions are connected to souls as they are formed from the stuff of the Soul. It is become a part of your life like this thing would always be with you for life, until you die. Keqing once trying to destroy her vision countless times and throwing it from above the Jade Chamber yet that Vision can't be destroyed and always comeback to her.
And that one Inazuma NPC in the Inazuma Archon Quest who becomes crazy or insane because his vision was taken away.

Visions or Moon Wheels (another version of Visions) are not only connected to Soul but also Constellations. As written here from Ineffa's Character Story of how she eventually bound to "Fate" And got her constellation and moon wheel.

^"Vanilla Planifolla" Is Ineffa's Constellation name.

The TLDR is basically like this:


The Soul of the Allogenes/Vision Users are connected to their Visions and their Visions are connected to their Stella Fortuna or Constellation. Manipulating their Visions is basically manipulating their Constellation or Fate. Visions are literally a part of the user's Soul, According to the Third Lord hypothesis, "Vision" is formed from the stuff of the soul.

1. Raiden Shogun, the Electro Archon can manipulate the very inauspicious stars themselves, THATS WHY, she can manipulate a Visions of an Allogenes.

Currently, The Ability of her Manipulating a Vision (in Fundamental Way) is Law Manipulation

With all of the explanations i gave above, we should change it to Fate Manipulation because she's basically manipulating a Constellation.

2. Citlali, in creating her dolls, Citlali can sealed a constellations and put it into her Dolls which called "Tzitzimimeh" .
These dolls is like Itzpapa and Citlalin that we know. Therefore, Citlali should get a Fate Manipulation because she also can manipulate the constellations by sealed them into her dolls.

This is fine, but in the case of the constellation sealing feat. It does not necessarily mean Fate Manipulation, it could be just Non-Physical Interaction and Sealing.
 
I think everything is fine
1. Raiden Shogun, the Electro Archon can manipulate the very inauspicious stars themselves, THATS WHY, she can manipulate a Visions of an Allogenes.

Currently, The Ability of her Manipulating a Vision (in Fundamental Way) is Law Manipulation

With all of the explanations i gave above, we should change it to Fate Manipulation because she's basically manipulating a Constellation.
but In this case, Raiden should have obtained both. Raiden stopped the function of Vision, which is a law of the heavens, and Raiden can also manipulate the stars of destiny. Vision and Constellation are related, but they are still two different aspects.

I would also like to suggest that you add resistance time stop for travellers, so that they can travel once with this CRT.
The traveller is unaffected by the frozen time when he meets his sibling.
Travellers are also able to move within the eternal oasis where time does not flow.
The traveller is unaffected by the Narzissenkreuz Tower, where Purti Lyris has erased time from the tower so that it has no time.

if you want, you can add it
 
I would also like to suggest that you add resistance time stop for travellers, so that they can travel once with this CRT.
The traveller is unaffected by the frozen time when he meets his sibling.
this one is weird but i can agree
Timeless realms do not grant resistance to time manip or speed in general this just means place has no conventional time so even if u enter with or without time resist u can move around freely
 
Yeah, no, i already saw two important evidences are a link toward Genshin Impact wiki, i had said this before, please using the scans from the game
 
Yeah, no, i already saw two important evidences are a link toward Genshin Impact wiki, i had said this before, please using the scans from the game
I can help by providing a scan of the game directly, maybe OP can help too. It will just take a little time.
 
Yeah, no, i already saw two important evidences are a link toward Genshin Impact wiki, i had said this before, please using the scans from the game
The Genshin wiki explains more detail about the Descenders, but, the first context of what is the Descender is coming from this.


So this is a common knowledge to us/genshin community, that the Descenders are the external beings that does not belong to the world of Teyvat. They're not bound to the laws of the world such as the Fate System of it, the proof is that the Traveler does not have a Constellation or Stella Fortuna because they/descenders themselves can defy and rival the world. And the one who established the Laws itself is a Descender which is the Heavenly Principles as stated in the book called "Scroll of Streaming Song":
"You speak of the universal law created in heaven, the divine laws established in the beginning."
"No one has seen the eternal law, yet it governs all."
"One may only bow down and worship Vaana of the heavenly spirits — no arrogation, deception, or trickery is permitted."
"If one dares to imitate the forbidden arts, only calamity awaits at the edge of divine knowledge."
Im using the wiki for some of them because its faster and basically its also direct source from the game.
 
Yeah, no, no hard feeling, but faster or not, we all using direct source from the game, wiki page can be edited, it is already a red flag on it own, especially after the whole situation with the Absolute Infinity wikipedia page and DOOM wiki page was edited for powerscaling purpose

I will look into these evidences when i have time
 
Yeah, no, no hard feeling, but faster or not, we all using direct source from the game, wiki page can be edited, it is already a red flag on it own, especially after the whole situation with the Absolute Infinity wikipedia page and DOOM wiki page was edited for powerscaling purpose

I will look into these evidences when i have time
And im not that kind of person who edited some of the words from the wiki for this purpose and i dont have any time to do that anyway.
Don't worry, you'll never find me/supporters in here editing those things.

(Also later? While i need it now? T_)
 
You or supporters doesn't edit the wiki doesn't mean you can use it as evidence, because wiki can be easily edited, you can't "directly edit statement in the scan"
 
Oh yeah i can for some of them and i've been doing that on my CRTs before, the wiki itself have direct sources from the game such as a books, the descriptions and others.

Yeah the wiki can be easily edited but by who? Do you have an evidence we edited those things? No. Only the ones who responsible in there.

And i can guaranteed you that all of them are 100% Accurate, i remember all of those words on the wiki from the game (im not a loreskipper)
 
Bro, this isn't about trusting issue, it is about the wiki can be easily edited, that mean information are constantly subjected to change, you can't do that with direct evidence from game either, fake scans is a different thing, which can be easily fact-checked, with wiki page no want have time to go through edit history to see what is the right.

And i can guaranteed you that all of them are 100% Accurate, i remember all of those words on the wiki from the game (im not a loreskipper)
Aren't no way, you are literally pulling a "trust me bro" here
 
Bro, this isn't about trusting issue, it is about the wiki can be easily edited, that mean information are constantly subjected to change, you can't do that with direct evidence from game either, fake scans is a different thing, which can be easily fact-checked, with wiki page no want have time to go through edit history to see what is the right.
It is subject to change when the new lore is dropped, it doesn't mean they can change it whenever they want, so its only change if we got some confirmations or new informations, not something like they edited it to whatever they wants/headcanons.
 
Like This one of my scan for example, this is directly from the game item description, this is 100% accurate and and theres no any big reasons for people to change this.
 
Content Revision Threads need to be supported by scans, quotes, video clips, accepted calculations, or any other direct proof that claimed events actually happened in the source material. In the absence of this evidence, CRTs may be closed without notice.
Yeah no, you should bring direct scans, not wiki page
 
Rather than arguing about something unimportant, it's better to prepare a scan of the game, we can't justify it if it comes from the wiki instead of the game, I will help to prepare the scans needed, but not today, because I'm quite busy
It is subject to change when the new lore is dropped, it doesn't mean they can change it whenever they want, so its only change if we got some confirmations or new informations, not something like they edited it to whatever they wants/headcanons.
 
Rather than arguing about something unimportant, it's better to prepare a scan of the game, we can't justify it if it comes from the wiki instead of the game, I will help to prepare the scans needed, but not today, because I'm quite busy
You guys can take your time, the thread or the verse isn't going anywhere
 
Yeah, no, no hard feeling, but faster or not, we all using direct source from the game, wiki page can be edited, it is already a red flag on it own, especially after the whole situation with the Absolute Infinity wikipedia page and DOOM wiki page was edited for powerscaling purpose
its funny how staff itself is aware of this issue and has done nothing about it, in fact one instance here was literally supported but now the info from wiki (official FANDOM wiki) backed up by Game itself is not? crazy
 
Time being frozen, is just well, kind of like a timeless void so you wouldn't get any resistance except if you're in the range where time becomes frozen and you're unaffected by it. Traveler's case, it's more of like he entered a realm in which time is already frozen there, which in itself isn't a resistance
 
Traveler's case, it's more of like he entered a realm in which time is already frozen there, which in itself isn't a resistance
No, time in that realm wasn't frozen yet until his sibling is about to show up, you literally can see it time is suddenly being frozen.
 
No, time in that realm wasn't frozen yet until his sibling is about to show up, you literally can see it time is suddenly being frozen.
Time was already frozen there, it's meant to show us what happened in there 500 years ago
 
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