Aku Abstract Existence

[Eneseditzm0]

Hello, today I opened this crt to clarify the subject of abstract existence, which is a subject I have been thinking about for a long time. Anyway, let's get to the topic.


For Aku and Blackmass abstract existence (Type 2) and Jack Sword (Cm2 because it contains the concept of goodness.) :As said by Aku Jack, he is the personified of evil and is an evil born from darkness, that is, from the black mass,(pit of hate).As shown in the series, Aku can never be destroyed without Jack's sword and holy powers, sword which are made from human virtue,holy powers and goodness. Aku itself can be continually renewed unless it is completely destroyed, meaning that as long as its embodiment still exists, the aku is immortal,In the episode where he enters Jack's body, it is said that if Jack cannot use the goodness within him, he cannot defeat Aku and Aku begins to swallow the goodness and regenerates himself in Jack's body.The sword does not harm the good, but it does harm the bad.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I don't consider myself AE or CM expert as we do have strict standards, but so far I think it might be alright.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

I don't consider myself AE or CM expert as we do have strict standards, but so far I think it might be alright.

So if you've watched Samurai Jack at least a little, you'll understand that the events take place conceptually, but the flow of this CRT will determine this event.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Bump

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Bump

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I'm fine with the abstract existence of Aku

 

[Eneseditzm0]

I'm fine with the abstract existence of Aku

The rest, Jack's sword must definitely be because the gods say so and Aku took this evil from Darkmass so Darkmass must embody this concept of evil.

 

[Arkenis]

I don’t see how this is cm2. The goodness is from people it isn’t the concept of goodness nor is it the concept of goodness which governs goodness. This is just purification for the sword

 

[Eneseditzm0]

I don’t see how this is cm2. The goodness is from people it isn’t the concept of goodness nor is it the concept of goodness which governs goodness. This is just purification for the sword

Bro, but we know that the sword is made of the goodness within a person, the goodness we assume in a person is the concept of goodness as we know it, and this is suitable for cm2.

 

[Arkenis]

Bro, but we know that the sword is made of the goodness within a person, the goodness we assume in a person is the concept of goodness as we know it, and this is suitable for cm2.

Why would we assume its the concept? And how is this cm2? Cm2 needs to govern what they influence besides the fact concept is never mentioned, this goodness is something from within likely some aspect of energy in the verse.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Why would we assume its the concept? And how is this cm2? Cm2 needs to govern what they influence besides the fact concept is never mentioned, this goodness is something from within likely some aspect of energy in the verse.

In the episode where Aku captured the samurai, Jack defeated Aku by using the goodness within himself, and the gods turned the goodness within the emperor into a sword. Wouldn't the sword be cm2 or at least cm3?

 

[Arkenis]

In the episode where Aku captured the samurai, Jack defeated Aku by using the goodness within himself, and the gods turned the goodness within the emperor into a sword. Wouldn't the sword be cm2 or at least cm3?

Unless there’s more explanation on what goodness is, I think this is just purification.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Unless there’s more explanation on what goodness is, I think this is just purification.

So what do you think about the others?

 

[Arkenis]

So what do you think about the others?

I didn’t see where Blackmass was mentioned, can you tell me where that is cm2?

 

[Eneseditzm0]

I didn’t see where Blackmass was mentioned, can you tell me where that is cm2?

Aku is the personification of evil but he came into being from the pit of hate, the pit of hate was blackmass itself and aku came into being from there, aku is the embodiment of pure darkness and evil.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

I didn’t see where Blackmass was mentioned, can you tell me where that is cm2?

Since Aku came into being from the pit of hatred, this pit must contain evil because Aku is actually the reincarnation of this evil and both are referred to as evil by the gods.

 

[Arkenis]

Aku is the personification of evil but he came into being from the pit of hate, the pit of hate was blackmass itself and aku came into being from there, aku is the embodiment of pure darkness and evil.

Where is the darkness thing said?

Since Aku came into being from the pit of hatred, this pit must contain evil because Aku is actually the reincarnation of this evil and both are referred to as evil by the gods.

That doesn’t mean its evil.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Where is the darkness thing said?


That doesn’t mean its evil.

My friend, it may not be cm2, the dark mass is the previous state of aku, then it reincarnated as aku, it will be ae2 but it will not be cm2

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

What you've written and what I see are not lining up. The sword was made from righteous energy, and unless righteous energy is a concept, it doesn't count as CM. If anyone else can confirm what you've said about Aku, I can agree with it though.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

What you've written and what I see are not lining up. The sword was made from righteous energy, and unless righteous energy is a concept, it doesn't count as CM. If anyone else can confirm what you've said about Aku, I can agree with it though.

You are right about the sword, I gave up on it, we need to call another fair Admin for Aku.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Does Aku is embodiment of concept/information/thought/emotion? Bc:

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it. This power has a variety of uses, ranging from a high degree of control over the abstraction and its manifestations, the aforementioned immortality, or even being unaffected by abilities that can't target the abstraction.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Does Aku is embodiment of concept/information/thought/emotion? Bc:

It is explicitly stated by Jack that Aku is the personification of evil and is described as evil.The gods and many others declare him to be evil.It is referred to in many sections as being conceptual, for example, if there is no goodness, aku cannot be destroyed.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So the definition of the power:

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it. This power has a variety of uses, ranging from a high degree of control over the abstraction and its manifestations, the aforementioned immortality, or even being unaffected by abilities that can't target the abstraction.

Embodying a concept is not enough to obtain this ability, an abstract needs feats or reliable statements proving that the concept they represent grants them Immortality/Regeneration or control over the abstraction.

Beware that the abstract nature of different characters can stem from different sources (rumors, concepts, possibilities,...), as such, being able to affect a subtype of a category does not mean a character can affect all types of abstraction.

What the proposal is

For Aku and Blackmass abstract existence (Type 2) and Jack Sword (Cm2 because it contains the concept of goodness.) :As said by Aku Jack, he is the personified of evil and is an evil born from darkness, that is, from the black mass,(pit of hate)

So contextually this is Jack showing Ashi what Aku is doing to the world. When she asks why he'd do this, Jack is explaining his mindset.

To me this isn't implying that Aku is the conceptualized personification of evil, as much as just evil to his core being.

.As shown in the series, Aku can never be destroyed without Jack's sword and holy powers, sword which are made from human virtue,holy powers and goodness. Aku itself can be continually renewed unless it is completely destroyed, meaning that as long as its embodiment still exists, the aku is immortal,In the episode where he enters Jack's body, it is said that if Jack cannot use the goodness within him, he cannot defeat Aku and Aku begins to swallow the goodness and regenerates himself in Jack's body.The sword does not harm the good, but it does harm the bad.

Now here we reach a pretty hard stop. Because this is the direct qualification for Type 2

Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.

In order for Aku to qualify for Type 2, you'd need to prove that you would have to conceptually destroy evil for him to stop coming back. Which isn't what needs to happen.

If you can prove that Jack destroyed evil as a concept in killing Aku I agree. If not then its Immortality Type 8 if I'm reading it right.

If anyone else can confirm what you've said about Aku, I can agree with it though.

For Jack in my mind its more like, Holy Manipulation + Power Negation rather than CSM2. He's not manipulating or using Goodness as a concept, just that the blade itself is blessed and counters Aku. Its why Aku would be vaporized and destroyed if he squared up with Ra as an example. They don't negate the concept as much as negate Aku himself.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

So the definition of the power:

What the proposal is

So contextually this is Jack showing Ashi what Aku is doing to the world. When she asks why he'd do this, Jack is explaining his mindset.

To me this isn't implying that Aku is the conceptualized personification of evil, as much as just evil to his core being.

Now here we reach a pretty hard stop. Because this is the direct qualification for Type 2

In order for Aku to qualify for Type 2, you'd need to prove that you would have to conceptually destroy evil for him to stop coming back. Which isn't what needs to happen.

If you can prove that Jack destroyed evil as a concept in killing Aku I agree. If not then its Immortality Type 8 if I'm reading it right.

For Jack in my mind its more like, Holy Manipulation + Power Negation rather than CSM2. He's not manipulating or using Goodness as a concept, just that the blade itself is blessed and counters Aku. Its why Aku would be vaporized and destroyed if he squared up with Ra as an example. They don't negate the concept as much as negate Aku himself.

So the definition of the power:

What the proposal is

So contextually this is Jack showing Ashi what Aku is doing to the world. When she asks why he'd do this, Jack is explaining his mindset.

To me this isn't implying that Aku is the conceptualized personification of evil, as much as just evil to his core being.

Now here we reach a pretty hard stop. Because this is the direct qualification for Type 2

In order for Aku to qualify for Type 2, you'd need to prove that you would have to conceptually destroy evil for him to stop coming back. Which isn't what needs to happen.

If you can prove that Jack destroyed evil as a concept in killing Aku I agree. If not then its Immortality Type 8 if I'm reading it right.

For Jack in my mind its more like, Holy Manipulation + Power Negation rather than CSM2. He's not manipulating or using Goodness as a concept, just that the blade itself is blessed and counters Aku. Its why Aku would be vaporized and destroyed if he squared up with Ra as an example. They don't negate the concept as much as negate Aku himself.

The point here is, the Holy power is one of the greatest powers in the universe, Jack's sword is also connected to this event and if you look at the series, it was created not to harm the good but to destroy the evil, it is explained in the episode "jack infection" that Aku can be defeated by using the goodness in a person. The sword destroyed Aku in a way separate from the concept, there is a note about this on the page. "Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it."If I'm not mistaken, in conceptual manip type 1 you need to destroy the concept, but in type 2 you only need to destroy the abstraction.You can defeat Aku with the concept we call goodness that exists within humans, or you can achieve this with the most magical power in the universe.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I think AE Type 2 works for Aku in my opinion.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

What you've written and what I see are not lining up. The sword was made from righteous energy, and unless righteous energy is a concept, it doesn't count as CM. If anyone else can confirm what you've said about Aku, I can agree with it though.

Another admin accepted, do you accept?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I still do not see enough evidence of AE Type 2. Right now what Qawsed stated reflects my mindset.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

2 agree for Abstract Existence, so you can close this

 

[Eneseditzm0]

2 agree for Abstract Existence, so you can close this

actually yes, the other 2 admins are undecided and one of them didn't even respond to me.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Agreed: @DarkDragonMedeus @LordGriffin1000

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

2 agree for Abstract Existence, so you can close this

actually yes, the other 2 admins are undecided and one of them didn't even respond to me.

Uh, no. Two staff agreeing and two disagreeing doesn't mean the CRT is accepted, at all.

If you made any changes to the profile undo them.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Uh, no. Two staff agreeing and two disagreeing doesn't mean the CRT is accepted, at all.

If you made any changes to the profile undo them.

I understand, I didn't make any changes, you said you agree with qasdfw, will you approve if I convince him too?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I understand, I didn't make any changes, you said you agree with qasdfw, will you approve if I convince him too?

If can you can make a more convincing argument for AE Type 2 that convinces him or me the CRT can be accepted.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

If can you can make a more convincing argument for AE Type 2 that convinces him or me the CRT can be accepted.

The biggest example for this is in the episode of aku infection, jack defeated aku by using the goodness inside him and there they told jack "you can't defeat aku without the goodness inside you" the gods told jack's father this at the very beginning, the reason I said there was goodness in the sword was because jack's father took the goodness inside him and brought it to the sword and blessed it, when jack lost the good side inside him with anger the sword left him, since he was a good person the sword didn't damage him, also completely destroying the Concept is for type 1 because people with type 1 are direct concepts, for type 2 it seems enough to destroy the abstraction attached to that concept.You can also stop Aku's regeneration with this favor or even defeat him.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Uh, no. Two staff agreeing and two disagreeing doesn't mean the CRT is accepted, at all.

If you made any changes to the profile undo them.

Oh sorry I thought you were agree with it

 

[Eneseditzm0]

If can you can make a more convincing argument for AE Type 2 that convinces him or me the CRT can be accepted.

I am waiting for your answer. It is not necessary to destroy the concept in ae2, ae2 should only be destroyed in abstraction, the concept is destroyed for ae1.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If you destroy the abstraction of evil, your still destroying all evil in the world. Just not the concept of evil. Evil as something in the world doesn't disappear just because Aku is gone.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

If you destroy the abstraction of evil, your still destroying all evil in the world. Just not the concept of evil. Evil as something in the world doesn't disappear just because Aku is gone.

No, this is for type 1, the person who has type 1 is a direct concept, so destroying him will directly destroy all evil because the concept will be destroyed, but type 2 is only related to the concept, destroying him will not destroy the concept.In other words, a type 2 person is a concretization of the concept; the disappearance of that concretization does not end the existence of the concept, it only proves the end of the concretization.Also, evil continues because the concept still exists.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

If you destroy the abstraction of evil, your still destroying all evil in the world. Just not the concept of evil. Evil as something in the world doesn't disappear just because Aku is gone.

What you said is not written on the wiki.