Amon vs Ren Fuji

[Schnee_One]

Wow, someone that might be able to fight his 5B self.

Speed is Equalized (FTL for both) and both are 5B.

Ren Fuji: 5

Devilma:

Incon: 2

 

[Huesito88]

Wait Devilman is 5-B

and FTL?

Then there's quite a few people he can battle =)

 

[Warren_Valion]

Following.

 

[ALRF]

Devilman is 1.2 c

Ren Fuji is between 7 to 9 c as FTL

Speedblitz?

 

[Schnee_One]

Equal then

 

[ALRF]

RIP

This becomes the usual "Can Devilman throw his hax fast enough before Ren Fuji speedblitz him?"

Like...i dunno if Devilman acausality prevents Ren's time slow from working. But even then, Ren Fuji has a 1-A curse + time speed amp that can boost his base speed by a 3000 amount

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I can see this match become incon due of who will shoot first,but i will wait for further input.

 

[Hizack123]

Holy cow....i can see ren win this

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

About that 3000 times thing... wasn't Machina still able to keep up with him from the start of activating his ability to the end? Even while fully trying to kill him?

Because there was a talk on multipliers done recently, and I believe it was mentioned that multipliers would not be treated as legit if they were contradicted by the events of the story - and Machina being able to keep up with Ren, even after Ren boosted his speed X3000 would be a contradiction.

 

[ALRF]

Marie route you mean? That was 5-B Machina as all swastikas were open.

And wasn't it also stated he got faster due to him having the same soul as Ren too?

 

[ALRF]

It should also be remembered the 3000 boost was the Ren who achieved his true form of Overture which is >>>> Ren first time Briah which had a 1000 boost iirc

 

[SchroKatze]

Iirc, Ren could easily blitz restricted commanders with EFF (Except for Wolfie, but Wolfie is the "nah" button. Machina could intercept only one attack before getting blitzed.), but they could keep up with him later due to being at full power (Eleonore even mentions this.).

 

[ALRF]

Oh Rea route you mean?

Hadou Ren had actually problem with this. He was fighting three commander whom are made with hives of souls adding their own soul which weakened his Briah

 

[Tincan123]

I have a question how is Ren is gonne deal with:

Devil Shine (Absolutely immune to any enemy attacks, when using this ability

BFR (Can lock his enemies in Hell

Power Absorption (Able to absorb the abilities and powers of the enemy, threatening even the beings of divine origin.

Law Manipulation (Angels, Demons, Titans and other supernatural creations of God are immune to the normal laws of the physical universe), this last one iam not so sure if it will work

 

[EvilMegaCookie]

All those multipliers are only mentioned in Rea's route when he goes Finale. Edit: Marie did go three hundred times over Ren's speed in Yetzirah, but Eleonore could keep up (because combat experience go figure). When she accelerated damn hard, not even Machina could keep up. The only reason he got a hit in was that she froze in terror after landing a hit and failing to kill him in one blow.

 

[ALRF]

Can Devil Shine stop Marie curse?

Can he absorb Power that Ren was granted to by Mercurius alongside the fact he's getting juice from the Throne?

Except Ren's law is something that disregards the laws of reality and the physical universe itself. It's something different

Devil Shine seems like very NLF to me. What are its feats?

 

[ALRF]

@EMC

Yeah just checked through atwiki again

 

[Tincan123]

As for Devil Shine by my guess if it work or not.

Well i dont know what stops Devilmen form infinte power draining Ren because both have limitless stamina so again sorry be my guess XD.

So the most likeky the way for Devilman to win this is either by BFR or Transmutation with Fusionism . This is gonne by one tought fight tho.

 

[ALRF]

Point is, unless Devilman had shown feat of absorbing something on a 1-A scale, Ren power would still be untouched. Eine Faust Finale Ren has his power backed up by Throne

 

[Tincan123]

He has Devilman uta does that count as 1-A XD

 

[Schnee_One]

About that 3000 times thing... wasn't Machina still able to keep up with him from the start of activating his ability to the end? Even while fully trying to kill him?

While Machina did indeed react, that was 5B Machina reacting to Base Ren, who doesn't have said speed amp.

Machina's 5B Speed is>>>>>Ren when he isn't time slowing, combine that with the fact that Ren just activated his Briah so he Speed amp only just started working and Machina's great Precog and Massive Skill advantage, and it makes a bit more sense

 

[Tincan123]

Also Devilmam does have Instantaneous Teleportation and he has this

Memory Manipulation (Can casually erase people's memory), Mind Manipulation (Can see and hear people's thoughts), Precognition (Can anticipate danger in battle

Dunno if it helps in this fight just want to point it out

 

[Schnee_One]

Doesn't Ren resist Mind Hax from Reinhard?

 

[Hykuu]

" (Can see and hear people's thoughts) "

pretty sure this =/= mind rape, if that was what you were trying to do.

 

[Tincan123]

Doesn't Ren resist Mind Hax from Reinhard?

It isnt on his page but i would be suprised if he doesnt have it

 

[ALRF]

The spear? yeah, he could fight evenly with its presence and in Marie route, Reinhard knocks out Kei and her powers out with just the spear presence, meanwhile Ren could keep on fighting him

@Tincan this again depends on "Can Devilman do any of this fast enough before Ren just speedblitz him?"

 

[SchroKatze]

Btw, Ewigkeit mind resistance seems to block mind reading, as Trifa was unable to read Reinhard's mind

 

[Tincan123]

Btw ALRF you better be grateful took me some time to find his teleport stuff So he Teleports from Tokyo to Hokkaido literally halfway across the country

He are pages

http://m.*********.cc/manga/devilman/v04/c001.4/37.html

http://m.*********.cc/manga/devilman/v04/c001.4/38.html

http://m.*********.cc/manga/devilman/v04/c001.4/40.html

Dont ask me why or how just remember this serie is almost 50 years old

 

[Hykuu]

that could be a speed feat maybe?

 

[Frohe_Magnolia]

Btw, Ewigkeit mind resistance seems to block mind reading, as Trifa was unable to read Reinhard's mind

He read Schreiber's though

 

[ALRF]

Pretty sure that's a Reinhard thing only

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Tough match

 

[Tincan123]

This fight could go either way unless some finds the anwser for the win

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Incon. It's just who's gonna hit first battle again. And Devil Shine won't work here.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

It's not a blitz, not quite.

 

[Arekusuripa]

If Amon is leading this battle, then most likely it will be Inconclusive in the end.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

well the thing i see as an issue is that not only EFF can slow (but i guess resistence so moot) EFF is far faster than EFO in multiplier so it can likely something that will cause massive issues for amon. He can win as stated above but i'm not too sure (don't @ me) that it would be likely he gets it out before ren launches his strikes. And yes ren resists mind and soul pressure from spear so yeah

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Amon is going to be Low 2-C now.

 

[Schnee_One]

Yep

EXTERMINATUS

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Goddamit,Akira will get less variated match due of this bump.