Alien X vs Unicron | 2-8-2 (Grace)

[Hellformer]

So should i change ur vote to incon

Yeah unless and until someone comes with a better argument

 

[Hellformer]

Yo @Greenshifter

 

[Brogeefrong]

Big foot

 

[Uzukeas]

voting Alien X FRA

 

[Brogeefrong]

bump

 

[Uzukeas]

Does Unicron have any answers to body puppetry?

 

[Brogeefrong]

Does Unicron have any answers to body puppetry?

Madness + Morality + Empathic Manip, although Alien X's main wincon is thought based EE

 

[Brogeefrong]

Bump

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I will also vote Incon FRA

 

[Catbowtie]

Voting for Alien X because of Thought Based Existence Erasure. In the Spark Scan, the Ystian had time to wonder what happened before being driven insane. If Unicorn's madness works in the same way, Alien X wins.

an attack that the victim does to themselves

Not sure what this means. That Unicorn's Madness + Morality + Empathic Manipulation Hacks goes all the way to the main body? From it's puppet looking at it?

Anyways, voting Alien X For Reasons Above.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Not sure what this means. That Unicorn's Madness + Morality + Empathic Manipulation Hacks goes all the way to the main body? From it's puppet looking at it?

More like Alien X sees something and gets convinced into losing

 

[Catbowtie]

SBA would say that it'd still try to Thought-Based Existence Erasure it. Going to stand by my vote for Alien X.

 

[Brogeefrong]

SBA would say that it'd still try to Thought-Based Existence Erasure it.

Nah SBA has this "This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma"

 

[Catbowtie]

I misread your comment LOL. It depends on how it "gets convinced into losing" does it just, not do anything? Self-sabotage?

 

[Brogeefrong]

I misread your comment LOL. It depends on how it "gets convinced into losing" does it just, not do anything? Self-sabotage?

He either gets driven mad and cant fight anymore, or gets convinced to join the evil side and fight for Unicron

 

[Brogeefrong]

btw how in character is it for Alien X to start with EE?

 

[Catbowtie]

 

[Brogeefrong]

pmub

 

[Shadyboi0]

btw how in character is it for Alien X to start with EE?

Last I checked, and it's been a while since I've seen Ben 10, not really at all.

 

[Brogeefrong]

So isnt it more likely for Alien X to go mad before he would use EE

 

[Shadyboi0]

So isnt it more likely for Alien X to go mad before he would use EE

Maybe? I think so, but idk.

 

[Aolphl]

btw how in character is it for Alien X to start with EE?

There's one thing I've never understood, which is that Existence Erasure for Alien X is considered a wincon in a real sense. Alien X has never used Existence Erasure, neither against Galactic Gladiator, nor against Amalgam Kids... Another strange part of the situation is that the Existence Erasure that Alien X has is only based on the words of other characters (Servantis, Kevin)...

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

btw how in character is it for Alien X to start with EE?

See, this confuses me, because I don't remember anytime he's used it onscreen, other than the statement.

Plus Unicron's madness hax is passive. It comes from him just merely existing. And afaik, Alien X doesn't have resistance to such a thing.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Bump

 

[Robo432343]

Plus Unicron's madness hax is passive. It comes from him just merely existing. And afaik, Alien X doesn't have resistance to such a thing.

Unicron's madness hax has 21-D range
it will never affect Alien X's consciousness which you need 26-D range to interact with

 

[Brogeefrong]

Unicron's madness hax has 21-D range
it will never affect Alien X's consciousness which you need 26-D range to interact with

His Madness Hax ignores range

 

[Robo432343]

His Madness Hax ignores range

no it does not, his range is 21-D
also that is a massive NLF
if his madness hax ignores range, using this logic that would mean his madness hax would work on people whose existence is 1-A

 

[Brogeefrong]

no it does not, his range is 21-D
also that is a massive NLF
if his madness hax ignores range, using this logic that would mean his madness hax would work on people whose existence is 1-A

It works because it's an attack that the victim does to themselves, and on the resistence page, it says it should be able to work on HDE and R>F as long there is no resistence

 

[Brogeefrong]

Soooo if its questionable that X starts with EE Im going Unicron Fra

 

[Shadyboi0]

Unicron fra

 

[Aolphl]

See, this confuses me, because I don't remember anytime he's used it onscreen, other than the statement.

He never used it. It's just based on statements of other characters. And the statements look rather suspicious, probably wank...

Plus Unicron's madness hax is passive. It comes from him just merely existing. And afaik, Alien X doesn't have resistance to such a thing.

Unicron Fra

 

[Brogeefrong]

brump

 

[Tomfer]

Unicron FRA.

 

[Brogeefrong]

bump

 

[Unknownnah]

Unicron FRA

 

[Brogeefrong]

bump

 

[ShionAH]

Alien X literally has never used EE in any battle he was in. Saying Alien Xs starting move is EE just blatant lying.

Unicron the goat FRA

 

[Catbowtie]

Alien X literally has never used EE in any battle he was in

Really? Then changing my vote to Unicorn. Anything else but immediate Existence Erasure would give Alien X the L.

 

[Robo432343]

unicorn fra

 

[Uzukeas]

isn't this a stomp then?