Aizen vs. Kyogre

[SuperKamiNappa]

Speed Equalized
who wins and why?

 

[Cropfist]

Aizen via illusions and mindhax.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Does his mind hax work on animals? Because Kyogre is basically a whale. Plus, Absolute Zero in Sheer Cold is a thing.

 

[Cropfist]

I don't see why not and Sheer Cold isn't Absolute Zero. If it was it would kill any Pokemon it's used on.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

This is the same franchise where the strongest 2-C can be defeated by a Ratatta with the right set. Also, it's a OHKO move in canon anyway.

 

[Cropfist]

Only because of game mechanics and the fact that targeted Pokemon still canonically survive it means it isn't Absolute Zero.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's called Absolute Zero in the description.

 

[Cropfist]

It's effects clearly don't match said description.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It ignores durability. Anyone from Pikachu to Arceus can be defeated by it. And again, this is the franchise where Kyogre can be defeated by a Lanturn. A Garchomp can out speed Palkia.

 

[Cropfist]

Again, game mechanics.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

So is the fact that they don't die. Only one Pokemon has died throughout the 20 years of the series.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

OHKO moves do actually OHKO in the anime and manga so it's not just a game mechanic.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The description of a move shouldnt be discarded just because game mechanics. There's nothing concrete that proves Sheer Cold isnt absolute zero.

That said, the only way Aizen can win this is if his mind hax can work on Kyogre and doenst Kyogre have mind hax of his own?

 

[Cropfist]

Except Pokemon have been shown canonically surviving the attack in the anime and manga. Also, only one? The Lucario from Movie 8? The Latios from Movie 5? Ash's Pikachu's has died thrice, etc.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

They survive but they still get knocked out.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I was talking about in the games. And I don't recall Pikachu dying ever.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

Didn't AZ's Floette canonically die, thus leading him to build the ultimate weapon to bring it back to life?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Pikachu has never died in the anime at all except for the Diancie movie

When has Sheer Cold even been used in the anime?

 

[Cropfist]

He died in The Tower of Terror and Arceus and the Jewel of Life. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sheer_Cold_(move)#In_the_anime

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

Sheer Cold has been used in the episodes

May, We Harley Drew'd Ya!

Pikachu's Ice Adventure

Survival of the Striaton Gym!

The Beartic Mountain Feud!

The Mighty Accelguard to the Rescue!

Mega Evolution Special I

Mega Evolution Special III

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Um idk about the Tower of Terror but i know for a fact Pikachu didnt die in Arceus and the Jewel of Life. Unless....was it when time erased Pikachu?

Kk.

 

[Reppuzan]

Not voting, just piping in:

Sheer Cold's original Japanese name was "Absolute Zero" (Òü£ÒüúÒüƒÒüäÒéîÒüäÒü®)

In addition, its official description as of the most recent games:

"The target is attacked with a blast of absolute-zero cold."

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

I'm also sceptically about calling what happened in Tower of Tower as "death".

I'd also like to point out once again that AZ's FLoette died in the cannon of the games.

 

[Cropfist]

Said "blast of absolute-zero cold" doesn't canonically kill the Pokemon it hits.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I'd like to add that the point is that no Pokémon dies in traditional Pokémon Battles. Ever IIRC. Much like how Charizard being KO'd by Groudon wasn't taken as a dura feat since they won't have him actually die.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

There are instances of pokemon killing other pokemon in the manga.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

The Arbok one was a zombie if that's what you're talking about.

Even then, Manga =/= Anime or Game.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Well, if i remeber correctly in the orginal red, blue and green games, we did kill gary's ratta and cubones mother was killed by team rocket's pokemon soo

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

I was thinking about in chapter 23 when Giovanni has his Cloyster kill wild Magmar.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

The Raticate thing is nothing more than fan speculation, but that is true about the Marowak that was killed.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

How is it even canonical tho? Sheer Cold has never been used in a cutscene or legit event in-verse just game mechanics so there's nothing that actually disproves it.

 

[Cropfist]

I'd like to point out even if it was Absolute Zero it wouldn't kill Aizen. Aizen has immortality and otherwise Rukia would've been able to.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

Rukia never tried because they were on the same side at the end.

 

[Cropfist]

Immortality should still help with that.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

Fair enough, but regardless of wether it's actual absolute zero it is still a one-hit KO move and those do work in the anime, at the very least guillatine does can't really remember sheer cold specifically, even if Aizen can't be killed sheer cold will still knock him out.

 

[Cropfist]

fair enough. My vote's still on Aizen via superior haxes.

 

[Volundox]

Sheer Cold will at the very least BFR Aizen. Theres no way for his body or brain to function if hes frozen on a molecular level.

 

[Cropfist]

That's not how BFR works.

 

[Volundox]

BFR/KO however we wanna put it Aizens gonna be taken out of the battle as soon as hes hit with Sheer Cold

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Sheer Cold doesnt have anything to do with BFR however given the entire planet's oceans and seas are under Kyogre's juristiction cant he BFR Aizen somehow doing that?