Alucard vs Lucy

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Schrödinger showed no combat capability, and neither did alucard with Schrödinger's powers. As far as we know, he's been reduced to normal human levels but with immortality. There's no way for him to win, he can't beat her durability.


Endgame Lucy has the capability to wipe out the entire human race in a matter of hours; that's billions of people. That means it would take her, at most, a few minutes to kill all of Level 0 Alucard's souls and kill him for real.

no way to win? dude, i wrote it down dozins of times, he outlast and lucy dies of starvation

 

[DemiserofD]

We have no specifications for where they're fighting, so what gives the impression she couldn't acquire food?

Heck, with the capacity to run millions of Vectors simultaneously, she could feed herself and murder Alucard repeatedly at the same time with no effort.

The only thing she might die of would be old age.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

We have no specifications for where they're fighting, so what gives the impression she couldn't acquire food?
Heck, with the capacity to run millions of Vectors simultaneously, she could feed herself and murder Alucard repeatedly at the same time with no effort.

The only thing she might die of would be old age.

then she dies of old age, she still dies

 

[Akreious]

Alucard simply can't die or lose in this. He has absolutely insane regen, even moreso in the Post Schrödinger form (also, whoever says Alucard got weaker post Schrödinger is downplaying hard. Nothing at all implies he got weaker, only that he got Schrödingers powers). And if you want to argue about the war of attrition, Alucard goes on a crusade consuming every livestock, human, fish, animal and bulldozing nigh all edible foods from plants causing Lucy to starve to death. Please come back to me when Lucy suddenly gets regen negation on Alucard's Level. It's no use if you can splatter him time and time again, he will keep coming back and keep chipping away at Lucy until she gives out. Death by a million papercuts sort of thing.

 

[DemiserofD]

His insane power came from his stockpile of souls, which he had to kill all but two of in order to rediscover his individuality. So there's IS a good argument for why he should be less powerful now than he was before, he's lost the vast majority of his power stockpile. And he can't get more or risk losing his individuality again, so he's stuck there.

Furthermore, if we're talking level 0 alucard, the larger he becomes to consume more souls, the bigger target he makes, which means he loses souls more rapidly than he can consume them. And his maximum number of souls would still be the same as the population of the earth, which lucy can wipe out in a few hours!

So again, there's no way for alucard to win. Even if he does survive until Lucy dies of old age, she can have descendents, which is the whole purpose of the diclonii genome, each of which would have its own vectors perfectly capable of continuing to tear alucard to shreds.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

His insane power came from his stockpile of souls, which he had to kill all but two of in order to rediscover his individuality. So there's IS a good argument for why he should be less powerful now than he was before, he's lost the vast majority of his power stockpile. And he can't get more or risk losing his individuality again, so he's stuck there.
Furthermore, if we're talking level 0 alucard, the larger he becomes to consume more souls, the bigger target he makes, which means he loses souls more rapidly than he can consume them. And his maximum number of souls would still be the same as the population of the earth, which lucy can wipe out in a few hours!

So again, there's no way for alucard to win. Even if he does survive until Lucy dies of old age, she can have descendents, which is the whole purpose of the diclonii genome, each of which would have its own vectors perfectly capable of continuing to tear alucard to shreds.

no, he power came from himself, hes resurection came from souls. this is shown by level zero, as he is still as powerfull phisicly as he always was

no, we are talking about schördinger. the one that can resurrect from nonexictence

decsendents? how? that would need OTHER PEAPOLE. either to impregnate her or for her to "infect". thats outside help. and that doesent count as a win either. and by that logic alucard could wait until the sun destroys the earth

 

[Heilergott]

You know, if this fight is in Elfenlied, Alucard might just eat a Diclonius. And then shit will go down.

 

[Akreious]

You guys realize that the whole "One soul per ressurection" thing is just that; a theory. It is never actually confirmed in the series and only hypothesized upon.

And if Lucy gets descendants, that means Lucy herself died which is a victory for Alucard.

 

[Heilergott]

Huh? Seras did not need ANY soul to survive lethal hits. Hell, even Abraham Hellsing, the guy who beat him, could not find a way to kill Alucard (because, you know, if he did, Alucard would not be alive) so it is really doubtable if pure physical damage even CAN kill him. The only real damage he ever really got was done by "a spark of mircale" from the Nail of Christ powered Anderson.

 

[Akreious]

Sad thing is, Alucard still basically tanked the Nail of Christ afterwards with little reprucussions to his actual fighting power (With anger towards Anderson of course) despite it being like.... the most holy object in the entire world basically. One of his "Weaknesses"

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Sad thing is, Alucard still basically tanked the Nail of Christ afterwards with little reprucussions to his actual fighting power (With anger towards Anderson of course) despite it being like.... the most holy object in the entire world basically. One of his "Weaknesses"

and whit no souls in him to boot

 

[DemiserofD]

The only reason Alucard survived the Nail of Helena was because Anderson got distracted by Seras enough for Alucard to make a sneak attack and rip Anderson's heart out, and with it, his offensive capability. He was already accepting his death before that took place.

That said, Helena's Nail's only real power was releasing all of his souls from his control and allowing him to die in the first place. Otherwise, why mention it at all? Also indirectly confirming that it was his souls that allowed his seeming invulnerability.

If we're talking about his level 0 'city-blood-wave' attack, those are literally the souls of everyone he's eaten in the last 500 years, so taking those away takes away a huge part of his offensive capacity, at the very least. Remember that he couldn't even kill a low regenerator like Alexander Anderson without upgrading his equipment in the first episode. His raw destructive power never goes much higher than that, as you never even see him destroying buildings, merely flowing around them or phasing through them.

He can't break through her durability, and that leaves only outwaiting her.

And if your only means of victory is waiting until the other party dies of old age, that's not a victory.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And if your only means of victory is waiting until the other party dies of old age, that's not a victory.

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thats plain out stupid. there are multiple fights that need someone waiting out the enemies death. composite three is an exemple. its a victory until if enemy dies and the other doesent. you just dont want lucy to lose

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Most of the Tree's victories involved it infecting its opponents with toxins that killed them.

The only exception (that I can remember) was The Authority, who got ripped apart by a light breeze like he always does.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

the point still stands. as long as the enemie dies its still a victory

 

[Akreious]

Actually, a kill by outlasting is still valid. If your opponent never actually beats you and you literally just age them to death, you'd technically win via getting the last laugh. And still being alive.

 

[LordAizenSama]

This is Lucy from Elfen lied?

I don't see how she can win against Post-Schrodinger Alucard. He can also enter her mind and probably f it up from the inside

 

[LordAizenSama]

Actually, a kill by outlasting is still valid. If your opponent never actually beats you and you literally just age them to death, you'd technically win via getting the last laugh. And still being alive.

Ive not seen a Vs match be decided like that. Would be interesting

 

[LordGinSama]

This is Lucy from Elfen lied?

I don't see how she can win against Post-Schrodinger Alucard. He can also enter her mind and probably f it up from the inside

Basically this. Lucy can't do much hear meanwhile Alucard has the means to kill her with Quantum Reality Manipulation.

 

[DemiserofD]

Schrodinger never showed any ability to cause damage from inside the person's mind. Therefore we can't assume that Alucard can, either.

Most of Alucard's power came from his pool of souls. This is directly referenced in his defeat scene, where his level zero release is made up of the physical embodiment of the many souls he has consumed, which are also referenced by the eyes covering him.

In order to survive, he needed to kill all three million of them, meaning he no longer has their power available. Recall that the vast majority of his destructive power in his level 0 release did not come from himself, but from the vampires he had eaten, specifically Rip van Winkle's magic bullet and the Dandy Man's magic cards. That is all gone in his Schrodinger form. He's so weak he's shot to the ground by Sir Integra with a low-calibre pistol, and we're never shown anything to contradict that feat.

He's reduced to his base form, which we really should have individual stats for now that I think about it.

If we're going to count just outliving your opponent as a victory, then he wins. By that standard, however, we'd have to re-evaluate an awful lot of vs fights, as basically any fight where a character can run away and either has a longer lifespan or is younger than the opponent, they can automatically win as long as they can escape.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

If we're going to count just outliving your opponent as a victory, then he wins. By that standard, however, we'd have to re-evaluate an awful lot of vs fights, as basically any fight where a character can run away and either has a longer lifespan or is younger than the opponent, they can automatically win as long as they can escape.

but that is alwazs counted, look at kyubeys battles, he tends to win via outliving

 

[DemiserofD]

Neither of Kyubey's victories were notably conclusive, and both had confusion as to whether simply outlasting constitutes a win when it's also incapable of dealing damage.


I think this is something we need to decide; the site is called Vs BATTLES, not VS 'who can run away the longest'. Does it really fit the theme of the discussion to count these sorts of 'victories' as true wins?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Neither of Kyubey's victories were notably conclusive, and both had confusion as to whether simply outlasting constitutes a win when it's also incapable of dealing damage.

I think this is something we need to decide; the site is called Vs BATTLES, not VS 'who can run away the longest'. Does it really fit the theme of the discussion to count these sorts of 'victories' as true wins?

he doesent run away, he simply tanks, and outlasting is more than a fair way to win

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

ow do you think composite tree so many victories?

 

[NoName666]

Alucard's power not all from others souls he have, most of the powers and regention he have solely from himself, by what has shown in his release lvl 0, most of his souls are normal soldiers. After get all contain souls wiped out by the relic, he still able to regen, break free from Anderson blade and able to rip his heart out, so saying Alucard's powers are from the souls he consume is wrong. And after he has kill all the souls to realize himself post Schrödinger's power absorb, he will still have most of his power.

Lucy have country durable because of her vectors, not herself. If she get shot by a caliber, she will hurt, and bleed normally even die, so if Alucard can make a direct hit by his high-caliber gun, Lucy will die.

Even so, Lucy's vectors are massively hypersonic, and we don't know what Alucard is capable of after he get Schrödinger's power, so base on Schrödinger's feat has shown in the series, Alucard can easily teleport next to her with his gun loaded, or even inside her brain and rip out from the inside then Alucard murder this one.