Animator vs Animated(Teseo{Azure Striker Gunvolt} vs Porygon{Pokemon}) 0-0-1

[MysticBrawler]

Porygon-Z(Pokemon)

Teseo(Azure Striker Gunvolt)
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Distance: 100 meters
Speed equal
SBA for the rest

 

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[Fezzih_007]

don't porygon z have the AP advantage and thus can One-shot?
I see that Teseo have Info 2, but do you know how In-Characters is for him to use?

 

[MysticBrawler]

don't porygon z have the AP advantage and thus can One-shot?
I see that Teseo have Info 2, but do you know how In-Characters is for him to use?

Really? I thought the gap between "At least 7-A" and "High 7-A" wasn't that big.
His Information Manipulation(Type 2) is pretty much a part of his entire arsenal. The 3 ways he uses this are 1) Digitizing a space( This also instantly kills any living being that was inside said space), 2) Altering the terrain to his advantage(this seems to be only usable after he finishes digitizing a space), and 3) Creating a variety of summons.(This one can be done at any time)

 

[Fezzih_007]

His Information Manipulation(Type 2) is pretty much a part of his entire arsenal. The 3 ways he uses this are 1) Digitizing a space( This also instantly kills any living being that was inside said space), 2) Altering the terrain to his advantage(this seems to be only usable after he finishes digitizing a space), and 3) Creating a variety of summons.(This one can be done at any time)

Does he start with? Because that would be a pretty good wincon for him

 

[MysticBrawler]

Does he start with? Because that would be a pretty good wincon for him

Yeah he can, and usually does.

 

[Fezzih_007]

So, he start with Info 2 and kills porygon then.

Porygon could still win, but I prefer Teseo chances here;

 

[MysticBrawler]

So, he start with Info 2 and kills porygon then.

Porygon could still win, but I prefer Teseo chances here;

So should I count that as a vote or do you want to wait for some pokemon supporters to show up first?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Considering you have bump this thread for a almost a month, a pokémon supporter probally not gonna appear.

Yeah, count my vote

 

[Imaginym]

Really? I thought the gap between "At least 7-A" and "High 7-A" wasn't that big.
His Information Manipulation(Type 2) is pretty much a part of his entire arsenal. The 3 ways he uses this are 1) Digitizing a space( This also instantly kills any living being that was inside said space), 2) Altering the terrain to his advantage(this seems to be only usable after he finishes digitizing a space), and 3) Creating a variety of summons.(This one can be done at any time)

Does he start with? Because that would be a pretty good wincon for him

Can turn into Data

The feat the profile refers to (From Porygon):

Ruby/Sapphire	Porygon is capable of reverting itself entirely back to program data and entering cyberspace. This Pokémon is copy-protected so it cannot be duplicated by copying.

It also has Inorganic Physiology (Type 2). The IO page explains that as:

Types​

1. Living Beings: Inorganic beings that have a non-physical consciousness. For example, objects that were granted life via supernatural means.
2. Non-Living Beings: Robots, AI or other inorganic beings, that have no consciousness beyond what the physical functions of their bodies grants them. This type of character is typically immune to Soul Manipulation due to lacking a soul and is also unaffected by many common forms of Mind Manipulation, since they neither have an organic brain to be manipulated nor have a non-physical consciousness. Since these characters usually also don't have something like life force and aren't alive in the usual sense in the first place, they are furthermore unaffected by common forms of Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation.

It's also questionable how "alive" Porygon is, as, according to the Pokedex entry written by Dr. Laventon (On paper, & indeed by him for his own research, as P:LA takes place in an era seemingly analogous to the early 1900s.) says this:

Legends: Arceus	It has no discernible heartbeat and does not seem to draw breath, and yet it appears to function without issue. I cannot even begin to explain this utterly bizarre anomaly.

Mind, this match concerns not Porygon, nor Poryon's evolved form Porygon2, but its final evolutionary stage, Porygon-Z, so that MIGHT matter for some of these or other concerns?

Laventon says, regarding Porygon-2:

Legends: Arceus	A bizarre item caused this Pokémon to evolve. While it now exhibits many new gestures and expressions, its biology remains inscrutable.

Mind, thanks to other games' Pokedex entries, the line has many other entries. For example, this one for Porygon2:

Silver	Further research enhanced its abilities. Sometimes, it may exhibit motions that were not programmed.

But most of them do not concern its physiology, biology, nor self-datafying/digitzation capabilities, so they don't seem pertinent at this time, IMHO.

Laventon says about Porygon-Z:

Legends: Arceus	A curious item induced this evolution. The Pokémon's offensive capabilities have greatly increased, but the strangeness of its behavior has magnified in equal measure. This worries me.

& other sort of relevant entries for it:

Moon	Its program was modified to facilitate extra-dimensional activities, but that led to noticeably strange behavior.

Sword	Porygon-Z had a program installed to allow it to move between dimensions, but the program also caused instability in Porygon-Z's behavior.

Scarlet	An additional program was installed to create a more advanced Pokémon, but it was apparently flawed. Porygon-Z moves oddly as a result.
Violet	Its programming was modified to enable it to operate in other dimensions. This did not work as planned.

On the matter of if it's alive or not, there's also the arguable Game Mechanics behind the fact that it learns Recover, which has had the following description(s):

BWB2W2 XYORAS SMUSUMPE SwShBDSP	Restoring its own cells, the user restores its own HP by half of its max HP.
LA	The user regenerates its cells to restore its own HP.
SV	The user regenerates its cells, restoring its own HP by up to half its max HP.

This implies the user has cells. It's given to a lot of Pokemon, so it's questionable if this always means they have cells or if it's just game mechanics because the devs wanted to give them what is often considered the best healing move in the game.


So, is this any helpful &/or appreciable for these matters?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Considering you have bump this thread for a almost a month, a pokémon supporter probally not gonna appear.

Yeah, count my vote

Counted, and thanks for joining in.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Can turn into Data

The feat the profile refers to (From Porygon):

Ruby/Sapphire	Porygon is capable of reverting itself entirely back to program data and entering cyberspace. This Pokémon is copy-protected so it cannot be duplicated by copying.

It also has Inorganic Physiology (Type 2). The IO page explains that as:

Types​

1. Living Beings: Inorganic beings that have a non-physical consciousness. For example, objects that were granted life via supernatural means.
2. Non-Living Beings: Robots, AI or other inorganic beings, that have no consciousness beyond what the physical functions of their bodies grants them. This type of character is typically immune to Soul Manipulation due to lacking a soul and is also unaffected by many common forms of Mind Manipulation, since they neither have an organic brain to be manipulated nor have a non-physical consciousness. Since these characters usually also don't have something like life force and aren't alive in the usual sense in the first place, they are furthermore unaffected by common forms of Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation.

It's also questionable how "alive" Porygon is, as, according to the Pokedex entry written by Dr. Laventon (On paper, & indeed by him for his own research, as P:LA takes place in an era seemingly analogous to the early 1900s.) says this:

Legends: Arceus	It has no discernible heartbeat and does not seem to draw breath, and yet it appears to function without issue. I cannot even begin to explain this utterly bizarre anomaly.

Mind, this match concerns not Porygon, nor Poryon's evolved form Porygon2, but its final evolutionary stage, Porygon-Z, so that MIGHT matter for some of these or other concerns?

Laventon says, regarding Porygon-2:

Legends: Arceus	A bizarre item caused this Pokémon to evolve. While it now exhibits many new gestures and expressions, its biology remains inscrutable.

Mind, thanks to other games' Pokedex entries, the line has many other entries. For example, this one for Porygon2:

Silver	Further research enhanced its abilities. Sometimes, it may exhibit motions that were not programmed.

But most of them do not concern its physiology, biology, nor self-datafying/digitzation capabilities, so they don't seem pertinent at this time, IMHO.

Laventon says about Porygon-Z:

Legends: Arceus	A curious item induced this evolution. The Pokémon's offensive capabilities have greatly increased, but the strangeness of its behavior has magnified in equal measure. This worries me.

& other sort of relevant entries for it:

Moon	Its program was modified to facilitate extra-dimensional activities, but that led to noticeably strange behavior.

Sword	Porygon-Z had a program installed to allow it to move between dimensions, but the program also caused instability in Porygon-Z's behavior.

Scarlet	An additional program was installed to create a more advanced Pokémon, but it was apparently flawed. Porygon-Z moves oddly as a result.
Violet	Its programming was modified to enable it to operate in other dimensions. This did not work as planned.

On the matter of if it's alive or not, there's also the arguable Game Mechanics behind the fact that it learns Recover, which has had the following description(s):

BWB2W2 XYORAS SMUSUMPE SwShBDSP	Restoring its own cells, the user restores its own HP by half of its max HP.
LA	The user regenerates its cells to restore its own HP.
SV	The user regenerates its cells, restoring its own HP by up to half its max HP.

This implies the user has cells. It's given to a lot of Pokemon, so it's questionable if this always means they have cells or if it's just game mechanics because the devs wanted to give them what is often considered the best healing move in the game.


So, is this any helpful &/or appreciable for these matters?

So does this mean Teseo can use his Hacking against Poryygon-Z?

 

[Imaginym]

So does this mean Teseo can use his Hacking against Poryygon-Z?

Oh, fun. So he starts with an AoE instakill against non-data, & can hack data things that survive that?

Spoiler: Porygon version history analysis

Probably relevant entry I forgot (Porygon):

Y	A Pokémon that consists entirely of programming code. It is capable of moving freely in cyberspace.

Assuming the same as what's true for Porygon is true for Porygon-Z, it'd suggest that.
Though it makes it unclear, in combination with its ability to "revert to code", if it defaults to being program data/code or not? Though the entry says "reverting itself entirely back to program data and entering cyberspace."

The main obstacles to hacking are probably:
Well, to start with, this entry:

Shield	In recent years, this species has been very helpful in cyberspace. These Pokémon will go around checking to make sure no suspicious data exists.

Porygon do actively seek out "suspicious data". That'd probably include hacking tools, & SBA has our participants not exactly friendly.

1. That Porygon is copy-protected, preventing it being copied.
2. Porygon being made from technology that was state of the art at the time, which Sun & Moon note was 20 years ago. So it could be in a coding language Teseo doesn't know (In part because Pokemon is a different setting.) in addition to being well made, or it could be in a language he does know, but not this outdated version, hindering his attempts.

But we're dealing with Porygon-Z, not Porygon, so let's see what's in-between as we check how the differences may progress.

Porygon2:

Gold	This upgraded version of Porygon is designed for space exploration. It can't fly, though.
Silver	Further research enhanced its abilities. Sometimes, it may exhibit motions that were not programmed.

Sun	For the purposes of planetary development, Porygon was updated with the most cutting-edge technology available.
Moon	Porygon was updated to a new version in readiness for planetary development. But that dream remains unrealized as yet.

Ultra Sun	AI has been installed in it. It learns various things all on its own, but it even remembers things it doesn't need to know.

Sword	This is a Porygon that was updated with special data. Porygon2 develops itself by learning about many different subjects all on its own.
Shield	After artificial intelligence was implemented in Porygon2, the Pokémon began using a strange language that only other Porygon2 understand.

Scarlet	This artificial Pokémon evolved thanks to cutting- edge science. It sometimes displays behavior that is not in its programming.

So Porygon2 is an upgraded version, updated with "the most cutting-edge technology available." Though, keep in mind, it's unclear when the update tech is from, as Sun is the same version that clarifies Porygon was made with 20-year-old technology. G/S/C takes place only about 3 years after RBY, so it might be 17 year old tech, assuming it isn't cutting-edge as of the era of S/M or so.


Porygon2 is also capable of independent learning, has AI, was made with planetary development in mind & is capable of working in space. (The original Porygon was made to explore space.)
Porygon2 sometimes exhibits motions/behaviour that weren't programmed, learns "various things on its own" & "even remembers things it doesn't need to know.".
Not to mention after its AI implementation, it "began using a strange language that only other Porygon2 understand".

& finally, Porygon-Z, the current version:

X	Additional software was installed to make it a better Pokémon. It began acting oddly, however.
Y	Its programming was modified to enable it to travel through alien dimensions. Seems there might have been an error...

Sun	In order to create a more advanced Pokémon, an additional program was installed, but apparently it contained a defect that makes it move oddly.
Moon	Its program was modified to facilitate extra-dimensional activities, but that led to noticeably strange behavior.

Ultra Sun	Its behavior is noticeably unstable, which is apparently due to the incompetence of the engineer who updated its programming.
Ultra Moon	A faulty update was added to its programming. Its behavior is noticeably strange, so the experiment may have been a failure.

Sword	Porygon-Z had a program installed to allow it to move between dimensions, but the program also caused instability in Porygon-Z's behavior.
Shield	Some say an additional program made this Pokémon evolve, but even academics can't agree on whether Porygon-Z is really an evolution.

Scarlet	An additional program was installed to create a more advanced Pokémon, but it was apparently flawed. Porygon-Z moves oddly as a result.

Violet	Its programming was modified to enable it to operate in other dimensions. This did not work as planned.

Apparently designed to travel through alien dimensions. It got an additional program/modification. Supposedly, the program was flawed Porygon-Z exhibits "odd behaviour", "noitceably unstable" behaviour, "noticeably strange behaviour". Ultra Sun says that it "is apparently due to the incompetence of the engineer who updated its programming.". Academics can't agree on whether Porygon-Z is really an evolution.

So overall, it's 20 year old or more (Assuming contemporary-to-IRL-year, Porygon was made in like, 1996.) state of the art tech that was designed for space exploration, then updated with cutting-edge technology years later for planetary development, learns various things on its own & remembers even unnecessary things & developed its own species-exclusive language with its AI, exhibits unplanned behaviours, & then it's been further updated for extra-dimensional activities/exploration of alien dimensions, albeit, with a program that caused instability/an error/noticeable stragness/oddness, in its behaviour, apparently due to an incompetent engineer being the one who updated the programming.

Not to mention Porygon is copy-protected & normally goes around checking to make sure no suspicious date exists.

How feasible is that for Teseo to hack before Porygon-Z stops him?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Oh, fun. So he starts with an AoE instakill against non-data, & can hack data things that survive that?

Spoiler: Porygon version history analysis

Probably relevant entry I forgot (Porygon):

Y	A Pokémon that consists entirely of programming code. It is capable of moving freely in cyberspace.

Assuming the same as what's true for Porygon is true for Porygon-Z, it'd suggest that.
Though it makes it unclear, in combination with its ability to "revert to code", if it defaults to being program data/code or not? Though the entry says "reverting itself entirely back to program data and entering cyberspace."

The main obstacles to hacking are probably:
Well, to start with, this entry:

Shield	In recent years, this species has been very helpful in cyberspace. These Pokémon will go around checking to make sure no suspicious data exists.

Porygon do actively seek out "suspicious data". That'd probably include hacking tools, & SBA has our participants not exactly friendly.

1. That Porygon is copy-protected, preventing it being copied.
2. Porygon being made from technology that was state of the art at the time, which Sun & Moon note was 20 years ago. So it could be in a coding language Teseo doesn't know (In part because Pokemon is a different setting.) in addition to being well made, or it could be in a language he does know, but not this outdated version, hindering his attempts.

But we're dealing with Porygon-Z, not Porygon, so let's see what's in-between as we check how the differences may progress.

Porygon2:

Gold	This upgraded version of Porygon is designed for space exploration. It can't fly, though.
Silver	Further research enhanced its abilities. Sometimes, it may exhibit motions that were not programmed.

Sun	For the purposes of planetary development, Porygon was updated with the most cutting-edge technology available.
Moon	Porygon was updated to a new version in readiness for planetary development. But that dream remains unrealized as yet.

Ultra Sun	AI has been installed in it. It learns various things all on its own, but it even remembers things it doesn't need to know.

Sword	This is a Porygon that was updated with special data. Porygon2 develops itself by learning about many different subjects all on its own.
Shield	After artificial intelligence was implemented in Porygon2, the Pokémon began using a strange language that only other Porygon2 understand.

Scarlet	This artificial Pokémon evolved thanks to cutting- edge science. It sometimes displays behavior that is not in its programming.

So Porygon2 is an upgraded version, updated with "the most cutting-edge technology available." Though, keep in mind, it's unclear when the update tech is from, as Sun is the same version that clarifies Porygon was made with 20-year-old technology. G/S/C takes place only about 3 years after RBY, so it might be 17 year old tech, assuming it isn't cutting-edge as of the era of S/M or so.


Porygon2 is also capable of independent learning, has AI, was made with planetary development in mind & is capable of working in space. (The original Porygon was made to explore space.)
Porygon2 sometimes exhibits motions/behaviour that weren't programmed, learns "various things on its own" & "even remembers things it doesn't need to know.".
Not to mention after its AI implementation, it "began using a strange language that only other Porygon2 understand".

& finally, Porygon-Z, the current version:

X	Additional software was installed to make it a better Pokémon. It began acting oddly, however.
Y	Its programming was modified to enable it to travel through alien dimensions. Seems there might have been an error...

Sun	In order to create a more advanced Pokémon, an additional program was installed, but apparently it contained a defect that makes it move oddly.
Moon	Its program was modified to facilitate extra-dimensional activities, but that led to noticeably strange behavior.

Ultra Sun	Its behavior is noticeably unstable, which is apparently due to the incompetence of the engineer who updated its programming.
Ultra Moon	A faulty update was added to its programming. Its behavior is noticeably strange, so the experiment may have been a failure.

Sword	Porygon-Z had a program installed to allow it to move between dimensions, but the program also caused instability in Porygon-Z's behavior.
Shield	Some say an additional program made this Pokémon evolve, but even academics can't agree on whether Porygon-Z is really an evolution.

Scarlet	An additional program was installed to create a more advanced Pokémon, but it was apparently flawed. Porygon-Z moves oddly as a result.

Violet	Its programming was modified to enable it to operate in other dimensions. This did not work as planned.

Apparently designed to travel through alien dimensions. It got an additional program/modification. Supposedly, the program was flawed Porygon-Z exhibits "odd behaviour", "noitceably unstable" behaviour, "noticeably strange behaviour". Ultra Sun says that it "is apparently due to the incompetence of the engineer who updated its programming.". Academics can't agree on whether Porygon-Z is really an evolution.

So overall, it's 20 year old or more (Assuming contemporary-to-IRL-year, Porygon was made in like, 1996.) state of the art tech that was designed for space exploration, then updated with cutting-edge technology years later for planetary development, learns various things on its own & remembers even unnecessary things & developed its own species-exclusive language with its AI, exhibits unplanned behaviours, & then it's been further updated for extra-dimensional activities/exploration of alien dimensions, albeit, with a program that caused instability/an error/noticeable stragness/oddness, in its behaviour, apparently due to an incompetent engineer being the one who updated the programming.

Not to mention Porygon is copy-protected & normally goes around checking to make sure no suspicious date exists.

How feasible is that for Teseo to hack before Porygon-Z stops him?

Well first of all, while Teseo's Hacking was shown in the story it was never directly used against Gunvolt in any of his fights, so this will probably be a last resort for him. With that said, his Hacking is apparently layered 4D, so I think it's safe to say that Porygon-Z won't be able to defend against it. It's also possible that what you said about iPorygon-Z's programming being outdated really would hinder Teseo from being able to interact with it, though that seems pretty unlikely .

 

[Imaginym]

Well first of all, while Teseo's Hacking was shown in the story it was never directly used against Gunvolt in any of his fights, so this will probably be a last resort for him. With that said, his Hacking is apparently layered 4D, so I think it's safe to say that Porygon-Z won't be able to defend against it.

Noted.

It's also possible that what you said about iPorygon-Z's programming being outdated really would hinder Teseo from being able to interact with it, though that seems pretty unlikely .

Porygon's programming is outdated.

Porygon2 is from Gen 2, which is around 3 years after Gen 1, when Porygon was discovered, & an update.
Porygon-Z is from Gen 4 (I forget where on the timeline that is.) but is presumably later since it's made with some kind of dubious quality programming effort intended to upgrade Porygon2 to be able to explore other dimensions.

Porygon-Z's less out-of-date if at all, though unsure by how much compared to S/M, let alone the present. May have to check a timeline article some time in the future.

Anyway, you're saying the code being an old version would be a hindrance more likely than it being from a different setting & thus possibly being in a programming language different than what he's used?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Anyway, you're saying the code being an old version would be a hindrance more likely than it being from a different setting & thus possibly being in a programming language different than what he's used?

Yeah pretty much. Cause from what you said, it seems like the computer technology of the Pokemon verse is relative to that of the real world, so I don't think the there would be any significant deviation in the programming language.

 

[Imaginym]

Yeah pretty much. Cause from what you said, it seems like the computer technology of the Pokemon verse is relative to that of the real world, so I don't think the there would be any significant deviation in the programming language.

Eh, there's some differences.

Like, they developed teleporters, & IIRC, Bill operated 1 of the first with a computer; He asks the protagonist in R/B/Y to operate the controls after a malfunction with his.

The PC System is based on storing Pokemon that are in Poke Balls using computer systems, allowing remote transport of them. So their computers can digitize & teleport life.

In G/S/C, Bill debuted a time machine he invented.

Poke Balls, according to their descriptions, are meant to provide a comfortable environment for the Pokemon.

Speaking of, most games are parallel universes, with met locations having descriptions like "travelled across time and space to meet the player character" for Pokemon that were transferred forward from older versions.
Pokemon Legends Arceus, despite being set in a 1900s-like time, is capable of having Pokemon transferred to the modern games like Scarlet & Violet, although I forget if there's a non-game-mechanics explanation for P:LA's shenanigans.

The Holo-Caster from X/Y is handheld holographic technology for watching news stuff.

Rotom Phones, present since Sun & Moon, are more recent smart phone inventions designed for housing Rotom (A species of Pokemon.) so that the Rotom can augment the phone's features.

I'm also not sure if we've been looking into sending things into OTHER dimensions. Space, yes. Planetary development, AKA terraforming? Kind of. But IDK of any notable IRL endeavours to explore alternate dimensions.

On that topic, it's not computer technology strictly, but in OR/AS, their initial response to the meteor was to develop a "Link Cable", which would send the meteor to another universe.


For all their parallels to reality, the Pokemon world's humanity's technology level is more sci-fi than might be thought.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Eh, there's some differences.

Like, they developed teleporters, & IIRC, Bill operated 1 of the first with a computer; He asks the protagonist in R/B/Y to operate the controls after a malfunction with his.

The PC System is based on storing Pokemon that are in Poke Balls using computer systems, allowing remote transport of them. So their computers can digitize & teleport life.

In G/S/C, Bill debuted a time machine he invented.

Poke Balls, according to their descriptions, are meant to provide a comfortable environment for the Pokemon.

Speaking of, most games are parallel universes, with met locations having descriptions like "travelled across time and space to meet the player character" for Pokemon that were transferred forward from older versions.
Pokemon Legends Arceus, despite being set in a 1900s-like time, is capable of having Pokemon transferred to the modern games like Scarlet & Violet, although I forget if there's a non-game-mechanics explanation for P:LA's shenanigans.

The Holo-Caster from X/Y is handheld holographic technology for watching news stuff.

Rotom Phones, present since Sun & Moon, are more recent smart phone inventions designed for housing Rotom (A species of Pokemon.) so that the Rotom can augment the phone's features.

I'm also not sure if we've been looking into sending things into OTHER dimensions. Space, yes. Planetary development, AKA terraforming? Kind of. But IDK of any notable IRL endeavours to explore alternate dimensions.

On that topic, it's not computer technology strictly, but in OR/AS, their initial response to the meteor was to develop a "Link Cable", which would send the meteor to another universe.


For all their parallels to reality, the Pokemon world's humanity's technology level is more sci-fi than might be thought.

Oh really? I haven't played the 1'st generation games, so I didn't know that.

Wait, the PC System is considered canon? Cause that seems like it should fall under game-mechanics.

Are you talking about the Time Capsule? Cause I thought that was also just game-mechanics.

Didn't the Legends: Arceus game show that pokeballs were craftable even during the far past?

I don't think that's usable then.

Ok, but I don't see how that indicates a different kind of coding.

Since the Rotoms are augmenting the phones I'm not sure if that can really be counted as advanced technology.

Ok.

Hmm, interesting.

Overall while all of these are impressive, none of this really indicate there being any significant difference in the software that they use.

 

[Imaginym]

Oh really? I haven't played the 1'st generation games, so I didn't know that.

Wait, the PC System is considered canon? Cause that seems like it should fall under game-mechanics.

The PC system was developed by Bill originally. He also appears in Gen 2, as well as the remakes of Gen 1 & 2.
In Gen 3, someone named Lanette worked on it. I don't remember the exact history.
Can't remember if it differed for later gens, but there is some lore to it.

Are you talking about the Time Capsule? Cause I thought that was also just game-mechanics.

Bill created it, he has some dialogue & cutscenes about it -Including meeting the player character in a Pokemon Center- & met locations stating Pokemon have traveled across time & space to meet their trainer (That being whichever player character corresponds to the game you're viewing their summary in, as you generally can't view the summary of a Pokemon you don't own.) affirm that Pokemon transfers can involve time travel.

Didn't the Legends: Arceus game show that pokeballs were craftable even during the far past?

Yes, & Kurt's dialogue in the Johto games affirms that Poke Ball technology was developed hundreds of years ago, using Apricorn Shells.
P:LA also has a variety of specialized Poke Balls that can be crafted, so even if they are apparently a recent invention at the time, they've apparently had time to be honed.
& the PC proper wasn't present in P:LA, now that I've checked. It was apparently Pastures in that. Nonetheless, a century or so is plenty enough time to adapt new technologies.

I don't think that's usable then.

Unfortunately for you, I'm pretty sure it's already accepted, as it's part of the already accepted canon establishing Pokemon's multiverse, as there's evidence of each game being a different universe/timeline.
As in, each physical cartridge. Not simply every entry in the franchise.

See here:

2-A Pokemon Cosmology Blog

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ok, but I don't see how that indicates a different kind of coding.

I brought it up because you said:

Yeah pretty much. Cause from what you said, it seems like the computer technology of the Pokemon verse is relative to that of the real world, so I don't think the there would be any significant deviation in the programming language.

But IRL, there isn't stuff that lets us convert beings to data or transfer mass -Be that a sophisticated piece of technology or a simple machine, whichever a Poke Ball may be- across vast distances.
Maybe they have better use of our IRL coding languages than we do, but its still drastically different capability than IRL.

Since the Rotoms are augmenting the phones I'm not sure if that can really be counted as advanced technology.

Perhaps not, though I'd assume there may be requirements for acclimating the Rotom's presence, making sure it functions stably, etc.
A Rotom is a being made of living plasma which ordinarily take control of machines. I'm not sure how readily most machines would handle that. Many IRL machines might short circuit or fry under a sudden large influx of electricity.
But I suppose that's more a matter of hardware than coding, if anything.

Overall while all of these are impressive, none of this really indicate there being any significant difference in the software that they use.

I'd say if we're comparing Pokemon world to IRL, there likely is significant difference in software, based on the capabilities alone.

Also, for what its worth, it's often noted that in-game, & in the anime, the Pokemon world seems to have its own writing systems, which vary by regions:

PokéLatin (Galar/Paldea/Kalos) Alphabet Guide

Want to know more about the unique alphabet script seen in the recent Pokémon games? This page has all the answers you were looking for!

www.pokemonaaah.net

It may or may not mean a different programming language, but when they don't have the same alphabets/syllabaries as us as well, I'd suspect they probably don't have the same programming languages either.

 

[MysticBrawler]

The PC system was developed by Bill originally. He also appears in Gen 2, as well as the remakes of Gen 1 & 2.
In Gen 3, someone named Lanette worked on it. I don't remember the exact history.
Can't remember if it differed for later gens, but there is some lore to it.

Bill created it, he has some dialogue & cutscenes about it -Including meeting the player character in a Pokemon Center- & met locations stating Pokemon have traveled across time & space to meet their trainer (That being whichever player character corresponds to the game you're viewing their summary in, as you generally can't view the summary of a Pokemon you don't own.) affirm that Pokemon transfers can involve time travel.

Yes, & Kurt's dialogue in the Johto games affirms that Poke Ball technology was developed hundreds of years ago, using Apricorn Shells.
P:LA also has a variety of specialized Poke Balls that can be crafted, so even if they are apparently a recent invention at the time, they've apparently had time to be honed.
& the PC proper wasn't present in P:LA, now that I've checked. It was apparently Pastures in that. Nonetheless, a century or so is plenty enough time to adapt new technologies.

Unfortunately for you, I'm pretty sure it's already accepted, as it's part of the already accepted canon establishing Pokemon's multiverse, as there's evidence of each game being a different universe/timeline.
As in, each physical cartridge. Not simply every entry in the franchise.

See here:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...artridge_Is_Canonically_a_Universe_In_Pokemon

I brought it up because you said:

But IRL, there isn't stuff that lets us convert beings to data or transfer mass -Be that a sophisticated piece of technology or a simple machine, whichever a Poke Ball may be- across vast distances.
Maybe they have better use of our IRL coding languages than we do, but its still drastically different capability than IRL.

Perhaps not, though I'd assume there may be requirements for acclimating the Rotom's presence, making sure it functions stably, etc.
A Rotom is a being made of living plasma which ordinarily take control of machines. I'm not sure how readily most machines would handle that. Many IRL machines might short circuit or fry under a sudden large influx of electricity.
But I suppose that's more a matter of hardware than coding, if anything.

I'd say if we're comparing Pokemon world to IRL, there likely is significant difference in software, based on the capabilities alone.

Also, for what its worth, it's often noted that in-game, & in the anime, the Pokemon world seems to have its own writing systems, which vary by regions:

PokéLatin (Galar/Paldea/Kalos) Alphabet Guide

Want to know more about the unique alphabet script seen in the recent Pokémon games? This page has all the answers you were looking for!

www.pokemonaaah.net

It may or may not mean a different programming language, but when they don't have the same alphabets/syllabaries as us as well, I'd suspect they probably don't have the same programming languages either.

Are you sure that's not just an easter egg?

Ok, fair enough

No , but it does show that it has less to do with technology, and more to do with a pokemon's physiology.

What I meant was it's not usable for proving that there is any significant deviation in the software that the Pokemon verse uses.

Ok, fair enough.

Hmm, I checked to see if Sinnoh also it's own alphabet and apparently it does. Though I was wondering: Wouldn't Reality Equalization make it so that Teseo would be able to understand the Pokemon verse's language and thus be able to use his Hacking anyway?

 

[Imaginym]

Are you sure that's not just an easter egg?

Considering he lives in Goldenrod, as that's revealed to be where his family & home is, can give the player a Pokemon, & has a dedicated cutscene involving the Time Capsule? I would not call it an Easter Egg.

Ok, fair enough

No , but it does show that it has less to do with technology, and more to do with a pokemon's physiology.

Not sure which parts of my message you're replying to here. I wish you'd use post-quoting & separating at times like this. Helps disambiguate.
If you mean the apricorns, modern day Poke Balls still interact with PCs by being digitally transferred & are unlikely to be made from Apricorns. Kurt is an old-school, specialized crafter. Modern games have factories to make them. Silph is a manufacturer of Poke Balls, & Kalos has its own factory to visit, for example.

What I meant was it's not usable for proving that there is any significant deviation in the software that the Pokemon verse uses.

Ok, fair enough.

Again, unsure what you're referring to.

Hmm, I checked to see if Sinnoh also it's own alphabet and apparently it does. Though I was wondering: Wouldn't Reality Equalization make it so that Teseo would be able to understand the Pokemon verse's language and thus be able to use his Hacking anyway?

Reality Equalization

Reality Equalization refers to the practice of treating characters from lower (or more rarely, higher) planes of existence as being on the same level of existence as most characters featured in Tiers 10 to 3. This is usually done in order to allow characters who exist in virtual worlds to fight...

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Reality Equalization refers to the practice of treating characters from lower (or more rarely, higher) planes of existence as being on the same level of existence as most characters featured in Tiers 10 to 3. This is usually done in order to allow characters who exist in virtual worlds to fight normal, "real" characters.

Doesn't seem relevant.

Standard Battle Assumptions

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SBA mentions nothing about languages. & why would it? If there were a match featuring like, a Dungeons & Dragons Elvish Wizard who casts with verbal components spoken in Elvish language, why would we give their opponent the benefit of understanding that foreign language?

OPs can specify prior knowledge, & in theory that could extend to languages foreign to a participant, but that isn't specified in this matchup, & I'm not sure it'd make it much more "fair" in this matchup for Teseo to get free Automatic Translation of Pokemon world's writing or coding language, especially considering he already has an AoE instakill of organics & 4D hacking for non-organics.

It makes his ability more feasible to use, but especially if he's using Hacking on a 4D level &/or sufficiently smart (I haven't checked his intelligence section.), he may be able to overcome that hurdle with time anyway.
& matches often proceed with abilities proving unviable against an opponent anyway. Resistances & incompatabilities are a thing.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Considering he lives in Goldenrod, as that's revealed to be where his family & home is, can give the player a Pokemon, & has a dedicated cutscene involving the Time Capsule? I would not call it an Easter Egg.

Not sure which parts of my message you're replying to here. I wish you'd use post-quoting & separating at times like this. Helps disambiguate.
If you mean the apricorns, modern day Poke Balls still interact with PCs by being digitally transferred & are unlikely to be made from Apricorns. Kurt is an old-school, specialized crafter. Modern games have factories to make them. Silph is a manufacturer of Poke Balls, & Kalos has its own factory to visit, for example.

Again, unsure what you're referring to.

Reality Equalization

Reality Equalization refers to the practice of treating characters from lower (or more rarely, higher) planes of existence as being on the same level of existence as most characters featured in Tiers 10 to 3. This is usually done in order to allow characters who exist in virtual worlds to fight...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Reality Equalization refers to the practice of treating characters from lower (or more rarely, higher) planes of existence as being on the same level of existence as most characters featured in Tiers 10 to 3. This is usually done in order to allow characters who exist in virtual worlds to fight normal, "real" characters.

Doesn't seem relevant.

Standard Battle Assumptions

The following are the assumptions to be made for battles in versus threads, if no alternative assumptions are specified by the thread creator. Assumptions alternative to these ones can be freely used, are equally legitimate, and threads using different assumptions can be added to profiles just...

vsbattles.fandom.com

SBA mentions nothing about languages. & why would it? If there were a match featuring like, a Dungeons & Dragons Elvish Wizard who casts with verbal components spoken in Elvish language, why would we give their opponent the benefit of understanding that foreign language?

OPs can specify prior knowledge, & in theory that could extend to languages foreign to a participant, but that isn't specified in this matchup, & I'm not sure it'd make it much more "fair" in this matchup for Teseo to get free Automatic Translation of Pokemon world's writing or coding language, especially considering he already has an AoE instakill of organics & 4D hacking for non-organics.

It makes his ability more feasible to use, but especially if he's using Hacking on a 4D level &/or sufficiently smart (I haven't checked his intelligence section.), he may be able to overcome that hurdle with time anyway.
& matches often proceed with abilities proving unviable against an opponent anyway. Resistances & incompatabilities are a thing.

Ok, fair enough.

My replies all have the same positioning as yours(i.e. 1 space apart). These two are 2 separate responses. The first one "Ok, fair enough" is response to "Bill created it, he has some dialogue & cutscenes about it -Including meeting the player character in a Pokemon Center- & met locations stating Pokemon have traveled across time & space to meet their trainer (That being whichever player character corresponds to the game you're viewing their summary in, as you generally can't view the summary of a Pokemon you don't own.) affirm that Pokemon transfers can involve time travel.".
While the second one "No , but it does show that it has less to do with technology, and more to do with a pokemon's physiology." is in response to "Yes, & Kurt's dialogue in the Johto games affirms that Poke Ball technology was developed hundreds of years ago, using Apricorn Shells. P:LA also has a variety of specialized Poke Balls that can be crafted, so even if they are apparently a recent invention at the time, they've apparently had time to be honed. & the PC proper wasn't present in P:LA, now that I've checked. It was apparently Pastures in that. Nonetheless, a century or so is plenty enough time to adapt new technologies."

This one is also 2 separate responses. The first one "What I meant was it's not usable for proving that there is any significant deviation in the software that the Pokemon verse uses." is in response to "Unfortunately for you, I'm pretty sure it's already accepted, as it's part of the already accepted canon establishing Pokemon's multiverse, as there's evidence of each game being a different universe/timeline.As in, each physical cartridge. Not simply every entry in the franchise."
While the second one "Ok, fair enough." is in response to "But IRL, there isn't stuff that lets us convert beings to data or transfer mass -Be that a sophisticated piece of technology or a simple machine, whichever a Poke Ball may be- across vast distances.
Maybe they have better use of our IRL coding languages than we do, but its still drastically different capability than IRL."

Well Teseo is a Genius so he might be able to figure it out. Although I think only a small portion of Genius characters have the feats/statements needed to say that they could learn/decipher a new language in just a few minutes(hours, and ITeseo most likely isn't one of them.